Chris Turner

he should not be welcome in the eL if found guilty....


(from 11-a-s.com)
Bohemians transfer target Chris Turner, the captain of the Northern Ireland under-21 international team, has been handed bail by a Belfast court following an incident, described by a Crown lawyer as sectarian, in Coleraine last weekend.

The 21-year-old is charged with causing actual bodily harm to a man in an altercation at the junction of Captain Street and Killowen Street in Coleraine.

Lawyer Charles McKay, for the Crown, said: “The victim is from the Roman Catholic community, Turner is from the Protestant community and police investigations suggest this was a sectarian incident.”

Formerly a trainee with English League side Derby County, Turner spent the 2006 season with eircom League Premier Division side Sligo Rovers.

He had been expected to complete a move to Bohs – managed by his former Sligo boss Sean Connor – this week.

Bail conditions imposed by Lord Justice Higgins at Belfast High Court on Tuesday include a 10pm curfew and the proviso that he reside at his home address in Articlave, Co Derry – although he can apply to have the latter condition altered should his move to Bohs go through.

[QUOTE=Merc67;611019]he should not be welcome in the eL if found guilty....


...and if he is innocent :confused:

Why would Bohs even consider signing him now after this (if it is true ?)

My understanding of the situation was that Turner was the victim of the sectarian abuse. He was called an orange b*****d or something to that effect. This does not excuse the fact that he assaulted some guy, but this thread suggests he should not be welcome in Eircom League grounds because of the sectarian abuse. Thoughts?

The court heard Turner claimed in a police interview the man had called him an "Orange b*****d".

I hope we keep him despite all this , he is a wonderful prospect and Sean "Satan" Connor was desperate to get his hands on him for Bohs , Linfield were supposed to be interested too.

not going to happen i think gus

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

The court heard Turner claimed in a police interview the man had called him an "Orange b*****d".

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Which justifies abh?

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Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Which justifies abh?

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definately not.

ABH is a serious offense and any person who is involved should face the full rigours of the law, espicially a sports man who has an increased profile in the community.

however this reminds me of a galway intercounty hurler who didn't even receive the proverbial slap on the wrist for a worse assault - allegedly of course :rolleyes:

So are all players that are found guilty of ABH or other serious crimes banned from the Eircom League?

What difference does it make to him playing football? Its a well known fact that a former Derry City player received a suspended sentence for assault last year and there was no furore about it.

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Originally Posted by David

So are all players that are found guilty of ABH or other serious crimes banned from the Eircom League?

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I'm not suggesting that they should. And let's keep in mind that Turner's been found guilty of nothing.

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Originally Posted by David

So are all players that are found guilty of ABH or other serious crimes banned from the Eircom League?

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Surely not, Barry Ferguson was guilty of that several times for Longford on visits to Dalyer but we still signed him.
I know of numerous stories from my native "royal county" of GAA players carrying out acts of ABH and getting away scot free. I wonder if the outraged people here would be on their high horses if some guy did it because he was called a fenian b****rd?

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Surely not, Barry Ferguson was guilty of that several times for Longford on visits to Dalyer but we still signed him.
I know of numerous stories from my native "royal county" of GAA players carrying out acts of ABH and getting away scot free. I wonder if the outraged people here would be on their high horses if some guy did it because he was called a fenian b****rd?

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I agree. Not condoning what he did if indeed he is found guilty but I do think the reaction on here is way over the top.

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Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Which justifies abh?

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Absolutely not.

It does perhaps give greater context to the phrase "sectarian incident".

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Absolutely not.

It does perhaps give greater context to the phrase "sectarian incident".

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That's true. An assault in reaction to a sectarian taunt isn't, of course, in itself sectarian. I suppose the facts will come out in the trial.
I think if he is convicted of sectarian-motivated violence, as opposed to common-or-garden thuggery, then he would be a liability for a club, and that would have to be weighed in any decision to sign him.

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Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns

Why would Bohs even consider signing him now after this (if it is true ?)

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I don't give a **** as long as he does the business on the park!

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Not sure if you know this but the reason Derby let him go was on a night out he beat up a team mate.

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He has some "form" with the fists.

I wonder did the guy he smacked at Derby call him a "Paddy B*****d"?:D

If he wants to sign Galway United we'll take him!

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

He has some "form" with the fists.

I wonder did the guy he smacked at Derby call him a "Paddy B*****d"?:D

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LOL :)

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Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Not sure if you know this but the reason Derby let him go was on a night out he beat up a team mate.

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Too bad we didn't sign him while Gareth Farrelly was with us then.

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Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

Too bad we didn't sign him while Gareth Farrelly was with us then.

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Was thinking the same myself. There were a few 'players' in our squad from last season that could have done with a good clip 'round the lug!

Turner and Dessie Byrne should get on like a house on fire, they can compare techniques.

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

when 4,000 Rovers fans

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Are you serious when you say FANS / 4000 / ROVERS in the same sentence?

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Originally Posted by bohs til i die

Are you serious when you say FANS / 4000 / ROVERS in the same sentence?

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I just presumed the entire post was a fine piece of satire.

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

if this guy boots the fúck out of someone for calling him an orange bástard, i cant wait for the first Dublin derby when 4,000 Rovers fans call him and all his chums the same.

Is it a rite of passage to pull on the black and tan that you have to skin a fenian? :p

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You seem to be advocating sectarianism here. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by David

You seem to be advocating sectarianism here. :rolleyes:

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He's not. Its Bohs/Rovers thing.

Yeah some people in a photo of one of our early sides had handlebar moustaches so in the primitive Rovers mind that means we're a protestant club.

Rovers fans are not sectarians.

Just like Jade Goody is not a racist.

Unfortunately we have seen the bad side of some Rovers fans when they come to Belfast to support Cliftonville when playing Linfield.

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

if this guy boots the fúck out of someone for calling him an orange bástard, i cant wait for the first Dublin derby when 4,000 Rovers fans call him and all his chums the same.

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No doubt many of these 4,000 Rovers fans proudly display the national flag of the Irish Republic at club and international matches.

How ironic.

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Originally Posted by David

You seem to be advocating sectarianism here. :rolleyes:

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We advocate equal opportunities sectarianism -

Lee Feeney, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh
He used to be a Hun
He hates the Bohs scum
Lee Feeney, Oh, Oh Oh, Oh ;)

KOH

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

as long as our reviosionist chums in pigsboro keep denying that their club was founded as part of the British military unit that shot the volunteers in 16 and broke the strikes of 1913, we will keep winding them up.

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Despite the fact that we were founded in 1890 by students you're probably right. God Save The Queen!

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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi

older bozos will remember the rangers shirts their fans used to wear in the 70's too.....

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As opposed to the Celtic ones your crowd still wear... :rolleyes:

Talking of Rangers shirts what does Big Dec have on his cave wall.

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

As opposed to the Celtic ones your crowd still wear... :rolleyes:

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:D :D

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Originally Posted by David

Unfortunately we have seen the bad side of some Rovers fans when they come to Belfast to support Cliftonville when playing Linfield.

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Funny david, but i would have said the cliftonville fans are the ones coming along to rovers games causing trouble, thats what my impression would be over the years, not that rovers have there own fair share following them.

They must have a good deal going between the two sets of fans :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Dodge

He's not. Its Bohs/Rovers thing.

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It's not.

It's sectarian. And it's bigoted. It's a crass attempt, unique to Irish football, and absolutely astonishing to read in the 21st century, to use a narrow vision of national identity as a measure of worth in a football club. His reason for airing it might be 'a Bohs/Rovers thing', but that makes the sentiment no less revolting.

Some hoops -- I'm sure not all -- appear to hold to the belief that it's a mark of shame that the club had some Protestants among its founders. In 1890. I'm not sure if this colours their attitude to Guinness (1759) or Trinity College or any other Irish institutions that weren't founded exclusively by rosary-chanting Gaels.

I'm proud that the club I support had both Catholics and Protestants among its founders. I would be even happier if there were some moslems, jews, atheists and agnostics. I'd be happiest of all if their religious and political beliefs were considered entirely irrelevant.

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It's not.

It's sectarian. And it's bigoted. It's a crass attempt, unique to Irish football, and absolutely astonishing to read in the 21st century, to use a narrow vision of national identity as a measure of worth in a football club. His reason for airing it might be 'a Bohs/Rovers thing', but that makes the sentiment no less revolting.

Some hoops -- I'm sure not all -- appear to hold to the belief that it's a mark of shame that the club had some Protestants among its founders. In 1890. I'm not sure if this colours their attitude to Guinness (1759) or Trinity College or any other Irish institutions that weren't founded exclusively by rosary-chanting Gaels.

I'm proud that the club I support had both Catholics and Protestants among its founders. I would be even happier if there were some moslems, jews, atheists and agnostics. I'd be happiest of all if their religious and political beliefs were considered entirely irrelevant.

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:rolleyes:

I realise that you're a relative newbie to this lark but it is a Rovers/Bohs thing. We'll take any edge going and the ambiguity surrounding Bohs formation and history does the job nicely.

For instance our baiting of Derry fans re. the Queen's shilling and slagging Paul McGrath's alcoholism when he was at Waterford. In Derry's case a lot of us would be politically sympathetic to Derry people but that doesn't stop us. In McGrath's case he's a hero to most Irish football fans but fair game at the same time. See also Roy Keane songs in Cork.

KOH

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

In Derry's case a lot of us would be politically sympathetic to Derry people but that doesn't stop us.

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I presume you are referring to the elected Council members of Derry City Council in Londonderry, as there is of course no such placename as "Derry".

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

:rolleyes:

I realise that you're a relative newbie to this lark but it is a Rovers/Bohs thing. We'll take any edge going and the ambiguity surrounding Bohs formation and history does the job nicely.

For instance our baiting of Derry fans re. the Queen's shilling and slagging Paul McGrath's alcoholism when he was at Waterford. In Derry's case a lot of us would be politically sympathetic to Derry people but that doesn't stop us. In McGrath's case he's a hero to most Irish football fans but fair game at the same time. See also Roy Keane songs in Cork.

KOH

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What a witty group of people you are. Being a relative newbie, this has been lost on me up to now, but my education continues! So you don't really mean it? Or it's only slightly sectarian?
That's probably the most viable position available to someone who would like to keep up this sinister line, but not have to take any responsibility for it. Ironic that it's coming from supporters of a club which itself is being targeted by bigots.