earlier this morning saddam hussain and 2 of his aides were found guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging
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earlier this morning saddam hussain and 2 of his aides were found guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging
Good. Now lets put Bush and his daddy on trial too so they can go down with their old buddy.
Disgrace
The victors of conflict will always write history I guess
the world hated Sadamm, he was a powerhungry ego maniac, and a danger to the middle east
the world hates Bush, he is a powerhungry maniac, and a danger to the whole world
can we expect him to get a bullet any day soon?
Saddam was no more a danger to the Middle East than I amQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Tell that to the Kurds and the Shias.
conveniently timed verdict also, the week of the US midterms. I see Amnesty International have said that the trial was not conducted fairly. I deplore capital punishment in all its forms
I can't they're all dead :oQuote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
I was talking about circa 2000, 2001
Plus if your looking at it from a stability point of view then the Kurds and the Shias were far more dangerous in the Middle East than Saddam
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Originally Posted by Lim till i die
When did the Rovers fans invade Kuwait?
That's soooooooooo early 90'sQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Read a book, think you'll find there was a lot more to that invasion then you see on Sky News :rolleyes:
May I suggest Robert Fisk
I am aware that there was much more than seen on Sky News, but I feel he has comitted a number of terrible crimes, and has been found guilty of them.
I understand there were problems with the court, and by any standard it was not imartial at all, but do you believe that if a fair trial had been allowed, he would have been found innocent?
Here is your answer.............
http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?p=569092#post569092
Post number 24
Congratulations you're foot.ie's leading WUM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Not a threat....are you for real?Really?
To Lim til I die
I agree that he is no more culpable than other heads of state, but he is also no less culpable.
As much as I dislike what is going on in Iraq, I think that he was a leader who was responsible for terrible acts, and he has been correctly found guilty, even if the process was not as fair as I'd like.
Hope he isnt executed as I oppose capital punishment.
I dunno am I Conor, I mean here you are following me around the site passing your lil' comments :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor H
"Not a threat" :confused:
I should hope not son
Indeed he isn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
But surely if your going to be trying heads of state for crimes in the Middle East your going to be at it for the next 20 years just to hit the tip of the iceberg
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Originally Posted by Conor H
until today, I've always found LTID to be pretty fair and clued in. Disagree with him today, but not a WUM I think.
We are talkng at cross purposes I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Was Sadam a greater threat than other leaders whose states didnt have oil?
Absolutely not.
Was the war in Iraq false from the start?
Absolutely.
If we were to believe the current USA rationale for the war, wouldnt the USA have to invade many other, more dangerous countries?
Absolutely. (and they wont).
I am guessing that you and I see eye to eye on a lot more than you think.
Only on the question of whether Sadam is guilty of terrible crimes, I say he is.
Of course I'm not going to even try and deny the fact that he used chemical weapons and torture and suchQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I just think that he did these undoubtedly evil deeds as the head of state of his nation which was under threat.
Many, many people would have done the same in his shoes
History is chock full of countless examples of people doing wicked deeds to "Save the Nation"
I'm afraid I agree with Lim till i die, Saddam wasn't a threat to the Middle East. It had already been proved that he could be contained, he wasn't going anywhere. He was, however, a thread to the Iraqi people. That's a different issue though.
Capital punishment is the easy way out. Saddam should have been jailed for the rest of his life with the most basic requirements to keep him alive.
BTW, this thread is very close to personal attacks already. Any more and I'll lock it.
adam
He was doing it to secure the US Oil supply in the region.
Dont be afraid at all Adam. He makes a fair point!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
Capital punsihment is always the easy way out. I think I have a fundamental problem who believe that murder is such a terrible crime that the only possible punsihment is.......murder.
Aw come on I'm not THAT bad surely :eek: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
It was stomach churning listening to the British Foreign secretary yesterday calling it "a great day for Iraq"Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Really smacked of the old imperial days....... Oh we don't care for capital punishment but it's ok for those savages :rolleyes:
The net effect will heightened tension between the Sunnis and Shias, so if thats great for Iraq I wouldn't like to see what they consider bad for Iraq.
As pointed out he was no threat to the rest of the Middle East. Lets not forget that no WMD's were found which was given as the whole reason of going in there in the first place. :rolleyes:
He was however a brutal dictator who administered terrible crimes upon his own people and that is what he was being judged on.
There is something inherently wrong though with a death penalty sentence in this day and age and to hear commentators praise the judgement bemuses me. These are the same people who preach about democracy and "liberating the Iraqi people". On the one hand they want the country to move forward and embrace modern practices and on the other they celebrate outdated and backward punishments.
It's much more important that they shut up someone who could expose their double standards. Afterall, the US and UK hardly want him to start getting out the receipts for the weapons he used in these atrocities, do they?Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
I think beckett's comments yesterday were stomach churning. And lads, this is just the tip of the iceberg. we'll be talking about Iraq twenty years from now
I agree 100%. Saddam was so badly wounded from the 1st Gulf War he was no threat to anyone outside his borders. Sure he talked bravely but probably just to stop others from invading. I'd guess Iraq so weakened by 1st Gulf War that Iran could easily have invaded? Iraq is certainly a lot more dangerous internallyQuote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
& externally now. Maybe in time Saddams overthrowal will be good but can'yt see how its improved anything at the moment.
I hope the EU deplores the verdict as its been forcing potential candidate countries to remove from their statutes in order to be considered for membership.
I agree totally that Saddam was no longer a threat to the Middle East, plus if anyone here believes in giving everyone a fair trial then they surely can't hold this one up as being in any way impartial. I've said this to a few people, and in response have been told that 'sure we know that he did it, even if there isn't enough evidence to convince an impartial jury', which in my mind is no argument at all.
That said I don't believe that Saddam will be hanged, anyone in their right mind can see what sort of trouble that will cause in Iraq and it won't happen. The capital punishment verdict was given, in my opinion, to garner a cowardly response from Saddam, if you notice the American media focused their cameras on his eyes, in my mind in the hope that he would start crying and the American hype machine could kick into gear again.
As for the 1st Gulf War, that was just an excuse for America to test out the chemical weapons they had been building since the Vietnamese War ended and to see what effects they would have, as was stated by a frormer American general who served in that war, I think his name was Donnelly although I'm not 100% sure on that
Probably talking about it as a country which used to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Tom
Yeah, very little coverage of his unity comments. That he called on the country to be united. Not to attack the Americans (Whatever that was about, they are ligit targets) The ****e media always tries to dehumanise people so that hanging sounds great.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Can we get it on HD on Sky?
The Sun had a cut out and keep Sadam hangman game the other day. Subtle as ever.
Filthy dirty rotten rag sheet I genuinely wouldn't wipe my ar$e with itQuote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Anyone read Fisk on Saddam in The Independant the other day??
By the time I got into town they were sold out :o
Despite a huge marketing campaign, the weekend box office takings for the new movie from 20th Century Fox, Saddam: Cultural Learnings of Kurdistan for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Iraq, fell short of analyst expectations. Because film not success, Saddam will be execute. :(
You can usually read all his artciles on the Independent website. Been long since i looked at though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
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Originally Posted by Lim till i die
yeah i know what you meant,
maybe not the middle east as such, but he did have a hell of a war with Iran, and the kurds didnt exactly get on well with him, and dare i say kuwait,
but yeah not strictly the middle east, but you know what i meant!
As a member of an organisation campaigning for abolition of death penalty, I need to react here as well.
I am 100% against the death penalty in ANY case, even if it is Saddam. The death penalty doesn't resolve anything, it is coldblooded murder, letting a human being count down till death as if he counts down till holiday. No victim is ever returned, but one extra victim is made.
In this particular case, it's even more important to stop the execution. The whole world is watching this courtcase, so if we can stop Saddam's execution, then we spread a symbolic message against the death penalty, but the message will this time be heard by the whole world, it will reverberate in all government buildings of China, Iran, S.Arabia, USA, Japan, ... and hopefully it will be a message towards these countries, pushing them towards abolition themselves.
Also, if Saddam gets executed he'll be a martyr towards his supporters, and then the Iraqi civil war will be worse then ever, society will only be divided more by an execution. And the fear for terror strikes on the western world (as a revenge) will be higher than ever.
Saving Saddam's life is what needs to be done in order not to set the world on fire even more, but also just because it's the only human thing to do.