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"Thank you, leave."
- The message from the Czech paper Blesk to manager Karel Bruckner after a less-than-convincing 1-0 win over Cyprus.
"Bruckner, next time let the prostitutes play."
- Another message to the Czech manager after the Cyprus game, in reference to suggestions that his players spent an evening in the company of ladies of the night.
Looks like Karel Bruckner is not the flavour of the month in the Czech Republic.
...and he's on half the money Stan get's, has actual managerial and coaching experience and on the face of it -can actually manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceirtlis
Just wondering would this be an incentive to stan and team ,if a few ladies of the night were on offer for say a point against Checks! might work !:
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Originally Posted by hamburg paul
i hear they only take cash. :D
..there experience will be with punters who can score though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hamburg paul
Man, he gets them to their first World Cup and he gets this? Damn.
The 1934 World Cup Final ???Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
Didnt realise he was that old.
He has to go so !
didnt bobby play in that one?Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Yep, right full.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
Of course England didnt enter the thing because they wanted to hold on to their unofficial Best team in the World crown until at least the '50's.
Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic are not the same thing, as we are in a group with both countries it split into I would hope you knew that (its like saying Montenegro has been to the World Cup)Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
next thing you're going to say is the iron curtain is gone.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
Damn, some of you folks aren't to bright are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Murpholini
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_R..._football_team
http://www.rsssf.com/tablest/tsje-intres.html
Now, do the math, how many times has the Czech Republic been to the World Cup? And to go further, who was their manager during all of qualifying and during the entire first tournament?
For those of us who haven't taken World History yet, here are a few helpful links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovakia
The Czech Republic national team is considered to be the sucessor of the Czechoslovakia national team - any achievements by the former belong to the latter - its not wholey ignorant or inaccurate to call them Czechoslovakia, just a bit dated. Anyone who knows boxing knows Larry Merchant always slips up with West Germany and no one says he needs to take a world history class.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
The Czechoslovakian team that won the European Championship in 1976 was primarily made up of Slovakian lads (I think 8 of the 11).
I suppose if we had a united Ireland team in 2 years time, you could say that we have been to 6 world cups and 2 european championships(2 ROI, 1 NI), with a little star on our profile stating that the Republic beat the North on penalties in the most captivating European Final of all time in 2008, with Kevin Kilbane netting the winner. :D
...what Bungle said.Quote:
Originally Posted by danonion
...oh ...and you're wrong. ;)
Also -while it's down to common usage issue -I'm fairly sure most Czechs just call the country 'Czech'. Maybe the rest of us should give it a try too.
We don't say 'Republic of Ireland' all that often, nor 'Principality of Wales' nor 'Former Yugoslav Repulic of Macedonia'.
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by danonion
If the Welsh get a result in June it could really pile the pressure on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceirtlis
Can he hold out until September?
The Czech Republic lay claim to the past achievements of 'Czechoslavakia' as they were the dominant of the two states politically, financially etc. Eventhough 8 of the '76 team were indeed Slovaks. This is a bone of contention in Bratislava.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
Its a similar situation in Russia (USSR), Germany (West Germany) and Serbia (Yugoslavia). The USSR team of WC86 was made up entirely of Ukrainians from Dynamo Kiev.
I don't need to take World Cup history, believe me, especially not from a Septic who uses Wikipedia for his research !
Here are a few sites to educate YOU ;
www.fifa.com
www.planetworldcup.com
And we don't need to 'Do the math', we can count over here.
Should this not be too???........Or maybe im not too bright...:pQuote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
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Originally Posted by theworm2345
think someone forgot to use spellczech:DQuote:
Originally Posted by nui-harp
its called czechia, similar to slovakia (which is also just the slovak republic). for some reason its never caught on in englishQuote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
You think I need to be more educated in Czech history? My last name is Czech, I can trace my ancestry back to a small village in Czech Republic, or Bohemia as the region was called where my last ancestor left from there. While I am only as Czech as I am Irish, it still wouldn't make sense to listen to YOU (unless, of course, you are a Czech history major, Czech yourself, or are from where your username would suggest, in which case it would be pretty pointless to argue with you as you would, automatically be at least partially correct) when, I would just have to guess (as your sources seem to be Planet World Cup and FIFA, you probably don't know much of anything about the Czech Republic, Czechoslovakia, Austria-Hungary, Bohemia, Moravia, etc (believe it or not, the name Bohemians is not an Irish name). I probably don't know as much as I should, but I'd guess I know more about it than you (just from reading books, taking a short course on it, etc.) Also, planet world cup does not give you complete histories of the teams, and FIFA takes forever to load so I don't use it. Thus, RSSSF and Wikipedia are the better sources for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Anyway, wouldn't it just be more helpful to just ask a Czech person what they think? Well, I did, I was in Boston (yesterday and earlier today) I was on the T, and I saw a guy wearing a Czech soccer shirt. I asked him what he thought, and he said basically that they are very proud of what the Czechoslovakian team accomplished, but they do not consider their team to be the direct descendant, and he does recognize this World Cup as their first. Please, I hope you will ask a Czech person as well, seeing you as well versed in what Czech people think it shouldn't be hard for you to find one.
P.S. If you did the math, then why didn't you post how many World Cups the Czech Republic has been to like I asked?
You better Czech yourself before you wreck yourself!!!
No, I said World Cup history.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
Really ! Jaysus, next you will tell me that Plzener and Budweisser were not invented in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
Ask ONE person! Thats like asking an Irish person how many Counties there are in Ireland. One will say 32, another will say 26 and another will say he doesnt know. It's all about opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
You are the one who first made the smart comment about 'Do the math' (I did Maths in school but since then I just count:rolleyes: ). By your rationale (East) German players like Matthias Sammer and Michael Ballack cannot be proud of (West) Germany's rich World Cup history ?Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
PS I can see the point that you are making. Maybe you are not making it very well. I am not from Central Europe, I just take a keen interest in European Football, History and Geography. I do hope to be in Bratislava and Praha in September.
At the end of the day, 8 of the of the 11 players in the 1976 European Championships winning team were from Slovakia. :D ;)
Thats been stated numerous times already.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
And 8 of the Irish team that played England in 1990 were not born in Ireland :D
Morris, McCarthy, Houghton, Townsend, Sheedy, Aldridge, Cascarino, McLoughlin.
PS I know McGrath was born in Ealing.
But would you say Slovakia has ever qualified for a major tournament?Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Likewise Ukraine before WC06. Eventhough the majority of the starting 11 in 1986 in Mexico were Dynamo Kiev players. I think Dasaev was the only exception - Spartak Moscow.
In this topic arent the two sort of one and the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
That was a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
That one person means I am at least partially right, because at least a small percent (and he did say many people thought this) believe that. If you ask someone how many counties are in the Republic of Ireland, can the answer possibly be 32? I suppose its all about specificityQuote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Perhaps someone should ask those fellows if they are proud of itQuote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Thats how it usually is :oQuote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
That would be a great time to ask, but I have to guess we won't still be arguing over this :oQuote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Calm down lads.
Can anyone remember the media reaction in 1987 when we only barely beat Luxembourg at home, a late Paul McGrath volley saving the blushes and earning 2 crucial points? Was Jack crucified?
I was in London at the time and have no recollection how it was received. Expectations were lower then I suppose but it would still have been a massive shock.
In fact our home form in that campaign was quite poor, nil all draws against Scotland and Belgium, a narrow win over Luxembourg but a late, great win over Bulgaria.
Twas at all those games. Funny thing was about that time was that the senior players like Brady and Stapo got alot of stick (like Robbieeeee is now) and Jack didnt. The game against Scotland was shocking and the Belgians put ten men behind the ball and scrapped for a point. The win over the dirty cynical Bulgars was not late. We hammered them, eventhough Liamo was sent off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Sorry, by late I meant late in the campaign. I remember it well, Brady was magnificent and his continental style "*** you" to the ref - or was it the Bulgarian? - as he was being sent off was a classic moment.
I was at all but the Luxembourg game myself.
I remember that fully committed clenched fist 'up yours' to the ref after lashing out at the Bulgarian, was that why he got a 4 match suspension? No doubt, the classiest ever sending off for Ireland.
I had always thought that Liam would go on to be our version of Belgium's Van Moer, baldy, plump but still running midfied well into his middle age.
Was at them all myself - the first campaign I attended, so have fond memories of the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
A major shame that Brady was injured / suspended for Euro 88.
If you consider that Lawrenson and Beglin also never got to play in a major finals either.