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I think there are similarities between him and Sammy Lee in terms of in frontof the camera. They are both awful and talk complete ****. Personally i rate nobody lower than him. How many other managers would say someone like Joey O'Brien has played in central defense in the past when he has never in his career played there
Shoddy , but then again he was successful with Bohs
Avram Grant springs to mind.
let me see, that chap at Enron springs to mind.........
Tommy Lyons ex manager of Dublin...oh no, he was amateur....sorry, you got me there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Khare B. Basnet the current manager of Bhutan (ranked 197). But he is coherent. So the answer is no.
wot about jonny Giles. do ye think he did well with ireland
Peter Reid and to think he was once in the running......say no more
Wrecker Souness, of course
Bryan Robson.
Hear that, Delaney?!
beat me to it. David Platt being another.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
None of the managers mentioned are worse than Stan.
Not one could possibly make the selection and positioning mistakes Stan has made. They are beyond belief.
C'mon, you are kidding yourselves if you say otherwise.
Nick Gleeson who brought down Bearings. Ach no, I hear he is doing a decent job for Galway.
John Barnes?
I'd have Peter Reid managing us over Stan in a second ...and I'm a Leeds supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
For established track record in taking teams down divisions and rankings Bryan Hamilton, likeable chap as he is, takes some beating.
He seemingly thought he was in the running for the Irish job when Kerr got the gig despite the FAI hiring him as a finder.
Though to his credit his NI team whipped, home and away, the same p1ss-poor Austria side who beat us 3-1 home and away in the Euro 96 qualifiers. A campaign where Charlton and Setters (and the squad for that matter) were guilty of gross dereliction of duty.
As well as his punditry work I believe Hamilton has some consultancy or advisory post to one of the smaller associations in the Carribean. Nice work if you can get it.
Stan would still shade Sylvia De Gres the Belgian manager of a less than successful womens team
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswi...0-1-paper.html
not many maybe the Georgia rugby manager for thinking his 2nd team would be good enough to beat Ireland.
Watch for another Stan moment next week if John O'Shea doesn't made the Jgame. He will have to call up a centre half. If he is consistent he will play Joey O'Brien and use Andy O'Brien as backup. Except he never had any intention of using Joey O'Brien. He was just too stupid to realise he might need cover for the only 2 centre halves that can play against the Germans.
so am I.......... that's why i think he's crap........ but yeah not crapper than stanQuote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
DAve Watson, the ex- Everton player, was pretty shocking at Tranmere about 5-4 years ago
id rate daiv brent higher, at least he has management experience
Bobby Charlton.
Jack Charlton
The greatest midfiled we ever had and he bypassed it for the sake of Cascarino Quinn!! Players like Sheedy, Townsend, Whelan, Houghton, Galvin McGrath just watching Chris Morris pump high balls over their heads all day. Painful. And the greatest centre half the world has ever seen outside Italy, and he plays him out of position for 5 years....!
Imagine what Bob Paisley would have done with that selection of players! We could have been a contender
ooh controversial, although i agree charlton was a vastly over-rated manager..!! wait for the backlash from th charltonites
ever notice how the charltonites tend also to have been McCarthy-ites in Saipan :)
We had a potential world class team back then and he ruined its potential with his Wimbledon tactics.
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Originally Posted by citizenerased
COuldn't be bothered. Jack was a success as a manager wherever he went, including Sheffield Wednesday. Far more talented Irish teams failed where his succeeded but as I say, why waste my breath? "We're all part of Jackie's army, we're all of to It-al-ly, and etc etc ".
Sammy Lee I'll give another couple of weeks at Bolton. You can almost see the sword of doom hanging over his head.
David Pleat was also greatly overrated because he talked a good game.
Yes. Charlton did'nt know what he was doing. Results mean nothing. Qualifying for tournaments and getting to QF's is for spoofers.
Even Dunphy, Jack's biggest public critic, conceded that Ireland's style of play under Charlton was far more sophisticated than Wimbledon's. Anyone who thought it was just a long ball game had no idea. All of the midfilders mentioned by An_Ceannaire played a significant role in the success of that team.
Funnily enough I have a certain regard for the only two managers to have got us to a World Cup Finals. Neither was without his faults but the world isn't black and white.
ffs people slagging off Charlton, the only manager in our history to qualify us for more major finals than he failed to qualify us for. 3-2. A legend. A plonker, but a legend.
lads i am not anti-jack
i would shake his hand and bow before him in a second
BUT I do think he was HUGELY over rated and if you had given a manager who liked to play it on the deck players like this
Bonner, Morris, Moran, McGrath, Stan, Brady, Whelan, Houghton, Sheedy, Aldridge, Stapleton, Townsend, Sheridan, Irwin, Keane, O'Leary, Kelly, Quinn etc and asked them to put it on the deck, let the MF do the work and feed the strikers....we would have done a whole lot more. Think about it!
Look at those players!!!!
We played far more football on the deck under Jack than credit is given for. What we didn't do then that we do now is play square balls on the edge of our 18, concede more than we score due to lack of any kind of a plan and render ourselves out of contention with three games to go.
Jack was no revolutionary but that he's even being mentioned in this thread, even taking all his Irish achievments off his CV, is plain laughable.
Now you look here Stevie wonder..........I aint laughin:cool:!!
The manager of my local Burger King restaurant who's a young Chinese lad is probably not as good as Stan. The place has gone to the sh*ts since he took it over.
John Toshack - they both have just about the same amount of charisma and knowledge of the game
i would take tosh over stan in a heat beat! Real Madrid & La Liga title....Walsall reserves....hhmmmmmm
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Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
eh................................................ ......
Under Charlton we played like the very good Everton team of the mid to late 80's and not like Wimbledon. The opinion of one Liam Brady. The revisionists like to forget about 1984/85 and the players we had then. Why did'nt they qualify? Brady, Lawernson, Stapleton, O'Leary, Robinson, Whelan, Cascarino, Moran etc. For Charlton to bring an Ireland team to Germany 88 was nothing short of incredible. A team with many of the players that would start under Charlton had been hammered 4-1 at home by Denmark 2 years previously in Hands last game . I was one of the few at the match and still remember the despair. Charlton won the world cup as a player. And got us to the quarter finals of the world cup. Both facts. No matter what Dunphy or some of the ex-pro's say.
I can't see much lately. Can't see us retaining possession like we did under Jack, Mick and (to a lesser extent) Brian. I sure as sh1t can't see us creating enough either. Even if I was completely blind though I'd be able to see lesser opposition go through us like a punnet of peaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Anyone who thinks Jack was worse than Stan is a muppet of the highest order, sure we didn't play pretty footbally but 4 out of the 5 of the major competitions we qualified for were under Jack, played England 5 times and never lost, true we had better players back then but we had great players before Jacks time too and failed to qualify
Gazza but only just....