When will League of Ireland be able to pay players a decent wage. Many travelling long distances for very little reward. Does minimum wage legislation apply?
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When will League of Ireland be able to pay players a decent wage. Many travelling long distances for very little reward. Does minimum wage legislation apply?
Whats a decent wage to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by new blue
If your full-time you will mostly likely be making a good wage.
If your part-time you will probably have another job or be in school, so your probably not doing to badly out of that either.
Stupid question.
Players are paid what they're worth. If they don't like the wage, no-one's forcing it on them,
When barstoolers like you get up off your ass... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by new blue
How much does wexford pay their players? :rolleyes:
They're being paid expenses only. However, I hear that a few of the lads are living comfortably off it.
who is this League of Ireland you want to pay the players, players are paid by clubs and are paid what clubs can afford what they are worth and are not forced labour you silly boyQuote:
Originally Posted by new blue
I know you may not have the ability to deal with the substance of the question without personal attacks you intelligent boy. It just struck me that the rights of the players need to be considered as well
Don't judge every EL team by your own standards. Just cos ye only pay expenses doesn't mean every player in the league is on a crap wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by new blue
The budget in Cobh is 2500k per week...this was cut back this season as we couldn`t afford any more..seems to have worked bigtime..off loaded the high earners to other clubs and briught in good young lads...has worked well 2nd in League behind Dundalk who are said to have a huge wage bill....maybe other clubs should take note
Is that 2500k just players wages Rams-07 or does include everything?
There is a standard contract agreed between the PFAI and the FAI/LOIQuote:
Originally Posted by new blue
Their rights aren't in question. If they are underpaid or undercompensated they are in the minority as far too mnay players get paid far too much
Just wages, was over double that the past few years..........Quote:
Originally Posted by fitzknows
our wage bill is approx 5k a week, for the entire club (staff, players, backroom, etc.). To answer the original question, the fulltime players in the league are all well paid, as are most of the part-timers, remember the lower half of division one should be grateful for the opportunity to play league football
Hope your platers will be grateful to be there next season after Dundalk beat ye in the play off:p:p:pQuote:
Originally Posted by half_full
You mean when Dundalk win the league, the FAI will still fcuk them over and make them play off with a mid table premier division team;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rebel Ram
I believe Shels were paying each player somewhere in the region of eleventy billion euro...thats a serious guesstimation
Here here Dodge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Relative to the attendances players in the League are over paid.
Players are being paid as much as the clubs can afford (or more in some cases...) with current income levels. End of topic!
No that sounds about right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Theskinloyal
Players on this Island get paid a lot more than their abilities in a lot of cases. I think no decent player at a good side could complain.
Incidently Linfields wage bill was £550k for the year. I don't know if that would be classed as big in the South. But it is probably the biggest budget in Northern Ireland(excluding Derry City, as they have no bearing on IL football)
Is that gross or net? If its net, multiply by 2 to get your real wage bill. If its nett then thats some achievement - 20 players, manager and backroom team on an average of 200 gross per week....I have my doubtsQuote:
Originally Posted by half_full
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by new blue
wexford youths are the only team who ask their players to be amateurs afaik.
tbh most clubs are paying their players what they are worth and maybe even more in some cases.
what is a decent wage. i would think decent would be the 'average' industrial wage which is probably about €25,000 a year for a full time employee. or a gross wage of €500 a week.
most full time players would get this at least i'd say with part-timers getting €300 or so a week in addition to their other wages!
these lads are doing ok for what they do and then you have to big players probabley pulling anything up to €3,000 per week.
well I hope your not employing anyone
just before March the AIW for the republic was just at €620 a week (thats average from 19 year old line worker to 50 year old manager)
or €31K a year
http://www.cso.ie/releasespublicatio...nt/indearn.pdf
if full time players are getting paid that gross then its not an especially rich bounty. however its not the most time consuming employment.
i honestly had no idea the AIW was that high!!! no wonder so many factories are closing!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by green-blood
as you say it is not exactly the most time comsuming employment. with probably not more than 12 hours of 'work' per week compared to 39.7 from the AIW link you provided. granted they have to travel to games but compare this to the endless hours commuters spend daily in traffic/travelling and they are not hard done by at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by green-blood
definately not, as was insuinated by original poster, lining up at the fair employment tribunal anyday soon anyway!!!
I guess there are two ways of looking at this- you can compare footballers with other workers, add up the hours and perhaps decide that they're rather hard done by.
On the other hand you can compare with them with the many thousands of sports people who put the same time and commitment into sports and end up out of pocket for the privilege and they look to have a pretty feckin sweet deal.
i think if you go down the route of counting the hours then you will find that footballers are doing very well out of the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
i know there is a fair few players on full-time contracts, who are at the lower end of the ability scale, yet are getting paid better that the average industrial worker on a weekly basis never mind an hourly rate!!
Maybe its gone a bit over the 5k a week, but not by much. A few of the backroom on just expenses as are the U-21'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Ronnie
maybe your right most players are working a twenty hour day sewing footballs and making rugs for the far east markets poor ladsQuote:
Originally Posted by new blue
True, but the people talking about minimum wage etc would be looking at players on very low part time money.Quote:
i think if you go down the route of counting the hours then you will find that footballers are doing very well out of the whole thing.
15 years to make their money, i dont think thats the case somehow dodge.Quote:
Their rights aren't in question. If they are underpaid or undercompensated they are in the minority as far too mnay players get paid far too much
that figure of 2500k a week im assuming is way wrong? thats 2.5 million.is it 2500 euro a week divide it by 15 or what? that sounds like very little to me....
Different teams Paul. I'd guess the likes of Drogs, pats and Bohs would have a playing budget of roughly €20K per week. 5/6 players would probably take half of that with the rest of the squad getting the other half
I meant they were getting too much as the clubs cannot afford to pay such high wages with such low crowd levels (and more importantly income)
ya thats relative i spose to the teams but i was coming from the player perspective, most people in industry have 40 yeras to make their living.....players really only have 15 at most to last for that same period of time. At the age of 35 it must be difficult to get back into mainstream working, there are only so many coaching and backroom jobs going anywhere...
Yeah but there are only so many pro footballers. Vast majority in this country have a day job. Even at Pats half the squad have a real job too. Some them have high paying jobs and then get €500-800 a week extra with their part time football wage
up untill relatively recently most clubs were part-time so players just kept on doing what they were doing for the day job when they finished their football. obviously now there are more full-time clubs out there but it is still a new enough phenomenon in this country. i would expect wages will rise over time as the league appears to be going in the right direction. already there are a good few players on fairly high wages and there are a fair few players who may appear to be getting low wages but in reality are lucky to be earning a living from the game at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
yes, wages may seem low in comparison to britain but i think that it is generally accepted that mid level footballers are grossly overpaid there. in fairness i'm not of the opinion that footballers need to get paid vast amounts and feel it is pretty fair what they earn in this country.
Most clubs are still part-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
I'd guess Derry's was in the £800k bracket (plus or minus £50k).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruce
Thankfully some of the useless clowns signed by Fenlon have moved on quickly.
If you believe what you hear, there are quite a few players around the League on E1,500 a week or more (in their hand), which when compared with attendences and revenues is ridiculous and unsustainable in the long-term.
do clubs publish their accounts on their websites? where can one find this information?
Clubs don't really make the figures available, at least not detailed ones, but you can get a lot of them through the CRO. A few of the UCD lads could point you in the right direction.
UCD have had several amateur players in recent years. Seán Finn, Pat Kavanagh and Bogdan Oprea spring to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
You wouldn' really get detailed info on wages in club accounts as most file abridged accounts, which don't include any info on the P&L account. Bohs are an exception due to their legal status (think their wage bill was about E900k for 2005), but you won't find much info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
On a technicality, I think scholarship players count as amateur as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu