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Please do not bring this off topic. Its not about Rovers or Shels, they are only a comparison. I think we all know what this poll intends to gauge. Its a simple question, if you dont like exercise you right not to vote. Answer honestly is all thats asked.
should that not be a ',' between ro***s and shels instead of a '/' so people know what your talking about?
Voted no.
Rovers: treating them fairly cos they've got their sh1t together.
Limerick: treating them harshly but fairly cos they haven't got their sh1t together.
Shels: letting them off the hook completely despite them not having their sh1t together.
The question is misleading because it is simply not possible to treat Rovers and Limerick equally. Limerick FC is a total disaster with zero potential - Shamrock Rovers is not.
And why does everybody absolutely INSIST on forgetting that it was Rovers' fans who pointed out the irregularaties at the club - thus setting the wheels in motion to oust the incompetent Magoo regime and save the club from extinction?
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Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub
But Rovers only got their sh1t together because they had no choice to get their sh1t together last year. If Rovers could have continued in the same vein that got them into the mess they were in then they would have done so.
Limerick seem to have a backer prepared to do the hard yards to keep them running but the FAI have gone out of their way over recent months to make Limerick's continued existance almost impossible with the lease mess thats gone on.
Limerick may have issues over youth strutures but the Physio stuff is a joke. Bohs dont have any physio at the moment but it wasnt an issue.
Shels are getting away with anything and everything because Delaney has tried to bail them out over the last 16 months [groundshare with Bohs at Dalymount, 3 winding up orders, players not getting paid] so no matter what the situation, Shels wont be under threat.
I think there is a lot of selective sh1t going on with the FAI over who they are prepared to help and who they arent. They should be prepared to treat each club equally without prejudice but they are hugely assiting some clubs and being obstructive to others.
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Originally Posted by khoop
The FAI are the organisation responsible for the sustainment, growth and development of soccer in the Republic of Ireland.
Limerick FC is/was every bit a part of the EL as Shamrock Rovers so should not be treated like sh1t just because in your opinion they havent as much potential as Shamrock Rovers.
What's the point in the licencing if we're going to take sentimental sympathy on every club who can't meet it? Pineapple Stu asked the FAI about the financial aspects of licencing and precarious as their situation may be Shels don't breach it. That's the failings of licencing more than a favouritism towards Shelbourne.
As has been said before, Tallaght is more about protecting their own interests than Rovers'. The SFA assist Queen's Park of Glasgow in maintaining Hampden for their own interests.
Why don't you react to the whole post - and not just the bit that you can twist around. Repeat - Limerick FC is an absolute disaster. They have brought ****-ups and breweries to a whole new level.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
I am not disagreeing that Limerick are in a bit of a mess but to deny them a licence for the first division when there are other clubs who have far more fundamental issues like non payment of wages, winding up orders from the revenue, no ground etc yet still the FAI appears to be doing nothing to make sure this doesnt happen again and instead are trying to force smaller clubs out of the league by rejecting licence applications over things that can be resolved in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by khoop
You just can't resist having a dig at Rovers, can you??? For the purpose of licencing, Tolka counts as Rovers' home ground - just as Dalymount would count for Dublin City if they were still around.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
Regarding Limerick - the FAI have allegedly moved on from the times where they would initially throw a few shapes, before turning a blind eye to failings. Limerick must have known this - but chose to ignore the warnings and hope that a blind eye would be turned again. Letting them stay would be an insult to all the clubs who have spent so much time, money and energy in getting things right.
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Originally Posted by khoop
Witha ll due respect, stating a fact about a club with no home ground is not having a dig.
Limerick are being screwed over by the FAI over relatively minor issues compared to bigger more established clubs who cannot be getting things right if there are winding up orders, non payment of wages on a regular basis etc going on.
Limerick's crimes appear to be
- No physio [can be sorted in the coming months]
- Owe FAI €4000 in fines
- Under age structures need to be sorted out
- Lease on stadium not yet secured
Now given that Shels are trying to sell the lease on Tolka and move as soon as they can, a move that leaves two clubs in need of a new home, the FAI's stance with Limerick is very strange to say the least.
The FAI should be doing everything in their power to develop football around the country, not just in the greater Dublin area.
The poll is invalid as is poor question. If people say No what are they telling us? Some could be saying No because of Rovers, Shels or Shels&Rovers.
Back to Market Research school for A Face.
Limerick are a basket case & ironically helping them would be favourtism which is what everyone doesn't want???
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That's a UEFA fine and for some reason it's for the ground they can't get a lease on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
I've never heard of UEFA fining a club for their ground when it's not even hosting a UEFA game. :confused:
No.
Some people have tried to set up a spurious opposition between helping Rovers and deserting Limerick. The truth is, both should have been helped earlier.
Rovers: Waiting to send in the legal cavalry has opened the door to GAA opportunism and spiteful sabotage.
Limerick: how a national football association can stand by and let a city's club die, then actively try to kill it off, is beyond me. Earlier intervention could have prevented this. How many officials' trips abroad with the 'national' team, and money invested in sending kids to Engerland, would it have taken to rescue the club?
Shelbourne: the insane Dalymount groundshare gambit promoted (and very nearly pushed through) by FAI, and the association's shocking tolerance of the financial standards of the club, convince me that Shels have the inside track in Merrion Square. How can Limerick be turned down for a licence, and Shelbourne, who frequently didn't pay players during the season, and cynically stopped doing so after winning the league, be left in it?
Firstly, the poll is invalid because the FAI are not trying to kill Limerick. Everyone here is misinformed. The FAI are screwing Danny Drew, not Limerick FC. They will not work with Drew and want him out. So they are denying a license to Danny Drews Limerick. However as far as I am aware....
- Adverts will appear in next weeks media for license applications from clubs/consortiums in Limerick. The FAI want a club in Limerick.
- The FAI are in advanced negotiations to secure the lease on Hogan Park and intend to start development work straight away if successful
- Any new Limerick consortium/club who displays a good business plan and club structure will be awarded a license
- The club will play at the FAI's Hogan Park next season
- Unless Danny Drew walks/hands over the club, Limerick FC will cease to be and the new club will operate under a new name
This basically is what is going on. Far from treating Limerick like s**t, the FAI are actually doing what they can to cement a future for Limerick senior football. And if they pull it off, I'll be the first to take my hat off to them. Yes Limerick is a mess as it currently stands. A clean slate is required with links to and input from grassroots football in the county.
The only other thing to say is watch this space..... :ball:
Cork City are currnetly in talks with new investors and while we think the Brian Lennox will stay at the helm, there might be a situation where he wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
What if the FAI were not to like a newly installed chairman of our club? Would we be facing the same scenario? That is something i would not like to see happen, the FAI single out an official in our club and deny the club and existance as a result of this dislike for one official. That does sound good to me at all.
Good post. I don't know the details but too many people here are unable to change & too quick to criticise ther FAI.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Regional LOI/Junior League partnerships is the way forward. Pointless developing competing facilities. Partnership needs to be sold to the junior clubs in terms of grants. What would Turners Cross look like if MFA did not have Cork City as tenants?
The FAI have allowed plenty opportunity to get the practice in, and people ask what have they done to actually change that happening? The ball is most definitely in the FAIs court on this one given their track record, once bitten and all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
For the record, i think the new super duper league is good, it cant be any worse than the old and i would support it all the way tbh.
Junior clubs, that will years ...... look at it, if 22 clubs signing up to something new is problematic (as you would expect) then how will it work with junior leagues/clubs where some of them actively push players to trials etc. in England over joining eL clubs. Bare in mind, this is not the same edition of Limerick (just in this case) in the last few years. Pike Rovers if i am right were frosty (i dunno the full story, just what we picked up) with Limerick renting their ground in recent times.Quote:
Regional LOI/Junior League partnerships is the way forward. Pointless developing competing facilities. Partnership needs to be sold to the junior clubs in terms of grants. What would Turners Cross look like if MFA did not have Cork City as tenants?
Agreed with your point in general and now but given what you quoted in the last post, it is nowhere near happening now. And limerick where junior clubs attitudes precede them, its seems the job would be even harder.
I am all for change and if there is someone better than Drew out there then get the guy in, i'd support it all the way, but right now .... the FAI do not have a plan B, that is some start to the new league? :eek:
Not the correct question to ask at all.
Are they being treated equally ? No.
Should they be treated equally ? No.
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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
But why are they trying to force Danny Drew out then?
But they do, didn't I just explain it to you above? Believe me, you don't know the half of it, and neither do I to be honest. I know that there is more than one interested party, but it gets complicated after that and I'm not saying anymore. Things are happening though, and a deal may even have already been struck.....Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Maybe because he's a head case and doesn't have a clue what he's doing? Because the club is going nowhere with him at the helm? As I said, read the threads in the Limerick forum.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bohs til i die
Did anyone else notice that this poll was mentioned in Mark Gallagher's article on the back page of the Title in the Mail on Sunday?
Well maybe the poll should read "Are the FAI treating Danny Drew and Ollie Byrne equally. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
Its not rovers future thats keeping the fai on side its rovers past. The situation is a joke. Shels are clearly breaking numerous uefa regulations yet have still obtained a premier licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by khoop
bol lox
So rovers are only in te premier becasue of our past... utter tosh
The well told strory is again apt here. THIS shamrock rovers is 18 months old. Has ousted corrupt managment, boards and greedy players, has taken our medicine and relegation, has regrouped, rebuilt and played its way back, a mid table finish in div 1 this season and we woudl be still there. We WON the division in style. We have oneof the best under age systems in the entire league, tie ups form u8 to college level and LSL sides. The only thing holding back THIS Rovers is Talaght. Everyone, icluding the FAI can see the fantastic future Rovers have once Tallght is complete, even teh GAA can see that and they are running scared.
1/2 a league and zero cups so?Quote:
Originally Posted by green-blood
Zero leagues and zero cups. THIS league is only a week old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
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Originally Posted by green-blood
So you're willing to hand back the on-field points gained in the seasons before then:confused: Would Shamrock qualify for the new league without the results gained by the old corrupt board?
BTW, not having a go at SRFC specifically (well not much;) ) but to me it shows again the stupidity of excluding Dundalk for poor results during the same time period when the IAG ranked them above several Premier clubs.
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Originally Posted by BohDiddley
As much as I would love Shels to be bashed over the head with a big stick, I don't think Shels have broke any of the rules in place where Limerick have.
Until Shels get that little bit worse or the FAI add in some new rules then Shels can get away with winding up orders and the late wage payments to players.
Dont know what rules limerick have broken other then haveing a chairman that Delaney and one or two with PROPERTY in mind didnt like.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
There's a massive story here lads but the media havent picked it up yet and its one that will blow yer minds.cant go public with it though sorry :cool: