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Forgot to mention but last week the Herald backpage had a small story about that potential club in Fingal being formed again. Liam Buckley's name was mentioned as usual but apparently the council will back the building of a 10k seater stadium. The article also said the club will be called Fingal City. Why City I have no idea seeming as Fingal is a county at best.:confused:
Wouldn't the simple thing here be to merger with/take over Shelbourne? It would get them a stadium and get Fingal into the league quickly.
(Unless I wasn't in that day) I am 100% certain that Fingal is not a county! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
AFAIK its officially a county. Have you ever drove into fingal? The sign says welcome to county Fingal (or something along them lines)Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
It has a county council, similar to Tipperary North, Dun Laoighre/Rathdown and Tipperary South.
Here you go It's neither county or city.
The administrative area of Fingal is located to the north of the City of Dublin and extends in the west to the line of the River Liffey, to the east to the sea and to the north as far as the county boundary. It covers an area of approximately 173 square miles and has a population of almost 210,000 with growth projections to 260,000 by the year 2010.
It came into being on the 1st. January, 1994 following the abolition of the former Dublin County Council and the establishment of 3 new authorities to replace it.
Regardless of the name have people not learned from the CHF fiasco? Surprised at Liam getting involved in this kind of mess. As mentioned the sensible move would be to join shels and get a stadium up and running.
What is definite is that the league does not need another Dublin club.
KOH
Dublin City Part 2! What a joke that was. What a joke this is. Although it was in The Hearld so it's obviously a well sourced news story and not some bloke overheard ramblin' on on the 52A bus.
Fingal has no charter and as such calling a club from there 'Fingal City' would at best be a misnomer and at worst a downright lie.
Still ...if it didn't stop Manchester United.
Why is this type of rumour rubbish allowed to even start up.Agreed the last thing the EL needs is another Dublin club
Article about this new club being formed was in the Fingal Independent (our local paper) ages ago, so reckon this is not just a rumour.
I saw the recent Herald article too and it suggested the whole thing was approved and ready to go. I know the Herald is not a bastion of truth, but, this story has been on the go for too long not to have some truth in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shelbourne1904
Agree with others that the obvious solution would be merger with Shelbourne.
The piece in the Fingal Independent was published in May. Says that the new club intends to apply to play in the EL in 2008.
They're not planning the enter the league, they're planning to enter the A Championship initially.
Personally I think they're as strong a candidate as any. FingalCoCo is a particularly separatist council which is trying to forge an identity for the region and sees sport as the best means of doing so. They've invested a lot of (wisely targeted and utilised) money into cricket in recent years and have made Fingal the undisputed epicentre of the game in Ireland. To succeed in Irish football beyond subsistence level you either need a private investor or public money. Fingal County Council have the money, the will and the acumen to make a go of this. I can see them in the league before 2010.
They're not going to merge with Shelbourne as the club's raison d'etre is as a flagship for the "county."
More than a rumour. I mentioned this on here before. They held meetings in hotels around North Dublin and invited clubs along. They were asking clubs to sent their most talented youngester to a purpose built academy in Fingal and progress them into the new team. However when clubs, some who have been starved of funding and facilities, learned of this expenditure they were less than cooperative with the new venture. Have not heard much about this is a while, thought it was put on the back burner.
How can a club that doesn't exist merge with us?
This whole project is a pure waste of tax-payers money, and evidence of the worst kind of political egoism that arises when you carve administrative entities out of nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
People are not from Fingal. They are from Dublin. Or from Malahide. Or Castleknock. Or from wherever else they identify with. But you can be certain that they don't identify with anything or any entity known as 'Fingal'.
Fingal is an artifical creation that appears to be desperately creating an image/identity for itself where one doesn't exist and alternative preferable ones do (e.g. Dublin). In this it will be no more of a success than any of the 33 Borough Councils in London that have tried and failed to create council-level identites over people's local or city-wide ones. I live in Stockwell or London. Lambeth is merely the name at the top of the weighty council-tax bill I receive once a year.
As Fingal is an artifical creation that was hoisted upon people, those who live in that administrative region will feel no empathy towards anything that attempts to trumpet and standard bear for that administrative region. Because Fingal means nothign to them.
This is just a case of politicians playing out their daft fantasies and dreaming of little empires where none exist. It will therefore be a pure waste of their tax-payers money, fail to secure the support level required for it to be a meaningful team at a senior level, and inevitably fissle out as they look towards otehr little projects to bolster their non-existent republic.
P.S. Fingal is not the undisputed epicentre of cricket in Ireland. Arguably Clontarf is - though chunks of Ulster would happily contest that claim, and the predominance of international games north of the border would tend to support that claim.
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located to the north of the City of Dublin and extends in the west to the line of the River Liffey, to the east to the sea and to the north as far as the county boundary
Have a wild guess where Clontarf is Steve.
I remember when they first replaced Dublin County Council many years ago and they placed a sign stating "welcome to Fingal" at the juntion of The half way house and the Phoenix Park race course. The same local representatives in Castleknock who protested against the national stadium plan for the Phoenix park Race Course (because of traffic and a casino, who now have to live with three thousand houses instead) complained that people would think that it meant you are now entering Finglas.
Fingal Ravens GAA club http://www.fingalravens.com/index.html have been around for a long long time. Fingal always existed, however it was an rural area between Swords and Rush. When the councils split it seemed to encompass a lot more areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I'd imagine they identify with being from the Northside, which is what Fingal is essentially.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
That said, I don't think this club is likely to garner much support and some partnership with Shels or Bohs would be more useful.
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
That particular area of county Dublin was known as Fingal long before the island was divided up into 32 counties. The area delineated and falling under the administration of Fingal CoCo might be an convenient administrative creation (like each of the county and city councils), but Fingal is certainly not artificial (with the exception of Sutton :) ). The mistake was to call it a 'county' council (given the 32=1 mentality of a section of the population), when 'borough' would have been more appropriate.
Incidentally, Samuel Beckett wrote an excellent short story called "Fingal" set around Howth, Feltrim and Swords in the 1930s.
There will have to be Dublin teams in the A Championship, why not Fingal. However, has anyone else heard the rumour that Kilkenny City might not be around for much longer ...
Wild guesses aside - as far as I'm aware it's in Dublin, not Fingal. :) Though if I'm correct it is bang on the border between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by a.a.d
That aside - even if Clontarf was the epicentre of Irish cricket, and even if the town was in Fingal not Dublin, then it would be Clontarf that was the centre of Irish cricket - not Fingal. Dundalk being a soccer town doesn't automatically make Louth a soccer county, for example.
Apologies - I'm not claiming that a random collection of consonants and vowels was asembled to make Fingal :) . Just that the name of a small area north of Dublin is being used to describe a dramatically larger area to the north of Dublin.Quote:
Originally Posted by eelmonster
I have no issue per se with a Fingal team looking to enter the league - bar the fact that we could do without another Dublin team, and we had a Fingal one under Home Farm Dublin City Everton Vikings anyway. My issue is with a makey-uppey County Council looking to blow tax-payers money on an ego-driven exercise in creating an identity for a 'region' that doesn't have one. The EL doesn't need such misguided vanity projects.
Give it up, Steve - there's no Most Erroneous Opinions on Subjects One Knows Nothing About section in the Guinness Book of Records, and there never will be.
I'm a Clontarf supporter myself, but it's a cricket club, not a region. Nowhere else in Ireland (certainly not in Leinster) has such a concentration of major senior clubs (North County, The Hills, Rush, Malahide) as Fingal. In the current decade, Fingal clubs have won five of the eight Irish Senior Cups on offer, and contributed eight finalists in total; this year's final was a Fingal derby between North County and The Hills. Ergo, Fingal is cricketing capital of Ireland. I'm nonplussed as to what the venue of national team games has to do with anything, unless you're suggesting that Saint Denis is the centre of French football.
There is very definitely such a thing as Fingal identity, and cricket is a major part of it. In fact, I'd define Fingal as those village-based communities of North County Dublin wherein cricket is the dominant sport. The problem, as others have pointed out, is that this notional region is by no means coterminous with the boundaries of Fingal County Council, which is why I reckon any future football club will be firmly anchored in Fingal proper.
Fascinating. But does nothing to explain why a County Council should be spending tax payers money on a vanity project like setting up a football club and building a stadium to create an identity for a region most of its inhabitants don't identify with (as they have alternative stronger identities).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
That is the issue here.
If you believe then anything is possible ;):pQuote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Marraige of convenience or shotgun wedding? It's like getting your hand promised in matrimony to your hitherto unborn cousin-as is the custom in many parts of the globe:pQuote:
Originally Posted by A face
This was mooted a year or two ago as part of the reorganisation of the League. I think Santry Stadium, which is owned by FCC, was mentioned as the ground they would use. They would draw on young players from the locality and develop them. Think that was the plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Morton Stadium ( not Santry Stadium ) is the venue they propose to use initially. However, it is likely that in a few years, the city boundary will be moved to the M50 and Morton Stadium will be in the Dublin City Council area. Fingal County Council are proposing to invest money in football by building a football academy and municipal stadium. Obviously, they would feel that having a team in the Eircom League would be part of the package.
I agree with other posters that Fingal is the cricket capital of Ireland. Also, plenty of people living in Swords, Rush, Lusk, Skerries and Balbriggan have no problem with their Fingallian identity.
As far as I know, this Fingal team is well advanced in the planning stages and Liam Buckley has investors on board.
This is absolutely nuts. Irish football is on its knees, and football in Dublin probably even more so. The solution is not to put public resources into creating a new competing entity, whether or not it is based on a Fingal 'identity'. But that hasn't stopped them hauling their chains of office off on a junket to Rosenburg.
Fingal may have been a great place for Fionn mac Cumhaill and friends to lep about and chase each other around and even have a few overs in, but it is not in any sense a place in anyone's head. I've lived in the 'place' and near it, for much of my life, and not once have I met anyone who has told me, 'Hey, I'm from Fingal.'
This proposal could only ever have come from someone spending other people's money and who draw lines on maps for a living. Why don't they just cop on and support centuries-old clubs that are already in their area. or do the Greens running the joint not believe in heritage?
Fingal City? Could anything be more ludicrous?
Please tell me you're joking. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
while I agree that Dublin doesnt need another football team I dont know how people can say that people in the north couny dont identify with Fingal.
below is a bit from wikipedia, i particulary like the bit about Fingal having its own language. if anyone has heard of the viking trail it gives a good insight into the genealogical background of Fingalians
Here come the Fingalians :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingal hoop
Has Fingal's Wikepedia entry got mixed up with Wanderly Wagon's?
Fingal (Fine Gall in Irish, meaning "foreign tribe", i.e. Norsemen) is a county in the Republic of Ireland. It was formed from part of the former county Dublin. The Vikings referred to the area as Dyflinarskiri, the hinterland of Dublin. The original name however derived from the old Gaelic Fionn Gall meaning fair strangers, denoting the Norse, whereas south county Dublin was called Dubh Gall, denoting the occupying Danes. Early Anglo-Norman versions of the name include the similar Fiehengall, Fynnegal, Fyngal, and Finegal, which led to the mis-identification with Fine Gall. Fingalian is an extinct language, a hybrid of Old English and Old Norse, with Gaelic influences, which was spoken by the people of Fingal until the mid-1800s.
Contents [hide]
1 History
2 County status
3 Economy and society
4 Towns, villages and Dublin suburbs in Fingal
5 Fingal County Council
6 Bibliography References
7 External links
[edit] History
The first administrative identity going by a variant of the original name was the grant of the Lordship of Fingal, a Prescriptive Barony, confirmed by letters patent from King John to Walter de Lacy and his heirs in perpetuity, in 1208, and based on the latter's father Hugh de Lacy's holding the same on a basis of grand serjeanty for his services as bailiff to the King. The lordship of Fingal was a paramount superiority over several sub-infeudated smaller baronies (such as Castleknock, Santry, Balrothery), and thus eventually accrued vicecomital attributes leading to the granting of the first viscountcy in Ireland in 1478 to a Preston, Lord Gormanston, the Premier Viscount of Ireland, who at the time was the main landowner in the area, and a direct descendant of Walter de Lacy. That viscountcy was called after Gormanston as the latter was the principle seat and Manor of the Prestons at the time, having been acquired upon their relinquishment of occupancy of the Manor of Fyngallestoun. The Viscounts Gormanston continued to retain the Lordship of the latter under reversion.
The heraldic crest for Fingal reads "Flúirse Talaimh is Mara" meaning "Abundance of Land and Water". The motto reflects the strong farming and fishing ties historically associated with the area. It also features a Viking longboat, which represents the arrival of the Norse in Fingal, where they became integrated with the existing Irish.
In 1210, Fingal was included in County Dublin, one of the first twelve counties created by King John during the shiring of Ireland. Over the centuries, Fingal included several other baronies, namely Finglas, Feltrim, Howth, Shankill, and Swords. A peerage title as Earl of Fingall was created in 1628, by King Charles I of England, and granted to Lucas Plunkett, Baron Fingall, whose first wife, Elizabeth O'Donnell of Tyrconnell thus became 1st Countess of Fingall. The Plunketts also intermarried with the Prestons, Viscounts Gormanston. The title went extinct upon the death of the 12th and last Earl in 1984, along with a peerage barony of the same name, not to be confused with the titular prescriptive barony of Fingal, long retained by the Viscount Gormanston as an incorporeal hereditament in gross, until passed to the late Patrick Denis O'Donnell.
[edit] County status
The area of Fingal, which had been recognised in various historical accounts throughout the middle ages (most notably the Annals of the Four Masters), was raised to county status on 1 January 1994, through the Local Government (Dublin) Act, 1993 and more formally in the Local Government Act, 2001, with the division of old County Dublin into three new counties. Under the latter law, Fingal is determined and listed as a county under Part 1 - Counties, of Schedule 5 (page 195)[1].
Fingal covers the coastal area north of City of Dublin along the Irish Sea and south of the River Delvin to the River Liffey, and it is bordered by the counties of Meath, Kildare and South Dublin.
Fingal County Council, the local government authority, has its main offices in Swords.
[edit] Economy and society
Fingal is Ireland’s primary horticultural region, producing 50% of the national vegetable output and 75% of all glasshouse crops grown in the country. However, the areas of production are coming under severe pressure from other development and the rural towns are increasingly becoming dormitories for the City. Howth harbour is the biggest fishing harbour on the east coast and the fifth largest in the country.
Fingal itself is the fifth largest local government area in Ireland by population. The main urban center in Fingal is Blanchardstown with other important centres at Balbriggan, Castleknock, Howth, Malahide, Mulhuddart, and Swords. The Institute of Technology, Blanchardstown and Dublin International Airport are located within the county.
In 2006 Fingal County Council was lauded[2] by prominent Irish construction industry figures, politicians and EU Energy Commissioner Andris Piebalgs [3] for becoming the first local authority in Ireland to introduce mandatory sustainable building requirements. The policy, which relates to all construction in 8 parts of the county--including roughly 13,000 new homes--stipulates that the amount of energy and CO2 emissions associated with the heating and hot water of all buildings must be reduced by at least 60% compared to Irish Building Regulations, with at least 30% of the energy used for heating and hot water coming from renewable sources such as solar, geothermal or biomass.
Finally, according to the Irish National Census returns for 2006 [4], published by the Government's Central Statistics Office, Fingal is the youngest and fastest growing county in Ireland, with the most economically active population, thus in the fastest growing economy in the European Union[5]. It also is the most cosmopolitan county in Ireland, with the greatest mix of nationalities and ethnicities which has been its heritage for many centuries.
[edit] Towns, villages and Dublin suburbs in Fingal
Balbriggan, Baldoyle, Ballyboghil, Bayside, Blanchardstown
Castleknock, Castaheaney, Clonsilla, Corduff
Donabate
Garristown
Howth
Lusk
Malahide, Mulhuddart
Naul
Oldtown, Ongar
Portmarnock, Portrane
Rush
Rolestown (Rowlestown)
Skerries, Swords, Sutton
Tyrrelstown
[edit] Fingal County Council
Fingal County Council has 24 directly elected members. The members since the local election in 2004 are:
Labour: 6
Gerry McGuire*
Tom Kelleher*
Michael O'Donovan*
Peter Coyle*
Peggy Hamill*
Ciaran Byrne*
Fine Gael: 5
Anne Devitt*
Alan Farrell
Joan Maher*
Michael Joe Cosgrave*
Eithne Loftus**
Fianna Fáil: 4
Eoghan O'Brien**
Margaret Richardson*
Darragh Butler**
Brenda Clifford
Greens: 3
Robert Kelly*
David Healy
Joe Corr
Socialist Party: 2
Clare Daly*
Ruth Coppinger*
P.D.: 1
Mags Murray
Sinn Féin: 1
Felix Gallagher
Independent: 2
David O’Connor*
May McKeon
(* denotes councillors who were re-elected; ** denotes councillors co-opted in 2007)
Current Méara (Mayor): Alan Farrell
[edit] Bibliography References
Fingal and its Churches - A Historical Sketch, by Robert Walsh, M. A., Dublin and London, 1888.
Rotuli Chartarum in Turri Londinensi Asservati, edited by Thomas Duffus Hardy, published in 1837. (Available in the Tower of London and in the Guildhall Library, London; it contains original text of the Grant of Fingal by King John in 1208).
The Calendar of the Gormanston Register, Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, edited by James Mills and M.J. McEnery, University Press, Dublin, 1916. The Gormanston Register is a collection of ancient manuscripts going back to the 12th century, belonging to the Viscounts Gormanston, and now lodged in the National Library of Ireland, in Dublin.
History of Killeen Castle, by Mary Rose Carty, published by Carty/Lynch, Dunsany, County Meath, Ireland, April 1991 (ISBN 0-9517382-0-8). This includes a history of the Earls of Fingall - page 18 refers to Lucas Plunkett, the 1st Earl of Fingall, whose first wife was Elizabeth O'Donnell of Tyrconnell, 1st Countess of Fingall.
Blood Royal - From the time of Alexander the Great to Queen Elizabeth II, by Charles Mosley (genealogist), published for Ruvigny Ltd, London, 2002 (O'Donnell listed as Baron of Fyngal, page v) ISBN 0-9524229-9-9
History of the County of Dublin, by Francis Elrington Ball, Dublin, 1902.
History of the County of Dublin, by John D'Alton, Esq., M.R.I.A. Hodges and Smith, Dublin, 1838.
Dublin City and County: From Prehistory to Present, edited by F.H.A. Allen and Kevin Whelan, Geography Publications, Dublin, 1992 [ISBN 0-906602-19-X].
Seventy Years Young, Memoires of Elizabeth, Countess of Fingall, by Elizabeth Burke Plunkett, Lady Fingall. First published by Collins of London in 1937; 1991 edition published by The Lilliput Press, Dublin 7, Ireland [ISBN 0 946640 74 2]. This Elizabeth, was a Burke from Moycullen in County Galway, who married the 11th Earl of Fingall, and should not be confused with Elizabeth O'Donnell, 1st Countess of Fingall.
As a resident of Portmarnock,and a lifelong Shamrock Rovers' fan born in Dublin's south inner city, I totally oppose the concept of me or any members of my family being anything other than Dubliners.
I live in Dublin! Balls to Fingal! It's just an ego trip for local politicos and a platform for culchies who've moved to Dublin and want to distance themselves from the harsh reality that their kids are Dubs.
Ultimately, if FG's Anne Devitt is in favour of something, I'm against it. What I think of that woman can't be mentioned on this site as we'd all end up in court.
On a positive note, at least the myopic, egocentric FCC are pro-football. I hope the SDCC realises that they need to reciprocate and get the finger out with regards to getting Rovers playing in Tallaght ASAP.
Fingal Hoop: there are 32 counties in Ireland and none are called 'Fingal'. Although I will never again visit a GAA stadium (thanks to the actions of Thomas Davis), I know who I'd be up for if Fingal played Dublin in the Leinster championship and I gave a crap about bogball.
Great post. For a Bohs' fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
DL/Rathdown Co. Council are getting behind UCD's coaching in the community initiative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
I have no problem with the new club, I just wonder where they get the 'City' bit from if the story is to be believed. The radius of influence of clubs in Dublin doesn't expand that far so one more club based in the far North East of Dublin is out of the sphere of influence of any current club except maybe Drogheda or Bohs at a stretch.
Morton Stadium, Santry Stadium, same place. Old habits die hard for this Fingallian;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Savic
Meh. Fingal my eye. Norse occupiers of Southern Brega more like.