Lads The Club Is Gone Downhill For The Last 2months On And Off The Field Its Time For The Lads To Go No Sign Of It Getting Better Even Sponsors Are Pulling Out They See The Club As A Waste Of Time And Money
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Lads The Club Is Gone Downhill For The Last 2months On And Off The Field Its Time For The Lads To Go No Sign Of It Getting Better Even Sponsors Are Pulling Out They See The Club As A Waste Of Time And Money
Another pointless negative thread
PS. whats the idea hehind your unique writing style
Time For The Dazzler To Go.
im only saying what other people are thinking magee has lost interest and jackman park is still the same ****hole as last year nothing been done behind the scenes give someone else a chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
He has made some funny decisions namely letting David Wall leave, But patience is a virtue... Lets hope the under 21s start to produce some quality players, while i don't believe there is any need for 21's. Wouldn't most players who have the ability be in the squad for the senior side by the time they are 18. Reserves would be a better option along with youths...
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Originally Posted by First
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I know I've been pretty vocal in pointing out the inadequacies of the club in recent times. My opinions have not really changed. I still believe that Finnin is a chancer, and a spoofer of the highest order. I also agree that McGee is an arsehole and looking out of his depth as a manager.
However, there is nobody else running the club, or looking to so it seems that we are stuck with Herr Finnin. As for Mr. McGoo, sorry, McGee, it simply will cost too much money to sack him (if he actually is on a contract like the club says) and we can't afford to hire another one.
Loathe to say it, but I think now the best option would be to bring back O'Connor. He would gladly do the job for free I'd say because for all his faults, nobody can question his commitment to Limerick soccer over the past 10 years, most of which he did for free anyway.
Typo :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gael353
name oneQuote:
Originally Posted by the dazzler
Suggest someone then, I hear Roman and Jose might have had a bit of a run in again, maybe a few years with us would help their situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by the dazzler
Why on the one hand would you say something I agree with (McGee is being found out as a manager) and then go and ruin it on the next by saying we should bring back the Butcher, a man who has been found wanting in the management department himself as a Limerick manager? If we get rid of McGee we need to look for someone fresh, not someone who has some negative history with the players, and someone who has a love of negative football that drives crowds awayQuote:
Originally Posted by PinBallWizard
They haven't even completed the season in a newly formed club and you want them out? To be replaced by who? Being a realist, I'd expect us to be in Division 1 for another 2 seasons AT LEAST. That squad is not capable of getting promoted. The players there just aren't good enough. Nor is the club capable of becoming a premier league club yet, we've just been formed! We're not experienced enough off the field. You have to crawl before you can walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by the dazzler
Can't agree with you there. A first division squad containing Jimmy Fyffe, Paul Finucane, Pat Purcell, Tommy Barrett, Wayne Colbert, Kevin Waters, Padraig Moran and Derek McCarthy should definitely be getting promoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
That, and the astronomic wage bill....
Jimmy Fyffe - Decent keeper, but there's better out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Paul Finucane - Having an off season if you ask me
Tommy Barrett - Over-rated in my opinion, hasn't done much since he came back, also CM is not his best position
Wayne Colbert - Hasn't performed since his return and has done little to justify the hype
Padraig Moran - Don't even know why you singled him out. Best days are behind him
Derek McCarthy - Derek is a good squad player, but we will never win the league or get promoted with him as our main striker.
Purcell and Waters I'll give you.
As for the wage bill, there's a few senior players I'd be showing the door to at the end of the season. In certain positions there is as good if not better in the U21's squad and if I were the club I'd promote these guys cos they're hungrier, cheaper and can develop in to decent players. The likes of Tierney, Clarke and Harrington are the clubs future and they've already shown they are well capable at this level. Give them a few years and they could be unreal. Some of our best players in recent years such as O'Mahoney, Sugrue, O'Flynn etc were young players at the time and there's no reason why the latest batch can't do the same.
"Sponsors Are Pulling Out They See The Club As A Waste Of Time And Money" - the dazzler
"Name one" - the limerick
" ....... " - the dazzler
If you cannot back up these "stories" which themselves are damaging to the club that you "care" so much about I suggest you find yourself a new hobby.
that squad you mention is one of the most experienced and well paid squads in the league and according to many a similar squad under the butcher ..should...have been promoted.yes it is a new club,but in trems of admin only real difference is nutbag DD is gone.certainly agree that some senior players have to be shown the door ...and it was skee who signed them....was,n it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Cobh Ramblers look like they could well win the division and anybody who thinks that Jimmy Fyffe, Paul Finucane, Derek McCarthy, Tommy Barrett and Wayne Colbert wouldn't figure for them is just plain wrong. This isn't a great side but it's a good one and definitely good enough to get out of this division with a bit of luck and a competent manager at the helm.
That said it would be ridiculous to show anybody the door at this point in the season and whatever about McGee it would be lunacy to push Finnin towards the exit. Whatever mistakes he's made he's put in time and effort and the club is certainly no worse off than last year. Next season is the time to judge the off field activities to see if progress can be maintained.
If they were that good we'd be promoted long ago. Jimmy Fyffe and Derek McCarthy have failed miserably when they moved to other clubs, that tells you something. Paul Finucane is usually sound but this season he seems to be off form. It's a good job it's Paddy Purcell and not Anthony Wolfe that he's playing longside, otherwise we'd be a lot further down the table. Wayne Colbert has done absolutely nothing to justify the hype, maybe he's being played out of position, but I just don't see what all the fuss is about. I hope he proves me wrong. Tommy Barrett is a decent player, but he has no football. He's limited and I never expected him to improve us greatly simply because he is not that good technically. I've been watching this group of players now since the first Noel O'Connor stint in charge. They are not good enough to get promoted, even with John Gill in charge. They've gone a bit stale and things need to be freshened up a bit. Just my opinion.....Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
Ok Im guessing you werent at the quiz night where plans were produced for Jackman Park plus an explanation for its delay. And starting threads like that and surrounding the club with a negative vibe is only going to make our situation worse as people wont bother coming to matches if there is a negative image of the club in the city. Time for Dazzler to go IMO!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by the dazzler
Not to mention that Dazzler falls into the ol' Junior habit of making out we own Jackman Park and are responsible for it's complete upkeep, that is until they need to point out that without them and their ground we would be homeless :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
Fyffe's spell with Waterford was short but hardly a failure. He picked up a number of man of the match awards in his early games and was well regarded there. Similarly with Bray. It's not uncommon for part time footballers to struggle once they move away from home. Whatever about any of the others I honestly believe that a fit, focused (and of those words are key) Jimmy Fyffe is the best goalkeeper in this division.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Similarly Barrett did a solid job for a side performing well in the Premier division now, to suggest that he's not good enough to get a side out of this division is way off.
If you are correct though and all these players are just flotsam in this division who's culpable? Surely the manager? Especially for the players that he added in the window? The baffling loyalty to Anthony Hayes (and Dave Ryan to a lesser extent), the butcher-esque treatment of Moloney. Paul McGee has not overachieved by any stretch this season. 4th wouldn't be a bad finish first time out but let's not get carried away. Your comments about Fyffe certainly apply to McGee, 'there's better out there'.
were they the same plans as the start of the year?:Quote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
now magee has to go the season is finished changes has to be made:mad:
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Originally Posted by the dazzler
no there not
full of sh*t dazzler, we are still waiting for you to mention just 1 sponsor that has pulled out, come on either get off the pot or Sh*t .... on some other thread
Heard Mike Kerley is absolutely dying to get back into EL management, as is Alan Reynolds. I'll lay odds with anyone that one of them will be in charge at the start of next season.
I'm a big fan of Kerley's but if the option came up to get Reynolds on board I'd take him over MikeQuote:
Originally Posted by PinBallWizard
and Tommy Gaynor and Ski McGee and me and u the list is endless as to who wants to manage in LOI these days as if you have an "A" licence coaching badge you can write your own cheques. Im all for mike but not his assistant, too expensive and crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by PinBallWizard
are we talking about the same m.kerley whose el record reads 4 wins out of 44 games........btw who is his assistant.Quote:
Originally Posted by gael353
Trevor Lavelle I presume??
I think we're talking about the one who got us to the playoffs and lost to Derry on a shoestring budgetQuote:
Originally Posted by Fairkop
Yeah, but that one inherited a cracking squad from the butcher and wasn't on the shoestring budget until the following season, when his true abilities came to the fore....Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
This old discussion again. Do you think the Butcher could have brought the team to the playoffs that year, particularly playing on the ground football? I don't, I reckon we would have ended up in mid table again with NOC in charge. And true abilities? So you won't give Kerley credit for managing a team that reached the playoffs? Even if he did have a cracking squad he still had to guide them there ffs, and thats not even mentioning that Arsene Wenger himself wouldn't have been able to do any better with Limerick the following year. I remember a time when a few of us were only half joking to one of the then chairmen that we might have to sign registration forms so Limerick would at least have some subs. The time Kerley was given to assemble a squad, and the money he was given to assemble it with completely negates that season in my bookQuote:
Originally Posted by PinBallWizard
in fairness he did manage that team to the playoffs...ground football..not so sure about that,as for the following season mikes preseason inactivity left lot to be desired,...mind you he did make sure his own contract was secured with a nice sum despite the lack of money which is one of the reasons you ...nearly made the professional grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Ah, come on now.
That year we finished bottom: the bulk of the team from the previous season were gone, because having got to the play-offs other clubs with money to pay wages snapped them up with tempting deals (at least, more tempting than what was on offer at LFC). The squad was so small that Kerley himself played quite a lot of football that season (in defence). Also, you had keepers playing outfield, defenders playing in midfield, strikers playing in midfield, etc. These were necessities just to make up a full team!
The fact that the squad consisted of only 15 or whatever players is hardly the fault of the manager. The money simply wasn't there.
I would have liked Drew to have kept him on. But Drew had bigger ideas!?!?
spot on RonQuote:
Originally Posted by redron
So, all it takes to be a manager is money then, is it? Christ ye have a very perverted view of football management. The man was a failure with a super squad (unless of course you clowns consider getting to a play off final and losing it badly to be a success) and then an even bigger failure in everything he did the next season bar making sure his own wages were paid.
The problem that season was most of the players that were available to him were not of League of Ireland standard. A manager cannot turn a mediocre player into a good player. A manager can play a supportive role in helping a player achieve his full potential, but development of a player's skills has more to do with the talent and dedication of the player himself. This is particularly the case with amateur/part-time players.
The reality is, that squad's potential was very limited. In one-on-one situations, so many of those players were simply outclassed by their opponents.
So, a manager can only manage the players that are at his disposal.
And this applies to McGee too. (Although this is not an excuse for Ski: he has made numerous decisions that I disagree with.)
While there have been a few (very few) who have had consistent criticisms of McGee's tactics and vision, for the most part, while the results were going our way, most people were very quick to heap praise on the manager. In my opinion, we had quite a lot of luck on our side in the first half of the season (draws from games we might have lost, wins from games where we deserved no more than a draw), but our luck seems to have run out now. Despite this, it is still possible for us to make the play-offs, and we're still in the Cup.
you may not have to wait long to see this happen, if Limerick are beaten by Longford in the cup Ski will be heading to Athlone, an Athlone Town player told me that.
im guessing here but could it be the weekend of the 22nd? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by superhero