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As requested by WoodquayBoy here
Thanks Dodge, just to gauge the opinion and all that
It looks like I may be all alone as I have voted for TC to stay as long as we stay up .
So did I and it says I'm the only one too!
It's a fix! :)
Edit: I've just seen it's updated. Should be interesting this.
Not a GU fan obviously but I do keep a fairly close eye on things and I voted no. I think with the support he received in the transfer window last year he should have done better than 3rd, and with the backing he has got this year should have GU far higher up the table than he has. Some of his selections seem pretty bonkers, a few of the signings were awful, and only for Longford's points deduction GU would be in real trouble.
There has been decent signings and performances at times, but it always seems to be a case of 'jam tomorrow', i.e. things will get much better once X happens. But there's always another X.
I'd say Nick (Leeson) is 100% behind Tony. When Stephen Lally resigned in Athlone, Nick invested a huge amount of time in trying to get him to change his mind. Most Galwegians accepted that Lal did the right thing. He was a brilliant servant as a player, but plainly didn't have the confidence of the players as a manager. Nick seemed to want continuity. I'm sure he had his reasons. He has been brilliant for us since he became our General Manager / CEO. So I'll back him and his manager.
I'd love to know who the 5 people (so far) who have voted for Tony to go see as replacing him and what level of improvement they see their new dream candidate (s) bringing to our club?
How many people with UEFA Premium coaching qualifications will relish the prospect of coming to Galway?
30 years of senior soccer in Galway should show us that a manager has a relatively short shelf life anyway for any number of reasons. But show me the evidence that changing the manager has brought ANY improvement on the park before you queue up to sign the manager's P45.
The bald facts are that we have won one FAI Cup under a manager who had a very short stay and whose team broke up in disarray shortly afterwards. That's the only honour worth mentioning. We have had some very honourable managers who hadn't the resources / players / personality to bring us consistent success. Please give me the names of those who will.
Anybody???????????????
That's one of the main reasons of not getting rid of Tony in my view. That and the fact that I don't think he's done particularly badly in his first full season as a manager.
If we get rid of him we have to find someone to replace him who will do a better job.
The only person who is available in my view is Pat Dolan. Alan Matthews was talked of before as a potential manager but he is unwilling to give up his job in Dublin so is only working as a part-time manager.
Supporters are entitled to post their opinions, but I think that
putting up a poll asking whether we should we fire our manager
before the season is over is over the top.
Mid-November would be more appropriate.
my feelings exactly Pa but the post slating him and the players have also gone totally over the top as well.Its very interesting to see the amount of posts after a bad result as opposed to a good one. My Town has hit the nail on the head about sacking a manager without having a plan B.
We have 4 games left and having polls on our manager on both forums is crazy. We should all be working together and trying to get as many fans as possible to travel to the last 2 away games which if we win both could see us finish well up the table.
would be hard to give you names of every manager from england,ireland,scotland,wales and bits and bobs from europe now wouldnt it!. Cook has turned out to be good for sligo which is a much more un-attractive place to live and are no means a big club.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyTown
it doesnt matter about what happened 10/15/20 yrs ago, that was a differant galway united playing in a much differant Terryland park
we are now a full-time club with one of the best stadiums in the country, we have what can only be described as the best financial position to be promoted divisions with....
but we have an inept manager who has played a full-season without a left-back and right-winger but has bought 6+ center midfielders!
it seems to me that all the YES voters are the older fans, they dont see as clearly as the younger crowd(they seem to look at the past more to judge us as a whole) the progress and ambition the club has made off the field and think we should be happy with 2nd best standards(1 FAI cup which longford might even just win this year alone). i would accept us with teams gone by had the club stayed the same off-the-field but the strides made have been massive and we are pulling in 3,000 for bottom of the table clashes,
Tony has only set under Doolin and from scouring the boards even Drogs fans dont rate him too highly(regardless of their position)
IMO we're now a big club with a low-end manager, who even set low standards for the year.
can any of the older fans really see TC taking us to the top??...... when he sends him team out to hit long-balls for small strikers to challenge for??.....thats what you do when you have NO other option ''hit it long'' not when you have space to run into etc....
ask yourselves this..... ''could it be any more worse under a new manager??'' IMO it couldnt get any worse, theres only the possibility of improvement!
You don't throw the captain of the liner overboard with an iceberg on the
horizon.
not able to speak for the rest of the lads, so dont know there views, but in no way at all am i saying he should go with 4 games left, novemeber is now the earliest time IMO
i was just offering my opinions on the matter now since everyone else is.
Well said Pa, this poll should have never been put up at this stage of the season !!!!!!
Can see why people feel it's inapporopriate to put up a poll at this stage.
However i'll be voting the same way regardless of our final position.
Mea Culpa Pa, I asked for the poll as I wanted to see the feeling out there, and it looks as close to 50/50 as not to matter.
I agree with some points made by both sides of the argument, but let me say this. You ask why throw the captain overboard with an iceberg approaching? The answer is so the new captain will ensure we don't hit the bloody thing!
Indeed, and if the captain was appointed to oversee a Caribbean Cruise, there is every reason to throw him overboard at the fist sight of an Iceberg.
Glad your voting to keep TC so, if P Dolan is the only possible replacement:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
He wouldnt give up his tv gig anyway JC!
Yeah and he'd want to sort out his hair before I'd back him for the job anyway!
Another thing this poll, poorly timed or otherwise, proves is this:
A: The suggestion that a majority of fans want Cousins out is wrong.
B: The suggestion that only a tiny minority want him out is wrong.
It refutes claims by both 'sides' of the argument, but can I say this - it is a debate, a debate by fans who feel passionately about their club, and debate is healthy.
By asking for the poll I was not trying to undermine the manager - heaven knows he and his players need total backing this Friday, as I feel defeat will see us end up in the playoff, and don't fancy our chances against Harps, Cobh or the Tree Burners.
It also defines the glass half full and glass half empty people - some happy with priority, which was to stay up (if we do); others disappointed at the manner in which it was achieved (again, if we do).
As for available managers, wasn't Liam Buckley one of the names touted for the job last year? And the claim that Alan Matthews wouldn't suit as he has a job in Dublin is a bit rich considering the current address of Tony.
As someone else suggested, why just go for a LOI name - John Robertson has lead Derry to the League Cup, Paul Cook has done wonders with Sligo considering they lost their best players (Mansaram and Turner) and the Judas who brought them to fourth last season.
the thing here though is as you can see now, the thread has shown that no matter what they do between now and the end of the season they havent got that from our main core of supporters !Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
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Can see why people feel it's inapporopriate to put up a poll at this stage.
However i'll be voting the same way regardless of our final position.
is a bad time for them type of questions, I think we have an absolute ****e team to watch and TC is completely bereft of what to do but whats the use in sacking hime with 2 home games to go? I was giving out a good number of weeks ago but at this crucial time we have no choice but to hold the nerves. A serious review during seasons close is required and not just of TC but a lot of the awful average players that have been assembled at terryland.
I will abstain from this poll. My goal was to avoid the play offs and thats still attainable
he brought us to fifth.. which was extremely good considering the league contained shels at the time. good luck to ye if ye want him though!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
OK so Leeson tried to get Lal to stay even though it was the correct decision for Stephen to stand down.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyTown
but you are just after saying that Leeson tried to get Lal to stay even when it was right for him to go!!! The fact Leeson is backing TC, your assumption, is hardly a ringing endorsement for him to remain in charge, especially using the example you pointed out about Stephen Lally.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyTown
Don't get me wrong, Leeson has been great for the club but if he is backing TC 100% then personally I'll disagree with him on this one.
Some people on here think that if you believe we need a better manager to progress then you are not supporting the team. Not true. Some of ye have just been too easily pleased.
The fact we may/should avoid relegation is an absolute minimun requirement. Relegation would be a stone wall disaster. Staying up does NOT mean the season has been successiful. Regardless of what spin is put on it by TC or the club. If you think about the 2 teams below us - one was deducted 6 points and the other were relegated last season but stayed up due to Shels going down. And then thers is us, full time progressive club with of the tightest run ships there is off the field!
By going Full-Time and with all the players brought in we should have easily attained mid-table as a bare minimum. And believe me this was the private goal, avoiding relegation was the public one.
FFS it's probably only 2 weeks since some of ye have stopped saying -'We'll see the full benefits of going full-time soon, and the new players need time to gel.'
The bottom line is TC should be given his P45 the day after our final league match, regardless whether we get relegated or stay up. A new manager should be appointed early so he can stamp his authority on the squad from pre-season and also allow him to recruit players straight away and banish the dead wood.
We have not progressed at all this season and we are 29 games in. There is no margin for error next season, cheers Tony but time to go.
thats why now is why the question should be asked as the opinions are not clouded.Quote:
Originally Posted by baileban
for example,
if we get relegated then everyone and his mother will call for TC's head
if we stay up, then people will say, sure all we wanted to do this season was avoid relegation
whereas by having the debate now people can make an informed opinion without survival/relegation influencing their decision.
goodpoints hoop - think its so true about the "wait and see the benefits of full time" this has not happened
tc has had 2 transfer windows to stamp his authority on the team and it still has not happened
stay up or go down, im sorry good luck tony
with those players and all the facilities the club has provided to you off the field you should have done much better - particularly at home
i dread to think what the situation would be if we didnt have some away form
that new stand and all the off the pitch work should have been a serious help and motivational force for the players - and they are still strolling round hands on hips etc.
that has to be the managements fault
Made the exact same points myself hoop over on the GUST forum.
Stay up or not we should thank Tony for his efforts and part ways in November.
The novelty of premier league football will have worn off next season and unless the team is performing crowds will not come out in high numbers for games against Bray/UCD/Waterford/Harps etc...
It will have to be a good product next year....not the stuff we've had to endure this season.
Has he not had 3? The window midway through last season, the start of this seaosn, and again in July?Quote:
Originally Posted by corbyeire
All fair points Hoop & well made. But again, nobody has come up with a viable alternative for me (Liam Buckley is a laughable suggestion IMO).Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
For the record since TCs detractors feel its fair to say he made poor choices in the transfer windows, it should be pointed out that his first window came within a week of his appoinment and the 3 lads he brought in then, especially, Conor Gethins were excellent. (He wasn't responsible for the fact the Gethins went back to Harps). He then led the club on its longest winning sequence EVER. Fair enough it was the First Division, and it wasn't enough to win promotion on the field. But I hope I live to see a manager arrive who beats it, in whatever League we end up in.
Finally, who here is up to speed on TCs contractual situation with the club? Will all those who want him out be prepared to pay up his contract, seeing the results of the poll to date suggest its in the clubs best interests? He has a family and entitlements under contract law, so maybe those who are voting him out, will produce their chequebooks?
Not one my town.Its great to have people telling the club how to do their business but no one on here is privy to the actual cost of running the club and rely on hearsay to form an opinion.
Some people seem to think that Tony only comes to Galway at weekends of matches and supervisers everything from Dublin which is far from the truth.
Well, at least this debate makes for more interesting forums than if we were in "mid-table obscurity"
its not laughable IMO He has abit of a CV and has won things.. a league, what has Cousins achieved or shown this season? not much :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by MyTown
Fair enough MyTown.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyTown
But a Cost/Benefit Analysis might outweigh the initial forecast of us making a slight loss/expense on paying TC off.
Should we keep him on.....He will get more money in the winter to buy more players.
Now lets say we get off to an abysmal start again next season then we're faced with dwindling crowds and no option but to get rid of him.
We now are more than likely down on the projected revenue from gate receipts,aswell as having to pay off a lump sum to TC himself.
A new manager comes in....will look for money to buy his own players and may see little use in some of the players Couisns got,leading to lot of deadweight-still costing us money.
Also i was under the impression UTD only gave out 1 year Contracts?That may not be the case for the manager though.
Point i'm making is in the short term a minor expense might not be to bad compared to the expenses incurred should he go after a few weeks into the next season.
Its bad form to be having this debate now.Things on this forum have a way of "getting out" to the players,managers etc.If an army was in the thick of a (relagation) battle would that be the best time to be debating whether or not to sack the General?????
I can fully understand peoples frustations but maybe leave them till the end of the season when the dust settles.
(He wasn't responsible for the fact the Gethins went back to Harps)
If he had used the money wasted on payoffs for other strikers that only played a few games for the club he probably could have got him. Galway United never made a serious offer for Conor Gethins. Thank fook for that!
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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
Paul Cook may have done well at Sligo, but if Galway United sack Tony Cousins and bring in some fella who has no experience of the league and his only previous management experience is lasting 2 months with some conference team, I will be seriously worried.
We dont buy players and its Nick who sorts out the financial side of the players contracts and who makes sure we stay within budget.
Our Playing/managment budget this season was €670,000 which includes some players who will be paid in the off season.That is nothing compared to what it cost Drogheda to win the league this season a cost thst will se them with a debt of close on €3.5 million.
So now he's being saddled with the injuries to Chris Armstrong & Michael Yeboah Mensah!:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Probably is the key word Mr. A. Probably if we hadn't brought forward the kick off in the cup tie against you, probably you wouldn't have thrown all the toys out of the pram that day and probably we'd be in the semi-final now. :p
Probably the match would have been abandoned due to darkness in that case of course. Probably wouldn't have made any difference to the fact that a part time side were the fitter in extra time either. :)
Myself and mate were watching Setanta last week when Pat Dolan was on and the subject of his hair inevitably came up. Our conclusion was that himself and Stephen Ireland got a two for one deal on hair extensions.Quote:
Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
Can we get a poll on whether Pat Dolan should retain his new fringe next season? :rolleyes:
As for this poll, stupid timing. What is it going to acheive with 4 games left?:mad: