New team in EL from Fingal

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13/11/2006, 3:04 PM
drummerboy

New team in EL from Fingal

Just spoke to a friend, who is involved in junior football. His club were invited to a presentation given by Fingal Co Co, about the plans for a new club in the Fingal area which will enter the 3rd tier of the EL. The team will initally play in Morton Stadium but will build a new state of the art stadium and training ground based on Ipswich�s training ground. The manager will be Liam Buckley, who was at the presentation. The club has the backing of FIngal Co Co, and local business men. It will expect the local clubs to act as feeder clubs for Fingal FC in return for the free use of the state of the art training facilities.

I haven't read anything in the papers about this. My source is genuine. The presenttions were made in The Plaza hotel in Tyrellstown and a hotel up in the airport. Just wondering has anyone else heard anything about this. Will it affect Bohs move to Harristown and will it affect Shels move to Morton.
13/11/2006, 3:14 PM
ciaraa

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Originally Posted by drummerboy

Just spoke to a friend, who is involved in junior football. His club were invited to a presentation given by Fingal Co Co, about the plans for a new club in the Fingal area which will enter the 3rd tier of the EL. The team will initally play in Morton Stadium but will build a new state of the art stadium and training ground based on Ipswich�s training ground. The manager will be Liam Buckley, who was at the presentation. The club has the backing of FIngal Co Co, and local business men. It will expect the local clubs to act as feeder clubs for Fingal FC in return for the free use of the state of the art training facilities.

I haven't read anything in the papers about this. My source is genuine. The presenttions were made in The Plaza hotel in Tyrellstown and a hotel up in the airport. Just wondering has anyone else heard anything about this. Will it affect Bohs move to Harristown and will it affect Shels move to Morton.

Great, just what the league needs - another dub club.
13/11/2006, 3:20 PM
stickyjoe

Read something about "Fingal FC" a few weeks ago in one of them local Northside papers, never paid much attention to it.

Would imagine it will all come to nothing
13/11/2006, 4:26 PM
Conor H

Another dublin club on top of Rovers,Bohs,Shels,Pats,UCD and pretty much Bray.You also have Drogheda/Dundalk.
If the clowns in Merrion let another Dublin club in then they will show they've learned absoloutle nothing from CHF.Cant' see it happening.
13/11/2006, 4:29 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Another Dublin club would more than likely end in failure. There is too many as it is at the moment anyway.
13/11/2006, 4:30 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by Conor H

Another dublin club on top of Rovers,Bohs,Shels,Pats,UCD and pretty much Bray.You also have Drogheda/Dundalk.
If the clowns in Merrion let another Dublin club in then they will show they've learned absoloutle nothing from CHF.Cant' see it happening.

In the context of a three tier league another Dub club would probably be inevitable

Isn't the "A" League supposed to have 20 something teams :confused:
13/11/2006, 4:47 PM
Jerry The Saint

Yeah, if new teams are brought into the "A" league then more Dublin clubs is inevitable. What's really interesting is...

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Originally Posted by drummerboy

The team will initally play in Morton Stadium but will build a new state of the art stadium and training ground based on Ipswich�s training ground.

Sounds more like an eventual replacement club for Shels than anything else.
13/11/2006, 5:03 PM
Billy Lord

The Fingal County Council is full of self-serving muppet councillors who (give me strength!) want to split from Dublin and make Fingal the 33rd county of Ireland. This Fingal FC would obviously be just ego boost for a right bunch of (pick your favourite insult).
13/11/2006, 5:14 PM
The Sheliban

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Originally Posted by stickyjoe

Read something about "Fingal FC" a few weeks ago in one of them local Northside papers, never paid much attention to it.

Would imagine it will all come to nothing

Hey, I write for "one of them local Northside papers"

Though it wasn't our one.
13/11/2006, 5:27 PM
dcfcsteve

The key bit in that information is that they'd look to join the 3rd tier.

Not the First Division, not even senior football - but the level below that ! As other posters have pointed out, it'd be very difficuly to NOT have any Dub clubs in the 3rd level.

Though at the same time they do sound ambitious. If they did join, make a run of it and advanced up the pyramid, it'd be interesting to see who would get crowded out in North Dublin - as surely 3 senior clubs there would be too many. With Bohs's new found wealth, and Shel's perennial problems, you'd have to feel that the Reds would be the most likely victim of any strong and vibrant up-coming club that manages to develop a proper identity for itself (i.e. not like Dublin City).

Anyways - we'll see if anything comes of this first.

P.S. Isn't it a bit much expecting junior Dublin clubs to travel to a training facility built over an existing one in Ipswich....? :p
13/11/2006, 5:33 PM
passerrby

I was about to say they would not be so stupid but then again
13/11/2006, 5:35 PM
kdjaC

They intend to play in the A League and use Morton, anyone who lives in the area would have got a flyer about it from FCC a while ago.

kdjac
13/11/2006, 6:24 PM
Poor Student

I work in the Fingal area and while you see the odd Bohs or Shels logo, it's as ripe as most places in Dublin to try and establish a fanbase. Following Seery's failure I'd say any such club will focus on representing a narrow area rather than a large one. There's large housing developments on the way there like in Belmayne so there's decent demographics. Like others, I couldn't forsee a third flight without at least one Dublin club. The idea of this third flight should be to try and introduce a pyramid that will crack the hegemony of the same 20 clubs or so and put pressure on clubs at the bottom of the senior level to keep their head above water. There's no harm in new blood if they can run themselves properly.
13/11/2006, 7:34 PM
LukeO

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Originally Posted by Billy Lord

The Fingal County Council is full of self-serving muppet councillors who (give me strength!) want to split from Dublin and make Fingal the 33rd county of Ireland. This Fingal FC would obviously be just ego boost for a right bunch of (pick your favourite insult).

Dublin CC has there fair share of muppets too in fairness, though one less since Fintan Cassidy lost his seat... :D ;)
13/11/2006, 9:45 PM
drummerboy

Seemingly a lot of the junior clubs caused uproar at one of the presentations. They found it incredible to think Fingal would spend so much money on this scheme, when at the same time, some of Fingal's facilities were neglected and in decline.
14/11/2006, 12:12 AM
BohsFans

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Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs

northcounty leader makes regular invasions into meath and it was in it.some councillor looking out on a green field aroung swords talking about building an acadamy to keep our rising stars at home.it mentioned a possibility of an eircom league team in it.

its a bit of a hard place to set up.i work with a good few swords based shels and bohs fans and a good few in balbriggan come up to united park.

The FAI's new academy at Abbotstown would be within 15 miles of this!
14/11/2006, 6:20 PM
Gerrit

How sure is it that the EL will expand to three divisions?

I don't see immediate success for Fingal if they get into the league. It seems awfully close to Shelbourne and Bohs. Why not a second south Dublin team? Especially with Rovers not moving to Tallaght for at least another season, the one remaining catchment area in the capital would actually be the south of the city.
14/11/2006, 8:02 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Gerrit

How sure is it that the EL will expand to three divisions?

I don't see immediate success for Fingal if they get into the league. It seems awfully close to Shelbourne and Bohs. Why not a second south Dublin team? Especially with Rovers not moving to Tallaght for at least another season, the one remaining catchment area in the capital would actually be the south of the city.

Why not - no more senior Dublin teams !?

Please..... !!! :D
14/11/2006, 10:56 PM
Neish

Good news for the people of Fingal, but I would prefer to see a team from outside the pale to join the league.
15/11/2006, 7:49 PM
onceahoop

Does anyone know if it's an existing club or a new club. I'm involved in a fingal club and we heard nothing. Not that were in a position to do anything. THE FCUKERS ARE BUILDING ON OUR PITCHES, THEY WONT RESOD THE GOALMOUTHS, THEY DON'T GIVE A FCUK. THEY JUST WANT 15K FOR EVERY HOUSE BUILT AND THEY WONT PUT IT BACK INTO FOOTBALL
15/11/2006, 8:46 PM
kdjaC

Some silly country people here, if this new A league takes off, where do you think all the home grown players that progress tru the EL will come from?

Who gives a **** if its dominated by Dublin clubs like Crumlin, Cherry orchard etc:
Will it not be better for El and irish football these players have a higher standard to play in week in week out?

last season Crumlin Utd sent 19 players to England from 4 different teams, the rest of the players either play LSL or AUL or nothing (actually pats got O Connor) if this A league provides El clubs with players who are good enough does it matter that they are from Dublin?

kdjac
15/11/2006, 9:55 PM
CollegeTillIDie

Why is there no team being proposed for Meath?

Given the population of Cavan is increasing that might be an option!
15/11/2006, 10:01 PM
strangeirish

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Why is there no team being proposed for Meath?

They keep picking the ball up with their hands!
16/11/2006, 12:47 AM
Student Mullet

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Why is there no team being proposed for Meath?

Drogheda will be required to enter a reserve team.
16/11/2006, 8:56 AM
drummerboy

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Why is there no team being proposed for Meath?

Given the population of Cavan is increasing that might be an option!

Parkvilla in Navan have a great set up. They play in Claremount Stadium. Fine dressing rooms and huge complex. However there is a running track around the pitch.

The problem is they are currently sitting bottom of the 3rd tier of LSL.
17/11/2006, 9:53 PM
onceahoop

Shels will become Fingal FC and will have the new club as a feeder. The Southside will be represented by Rovers in Tallaght and the west will have Bohs. You will then have Drogheda, Dundalk, Monaghan, Sligo, Harps, Derry, Galway, Limerick, Cork, Waterford and eventually Mick Wallaces Wexford all with feeder teams in the lower tier. Who'll make the final cut I don't know but when I expressed my scepticism of the FAI to run the EL properly I was told they would (in no uncertain terms).
18/11/2006, 7:35 AM
CollegeTillIDie

Well there's a bit of history attached to Fingal County Council and their interest in the EL.
They were the last sponsors of Home Farm( immediately post the Home Farm Everton era) before they morphed into Dublin City. So that gives you and idea of a) the level of sponsorship which would be available.

Fingal FC ( or as has been posted above, Shelbourne's new identity) would be a much smaller scale operation than any of the so called Bigger Dublin Clubs.

[QUOTE:]
Originally Posted by drummerboy
Parkvilla in Navan have a great set up. They play in Claremount Stadium. Fine dressing rooms and huge complex. However there is a running track around the pitch.

The problem is they are currently sitting bottom of the 3rd tier of LSL. [/QUOTE]

I believe the Meath and District League were approached with a view to either putting a team representing the League or a new club ala Kildare County into the EL based in Navan some years ago.
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17/12/2006, 8:04 PM
The Sheliban

Looking for comments

My editor wants me to do a piece on this. (I write for the Community Voice, local free paper for the Dublin 15 area) Our local SF councillor has come out against the proposal on the grounds that many local clubs have no facilities at all and that this is just an expensive county-branding exercise using money that would be better used at grass-roots level. Have to say, I'm inclined to agree.
Anybody with a quotable view, preferably though not necessarily from the Dublin 15 area, can they pm me?
17/12/2006, 9:04 PM
Philly

I thought only the Star quoted from Foot.ie! :)
18/12/2006, 10:46 AM
BohsPartisan

I don't like the idea of new clubs. They have no tradition, unless they are formed by a merger of already existing clubs.
18/12/2006, 11:17 AM
sniffa

A state of the art training facility.....based on Ipswich Towns stadium.....
Sounds great but I can see all the GAA clubs in Fingal contacting their solicitors already.
18/12/2006, 5:05 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by drummerboy

Parkvilla in Navan...

The problem is they are currently sitting bottom of the 3rd tier of LSL.

Well as you can see from this table they have played a lot less games that some of the teams above them:

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LSL Senior 1A Sun P W D L F A +/- Pts
Drumcondra 14 8 3 3 28 19 9 27
Newtown Rangers AFC 11 7 3 1 18 14 4 24
Lissadel United 11 6 4 1 18 6 12 22
Leixlip United 9 5 4 0 17 7 10 19
Dalkey United 9 5 2 2 11 7 4 17
St. Mochtas 8 4 3 1 14 8 6 15
Larkview Boys 11 4 2 5 13 12 1 14
Loughshinny United 11 3 5 3 13 14 -1 14
Beggsboro 15 3 4 8 16 25 -9 13
Edenderry Town 9 2 3 4 9 14 -5 9
Whitehall Rangers 7 1 4 2 5 7 -2 7
Trinity S & L 14 1 4 9 13 24 -11 7
Parkvilla 9 1 2 6 9 16 -7 5
Garda 8 1 1 6 10 21 -11 4
18/12/2006, 5:12 PM
passerrby

a bit off track but heard a rumour that shels will be the anchor tenant in abbotstown could this be possible
18/12/2006, 5:13 PM
Drumcondra Red

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

I don't like the idea of new clubs. They have no tradition, unless they are formed by a merger of already existing clubs.

All clubs have to start somewhere...
18/12/2006, 5:16 PM
niallsparky

There are already more than enough Dublin teams Irish football. This is one reason for our low attendences. Compare it to Manchester for example. About the same population, with only 2 clubs.
18/12/2006, 5:21 PM
Drumcondra Red

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Originally Posted by niallsparky

There are already more than enough Dublin teams Irish football. This is one reason for our low attendences. Compare it to Manchester for example. About the same population, with only 2 clubs.

Yeah nice comparison!!! :rolleyes:
18/12/2006, 9:09 PM
HulaHoop

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Originally Posted by niallsparky

There are already more than enough Dublin teams Irish football. This is one reason for our low attendences. Compare it to Manchester for example. About the same population, with only 2 clubs.

Manchester United
Manchester City
Bolton
Wigan
Oldam Ath
Stockport County
Bury
Rochdale

all within Greater Manchester area.
18/12/2006, 9:22 PM
stevieontour

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Originally Posted by passerrby

a bit off track but heard a rumour that shels will be the anchor tenant in abbotstown could this be possible

This would make most Sense for Shels.

Massive Polulation and Bohs moving away from the area.
19/12/2006, 9:09 AM
incident

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Originally Posted by niallsparky

There are already more than enough Dublin teams Irish football. This is one reason for our low attendences. Compare it to Manchester for example. About the same population, with only 2 clubs.

That comparison is pointless as the context is totally different.

The City of Manchester (containing 1 professional team) has less than 1% of the population of England. Even Greater Manchester (with 8 professional sides) only contains around 5% of the population.

Dublin City by itself accounts for significantly more than 10% of the population of the country. Include County Dublin, and it rises to more than 25% (and that's before you even add in nearby areas like Kildare, Wicklow, etc).

Sure there's a lot of Dublin sides in the league, but then there's a lot more people in Dublin (and the surrounds) than anywhere else in the country. Having so many Dublin sides is just a consequence of that.
19/12/2006, 6:38 PM
BohsFans

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Originally Posted by stevieontour

This would make most Sense for Shels.

Massive Polulation and Bohs moving away from the area.

Minister for sport gave an assurance THAT NO el CLUB would play out of the new campus there!

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