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Heskey and Lescott!! There is no doubt that the glut of foreign players coming in to the Premiership is doing long term damage to the English national team. In the old days they just had to complete for their places against a few Micks, Taffys and Jocks but now there is a real dearth in depth of decent English players coming through. Strangely this hasn't impacted on our national side yet but must long term.
Tournament performances haven't been that bad in recent years but the panel certainly looks poor.
They'll be lucky to get to Austria/Switzerland.
are you a crazy man???:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
what international team have ou been watchin for the last few years?
I think England are grand. They picked a bad manager tho.That was a mistake.
If they were at full strength and could actually learn that Lampard and Gerrard can't play together, they'd be one of the world's best teams.
They've got a lot of injuries right now and have had a couple of managers who have not learnt about Lampard and Gerrard not working together, hence their poor form.
Heskey is a bit of a shock call-up, but I always thought Lescott had a bit of talent. It's not like they're calling up Titus Bramble.
I honestly don't think England will qualify. Croatia will win group, Russia second
Hope they qualify though, just for the fun of listening to them saying they'll win it, then watching Dunphy and Souness tear into them on RTE when they get knocked out early doors :D
I agree with that, but substitute the words 'Dunphy', 'Souness' and 'RTE' for 'Lineker', 'Hansen' and 'BBC' :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
I think they have a good first team in Robinson, Neville, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Lennon, Hargreaves, Gerrard, Downing, Rooney and Owen, but outside of that they are pretty poor. They won't qualify for the Euro Championship though
Heskey and Lescott would walk into the Irish team.
They need a playmaker really, that's all.
i have to disagree thereQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
this would be fine but since when were england that good anyway? i mean its not a recent thing that they are rubbish. since i have been wathing football England have always been pretty dire (and that includes 1990)
Scotland are doing fine, so are Norn Iron, and we might just nick a place yet...........so that doesnt make sense going by your reasoning
and Greece won the last champs...........and how good were they?
They were so good that noone knew how to beat them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Why do people say that the import of foreign players has ruined the national side. What I say to that is; Are these players that come through good enough to compete at the highest level, the answer is no, that problem lies with the grassroots level of the game in England, if they want to be power houses in football, they need to get that right.
Some of ye have very short memories....
Last summer, World Cup, anyone?
England are a very average team. They can't keep possession of the ball for more than about 5 seconds. Their passing and ball control is no better than Albania.
If I hear anyone else saying how Gerrard and Lampard are World class, but just can't play in the same team, I'll kill someone. If they were that good, they'd be able to adapt to different formations and tactics so they could play together.
Spot on. It will probably cost them qualification. McClaren was a great coach, but a shocking manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Joe Cole. He's wasted on the wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Ahead of who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Duff?
Keane?
Doyle?
I'd probably throw Shane Long on before Heskey.
Must admit that I don't have a clue about Lescott.
Lescott is one of those brave defenders at times, gets his body into the challenge and wins headers from goal kicks etc.
I know England aren't going through their best spell right now but I am pretty sure they will still qualify. Heskey's only there to give them a different option while they cope with their injuries, and if they play to their potential they won't need him anyway.
I also don't expect Lescott to play, but if he does he'll do well. I'd have Micah Richards and Woodgate as their first choice defenders though, if both were fully fit.
England will qualify.
personally i don't think Lampard is that good at all. He is effective for Chelsea when they have either/both:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveyCakes
a designated holding/defensive midfielder and
one up front.
if ingerlund want to play gerard and lampard they need to sacrafice another position and that would probably be a front man, something akin to a spanish style formation of; 4,2,3,1 would be ideal. therefore:
...................Robinson
Neville,......Terry,......Ferdinand,.......Cole
.............Hargreaves...Gerrard
Rooney...........Lampard...............Cole
......................Owen
Subs:
Lennon
Downing
Peckham
Richards
James???
AN Other Striker
But as I couldn't give a toss about them I won't be texting/emailing McClaren who as stated above is probably a good coach but not a good manager imo.
Dont know why this even comes up. Who cares about their national side? If they qualify cant wait for the scenes in any pub here where locals in english club jersies will be cheering on whoever they play.
Would prefer ingerland winning the Euros (not much chance there) than any english club side winning a European trophy for sure.
KOH
I'd have HesKey ahead of Doyle certainly. Duff's finished IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
I don't accept they are "in decline". They have consistently been over-hyped and for once we don't have Andy Gray, Sky Sports and the Premiership era to blame for it as it was going on long before then.
That's not to say they are a "bad" team. They're obviously a decent team with some fine individual talents playing for them over the years. But have they under-achieved the way that say some of The Netherlands sides or Spanish sides have? My guess is no.
Oh ...and another thing -that kind of applies to us as well as all our players are reared in "their" system. The style of play in these islands -which is still faster and more physical than elsewhere -really doesn't strike me as conducive to winning any tournament played out over three weeks in June. it might be that if the intenational competition finals were played out like a CL or rugbys six nations that it help them that bit more. maybe, maybe not.
Except Russia, who beat them in the final game of group A.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
Correct. I forgot that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo