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Any chance the GAA could cut down on the cheering & shouting before the National Anthem is finished?
Republicans me arse. Its disrespectful & insulting.
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The GAA should take a leaf out of the way the Anthem was sung for foreign games at Croke Park in particular the Ireland v England rugby international.
Jesus any reason to have a go at the GAA........Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
How many Cork fans do you reckon are in Thurles today?? :rolleyes:
Yes, every sport should aspire to a rugby type athmosphere.............Quote:
The GAA should take a leave out of the way the Anthem was sung for foreign games at Croke Park in particular the Ireland v England rugby international
Yep cos that never happened at an Ireland football game!
Dont care when or where it happens it is disrespectful. Ffs what difference will a few seconds make.
Its more obvious at GAA games because of the frequency its played.
Ive been at plenty of GAA games and have never joined in with it. Sing/Mumble/stay quiet til the end of the anthem then go mental if you want
Also the fact that it's only a blinkin songQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
I mean, what does it really represent in this day and age??
Obviously not much to you but it means a lot to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I think all national anthems should be respected but thats just a personal view.
Granted the words may be outdated but I dont think thats really the point, its a symbolism thing, this is the song that was chosen to represent our country and I will espect it because of it. As I would any song that was named as our anthem.
Is it really that upsetting?? Or is it just another (pathetic) stick to attempt to beat the GAA with??Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
That is an absolute nonsense.Quote:
I think all national anthems should be respected but thats just a personal view.
Off the top of my head, supposing you're a Croat and you're playing a match against Serbia. Would you respect their anthem??
I have never used anyhting to beat the GAA considering Im a member of a GAA club and a player :rolleyes: Who said anything about it ebing upsetting. No ones breaking into tears or anything I simply find it disrespectfulQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I would hope that I would yes. Of course its kind of hard to imagine the actual situation. As i said i believe all anthems should be respected. How is that nonsense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I didnt claim that Croats believe all anthems should be respected I said I did :rolleyes:
I don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
Who's right?? Who knows??
Is it important?? Nope
I was just responding to yet another rubbish anti-GAA thread, didn't mean to offend anyones sensibilities if i did
Fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Not to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Obviously every thread that mentions disagreeing with something within the GAA is anti-GAA.....Jesus Christ cant people just have opinions on individual things without being pro or anti.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Offended anyone? :D Why would I be offended because you disagree?
I was just responding to yet another rubbish "this is anti-GAA" post, didn't mean to offend anyones sensibilities if i did.
you have offended my sensibilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
Okay could have been a bit clearer this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
Suffering from (an ironically enough GAA inspired) hangover
My point (I think) is that it's a bit unfair focusing on the GAA.
It's Irish sports fans in general who are the problem, the majority of whom are day tripping yokels
One thing I would say though is that I don't think the national anthem and that old IRA-drilling parade before every game are really necessary
It smacks of the worst kind of Republicanism
I get your point.Thats why I said in my first ppost in all situations but it is more obvious at GAA games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Personally Id prefer if the anthem was just kept for finals and internationals. its a bit much every game.
i think lim was more having a go at pete than anyone else, as at every turn or opportunity he is gaa bashing.
Is my point not valid?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Maybe if people could acknowledge the point then maybe that would be the first step to preventing it?
:o
What exactly were the crowd doing in the first place pete?
just like crowd trouble at EL games pete, that is a very good point.
TBH it doesnt bother me much, because its within Ireland, if it was outside in a competitive international of any kind then it would.
The funny thing is that at 2.30 in the morning it gets more respect than at these matches....
The way opposition fans try to out do each other by cheering for their team before the end of the anthem so the anthem is drowned out. It starts with maybe 30 seconds to go & seems to start earlier every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
pete, why do you watch these matches when you dont even like GAA? OR do you just watch the first few minutes so you can have something to give out about?Quote:
The way opposition fans try to out do each other by cheering for their team before the end of the anthem so the anthem is drowned out. It starts with maybe 30 seconds to go & seems to start earlier every year.
I was in Croke Park yesterday and I must say I was surprised that the cheering didn't start until nearly the very last word of the anthem. I have a feeling it's because they had the words up on the big screen and everyone was concentrating on trying to read them. Makes a change from mumbling and pretending you know them. :)
If they start before the end of the words, I'd consider it disrespectful but if they start it just after, I don't mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
I had the TV on in the background when i think Donegal v Tyrone came on...Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Why wouldn't he be?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Yes...................... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Republican has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
You are dead right about the cheering being disrespectful and insulting, the humming is bad enough.
IMO, AnbF should be restricted to all Ireland finals and maybee at provincial finals.
You can't reasonably compare anthems at inter county games to the Internationals, still should be respected though.
its our national anthem thats why,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
i suppose you have no respect for our flag too (the one with the three colours by the way;)
Interesting topic, I wonder how many people would be in favour of a change in Anthem? "Mid Cannons roar & Rifles peal we'll chant a soldiers song" It's hardly the words for or representative of the "new" Ireland.
Personally I wouldn't be bothered if it changed, but what to would be the question.....
Not everyone pays mindless respect to a few patches of colour just because it 'represents' the arbitrary nation state they were born in.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
We are talking about mindfull respect and mindless disrespect.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Because of course there's nothing between.
Nationals anthems are outdated across the world but they're the national anthem. They wont change. Scotland, Sweden, American, Danish, all written in the past about historical wars etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
You cant just change the anthem to suit a period of time Ffs
Why not? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
I notice the Germans have changed the words to theirs for some reason. Hey, maybe that's the extreme case, but the Australians changed theirs - for some reason, they no longer want God to save their Queen! The Russians changed theirs too. They're no longer fans of the unbreakable union of the Soviet state, Lenin only knows why. The Ukranians changed theirs because they thought it was a bit too depressing. DEPRESSING? Bloody hell! At least it isn't a soldier's song.
On a lighter note, Bill Bailey thinks the British anthem needs to be changed.
All of those countries were going through massive changes in their country. End of Communism/Nazism etc. And Australia only got their own, not borrowing someone elses.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
It just wouldnt be feasible to change the anthem.
I think the best way to make the anthem inoffensive is to remove the lyrics. Whoever wants to sing them can, if they can remember them. ;)
no, you are right must countries dont have flags, or anthems or nations:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
You support the war in Iraq?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
EDIT: Oh, wait, what I just wrote has no relevance at all to what I quoted. Silly me.
You would have to explain better about the inbetween response bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
In the context of the anthem being played at games, if you don't like the anthem or don't relate to it at all or feel down to your bones that you just happen to be born in this country because the stork ran out of steam, then what would be an appropriate response? - imo probably respectfull silence.
For me, I can respect our past, I don't live in it. National identity does not fit into just one uniform.
The whole point of an anthem is the lyrics, the music is secondary.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
I may be old fashioned, but I take great pride in singing Amhran na bhFiann when it is played at any sporting event.
Whether you agree with the words is irrelevant, the national anthem of any country is something that every citizen of that country should be proud of.
When I lived in London watching GAA games in pubs on a Sunday, it used to irritate the english in the pub like mad, when the 'paddies' spontaneously got to their feet and stood for our national anthem, even if many of them did not sing it.
It disappoints me the quite large number of Irish people who do not know the words of AnbF.
A good friend of mine with whom I have being going to Ireland matches for twenty years or more, still does not know the words or makes no effort to read them from the programme or from the big screen at CP. Strangely enough, we went to a funeral recently and he was quite happy to pick up a hymn book and attempt to sing a hymn when he neither knew the words to or the tune!
Still, if people can't be bothered then that is up to themselves. I will be happy enough as long as at international soccer games and GAA games we never resort to 'Ireland's Call' or any other such condescending PC crap. I'd nearly rather sing GSTQ!
Easy there Superhoops. I can recommend a toll free helpline if you need it.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops