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Am I right in saying at this point the FAI/eL have set no format or provisional date for this playoff? I've seen it suggested that if it's Finn Harps v Derry it'll be two legged, if it's Cobh it'll be one leg at the Brandywell. Following the cup final debacle it's more amateur behaviour from the custodians of our game. The format and date should have been set out from the begining of the season.
Waiting to see Pats get in via the league if not its a tri pronged mini league with pats having a 9 point head start and 4 extra players.
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It is a farce. The date should have been set long time ago, regardless of who would be participating. If what you have heard is true, then I can only assume the FAI are looking at 2 big crowds at both games and a great atmosphere. What galls me though is we do this then they go and fine both of us for creating an atmosphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
it should be 1 leg only at the League Cup winners home ground. All teams have had a chance to win the League Cup and failed to do so. Cobh could win the 1st Division, have been beaten by Derry in the League Cup and still qualify for the Setanta Cup. What a joke
I can see that they are trying to make the race for the last setanta spot more interesting by throwing in the winners of division one but with the situation as messy as it is the idea clearly wasnt thought through.
There's nothing to stop the FAI sorting this out. Decide whether it's one leg or two (preferably the latter), set the dates and there you go, simple. It could have been nasty if Bohs had won the league cup, but they didn't. It was not well planned but it can be easily rescued. Except they're not going to of course!
I see no reason at all why who wins the first division should make a difference to the format.
Unfortunately its in the FAI and the clubs interests to keep it vague.
If its Harps from the first, both sides will be rubbing their hands together for a two-legged tie, with the potential for 4,000 plus at both games and a split gate.
Agree that its a farce BTW, but a not unexpected one.
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Originally Posted by City till I Die
It's very simple really.
If Harps/Derry or Cobh win the playoff then Galway get the Setanta Cup spot.
No, you're thinking of a place in the top league. Pats are the Setanta Cup's favourite team and as such all rules are variable to fit us in.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Personally I think it would be a real up yours if Harps/ Cobh got the setanta spot.
No one outside of the two clubs want us in, its a farce.
How many times will farce be mentioned in this topic? I reckon farce will be used alot as in all fairness it is a farce :cool:
Slightly OT but speaking of FAI farces this A-League thingy has gone pretty quiet...............
If its true its more amateur goings on by those in charge of the game. The play off and for a setanta cup place is a massive incentive for both Finn Harps and Cobh Ramblers, both of whom have been excellent this season and made for a very exciting first division title race.Both cubs deserve to know what awaits them even if priority is achieving promotion first and foremost. The inclusion in the Setanta cup is a massive financial incentive and would see either club giving themselves a decent chance of finance and staying in the Premier Division. The possibility of a place in the competition has got to have some bearing on that coveted 1st place on the league. They at least deserve to know what that is, what format and when.
The concept in itself is ridiculous to begin with. Division 1 teams enter the league cup. Both cups offer them the opportunity to qualify.
The league cup has taken on a new life since the Setanta spot has been up for grabs. The way I see it Setanta cup qualification is the main prize of winning the league cup. For some reason the winners now have to play a team who have already been knocked out of the competition in a "playoff". It's ridiculous*!
* For ridiculous read "farcical" if you're that way inclined.
The reasons the first division teams are in there is obvious. It was their pay off for agreeing to Delaney's SuperLeague, and specifically for agreeing to a ten team premier...
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Originally Posted by bohsmug
You won't hear Harps or Cobh complain if they get a return from the play-off. Sorry I shouldn't just say Harps and Cobh.Dundalk are in the shake up also. Anyhow if Harps win the first division you won't hear them complain with a financial incentive in taking on Derry City over two leagues. A timely boost at the end of the season. It might pay for the title win bonus I've heard is on offer.
Either way thats a game I'd love to return to Ballybofey for again.
The funniest thing about this discussion is that someone in Merrion Square is reading it and and has just realised that they forgot to organise the game.
On the basis that the idea was first mooted in the FAI's Proposals for the Strategic Direction of the National League 2007 to 2012, which was officially launched at the end of May 2006, you'd hope someone might've remembered.
I was just thinking that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
I don't think people will begrudge it to you. Moan and bitch about the FAI, sure, but it's not Cobh's fault that there's some farcical playoff in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy
No, it's the fault of the 22 league clubs that voted for the merger with this included (or rather 21 clubs with Dublin City abstaining as far as I remember).Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I think there were a couple of more abstentions, but regardless, yes, that was ultimately where the decision was made. I'm still going to blame the FAI for thinking of it though. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Stato
In the interest of fairness, those are by and large the same clubs that failed miserably to run the League themselves under the previous self-regulating regime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stato
I'm with Dodge on this, a few improvements under the FAI (most seem to be coming from Noel Mooney), but not nearly enough. I also have no confidence that Fran Gavin is able enough for the job, never mind the various conflicts he brought with him.
But getting back to the playoff, yes, its inexcusable that a format and dates have not been publicised and in any case, as stated above, the concept of a playoff is ridiculous and is plainly a sop to the First Division.
I don't mind giving a sop to the first division, it needs to get a bit more glamour into it but I always thought that it was a bad idea to give the big prize to the winners since winning the division already carries a big prize.
If the Setanta spot was given to the winner of a first division shield it could add some interest to the final third of the season when most clubs have nothing to play for.
Seems strange to give the first division a chance to qualify over the league cup winners but sure I suppose it makes things more interesting!
As for the lack of certainty about the date/structure of the play-offs it sounds like the FAI are trying to give the IFA a run for their money in the incompetence stakes.
They shd have kept it the way it was, league cup winners get Setanta spot. Gr8t financially for Harps especially! The FAI are a joke:ball:
There's no "8" in great. Do you mind spelling things out? txtspk is against the rules, and with damn good cause.
And anyway gr8t is wrong even as text speak. Great-tee. :eek:
Ban him! :D
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Originally Posted by stann
One character short of the actual word :eek: Hardly worth it.
Fuppin kids these days....! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
How sad are you lot????:D As sad as the FAI
There's vowels in "should" last time I looked too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
New poster - just wanted to get the comment in while he's still fresh and malleable. It's only small, I agree, which is why there's no warning or infraction.
............but there's a me in team, if you look hard enough........Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Sounds like something David Brent would say Stu.