How many clubs in the league use squad numbers. Why do all of them not use them? Galway Utd don't use them
Apologies if this has been discussed previously
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How many clubs in the league use squad numbers. Why do all of them not use them? Galway Utd don't use them
Apologies if this has been discussed previously
Only 3 teams as far as I know use squad numbers in the Carnegie Premier League. Linfield, Portadown and Lisburn Distillery. I don't understand the reasoning behind teams not using squad numbers in this day in age. Maybe managers use its as psycology so that players must play consistently well if they wish to keep their chosen number.
all of the CPL sides in the Setanta Cup have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graemerz
Bohs also use them.
Bray have squad numbers this season.
I asked the same question on the Galway Utd forumn. One of the replies suggested Utd can't have them due to sponsership on the back of the shirts.
Not sure about Wexford Youths but I did hear recently that squad numbers had been finalised and would be used.
It makes sense from a supporters point of view, especially for a new team like Wexford, it will help people to identify the players.
I suppose additional cost would be the main reason for clubs not to do it.
squad numbers doesn't have an impact on sponsorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumac
This is the list
Bohemians
Bray Wanderers
Cork City
Derry City
Drogheda United
St Pats Ath
Cost is probably a big factor with a lot of clubs.
Anyway, I like 1-11 on jerseys. How it was/should be.
UCD don't use them. I don't see any reason why they should be used. I agree with noby.
Would effect name though if you are putting it above squad number.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
I don't understand that reasoning behind that logic. Now's no different to 20 years ago in reality, but nobody was fussed about squad numbers then. I think they're just borne out of people wanting their team to look like the teams they see on telly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graemerz
I remember Sligo in 2004 had squad numbers for the first half of the season and then, as they had a large squad turnover, they ended the season with the names covered with masking tape as they couldn't afford to keep on making jerseys.
The notion that you can't identify players without squad numbers is nonsense also. It's often hard enough to make out a number, let alone a name, during a game without watching a player for a minute or two until he turns around and missing what's going on. Teams without squad numbers often play the same players in the same numbers anyway (e.g. Tony Mac is always number 6 for us, no matter where he plays), so there's no problem identifying players. And recognising players by physical features (i.e. the baldy lad, or the lad with the spiky blonde hair who's not Ronan Finn) is fairly easy after a few games.
Drogheda manage alrightQuote:
Originally Posted by Sumac
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Should we add a poll?
We have a PR problem in this league - the most recognisable personalities are all loudmouth ex-managers. Anything that helps identify the actual players, particularly with the added live TV coverage, among casual observers is a good thing IMO.
Squad numbers like players having a huddle before the game are all a load of nonsense.
Remember seeing some player in Seria A wearing 99 a few years back. Preposterous stuff. 1-11 is the way it should be. Just cos the premiersh1t started it do we have to ape it?
However if clubs can sell more jersies because of it all the better!
KOH
Just out of interest's sake - did you ever see anyone in an eL jersey with a name and number on it? Very rare, as far as I can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
I agree with Jerry The Saint that any PR or recognisability is good for the league. I just don't think this gives good PR or recognisability.
i don't think we make enough of it. Around Drogheda you see a few though. I think they do them in their club shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I've also seen a few GAA jerseys with name and numbers on them. It just goes to show you can still print and sell the jerseys, and play in 1-11 numbers.
I think squad numbers should be made compulsory for all Eircom Premier league clubs. Makes the league look more professioinal. The numbers should be universal. What I mean no matter what brand the jersey is (umbro, diadora, oneills etc) the numbers should be the same. like SPL and Premiership.
it means kids can then start buying jerseys with their favourite players. I think it makes the league more appealing aswell.
The SPL does it and kids fom Falkirk for example can buy their favourite players numbers.
I think it would be a positve step.
See, the problem there is you've offered no back-up at all as to why it'd look more professional. You just think so because you've seen it on the telly. People running around in 99 or 81 doesn't look more professional - it looks silly and Americanised. We've already suggested that people actually aren't buying jerseys with squad numbers, yet you blindly say kids will buy them, again without a shred of proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave77
Seriously, squad numbers have to be about the most deluded fad going.
hardly a fad, if its been going about 15 years in some leagues. And the lack of squad numbers does point to a small time league. People easily influenced see dquad numbers in England, Scotland, France, Spain, Italy, Germany etcQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
They see 1-11 on their local amateur teams and in the LOI. And all the "why do we have ape premiership" rubbish in the world doesn't stop the majority of people in this country comparing us to them constantly. Its not the most important thing but all these little small things add up.
The reasons I'd give for them are that it'd make it easier for new fans, particularly kids, to latch onto players names. Oh yeah and back when we had them, loads of people had names and numbers on their jersies
Agreed, what's the problem with trying to sell more replica jerseys, allowing kids the chance to wear the same shirt as their hero, it comes under 'improved marketing' surely?
Yes, but Glens and Dungannon only use them in the Setanta Cup though. Domestically they just wear 1-11. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
But this improved marketing can surely be done without going to squad numbers. As I illuded to earlier, I see plenty of Waterford Hurling jerseys with 'McGrath' and '6' on the back. Moving to squad numbers won't necessarily sell you more jerseys.
Also, they might not confuse the referee, seeing the name and the number on the shirt :D
Whatever about squad numbers names are a bad idea, because players move clubs very frequently and so it would cost clubs a fortune in jerseys, especially towards the end of the season when younger players are given a game, and it looks really rubbish when you have names taped over
No, but it'll cost somebody an extra €20 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by noby
It may not sell more jersies but it absolutely makes it easier for new fans (and again I stress the kids angle here) to identify with players
And we're not competing with the GAA, we're competing with football in other countries. They set the benchmark for everything, and wherever we don't match up, we're seen as inferior.
Personally it doesn't bother me in the slightest but go to any big european club shop and see what numbers and names can do for their "marketing"
Thats the reason why most clubs don't do it (I know it definitely was the reason Pats didn't do it the last few years). Which in fairness lends itself to the amatuerish argumentQuote:
Originally Posted by monutdfc
Amatuerish or not, when money is tight squad jerseys can only be seen as a luxury. This is evident in the clubs that have dabbled in it, usually returning to 1-11 numbering.
After bringing my nephew to a few games, I understand the yoof angle, but sometimes you have to be practical too.
I totally understand that point of view BUT if we're looking at any small steps that will help us market the game and players better to kids, this is one of those small things
But you can have numbers without names. All clubs will have 1-16, not many have first team squads much bigger than, say 22-24 players so that's only 6*3 = 18 extra shirts. makes it much easier to identify players on the opposition side.
Does it though? Seriously? I've never noticed people at UCD games having a problem identifying players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I take your point about barstoolers comparing us to the Premiership, but then I'm one of those who doesn't think we should change just because it's the cool thing to do, so that reason doesn't register with me unfortunately.
The people who go every week? This is designed to help kids and casual supporters. I've been at plenty of games where I've heard people going "Who's that guy?", "Good ball No. 7" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The main benefit is for TV coverage - some kid tunes in, sees a game he likes but doesn't know any of the players. Then a couple of weeks later, the same team is on and he sees the player's name again. Starts to build a brand image of the players - goes to a few games, gets the jersey with his favourite player's name etc.
It's a big problem that many players in this league are only stars in their own minds. As I said Roddy, Dolan, Healy etc. are the recognisable faces of the game and this will do nothing to encourage new fans. :eek:
The implication here is that the kid gets the player's name from the back of his jersey? Would have thought listening to the commentator say the name would have been far more effective than squinting your eyes at the screen in the off-chance that you get a legible full view of the name on his back, to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
Dundalk use them
Nope we've had squad numbers for a few seasons now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graemerz
I know that if a team qualifies for Europe that do not use names and numbers, they have too.
Dont like it myself tbh, turnover of players at waterford would make it unrealistic, even managers names would turnover every 4 months;)
i got foy 3 on the back of my shirt:)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu