Players for B game?

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16/10/2006, 2:49 PM
bwagner

Players for B game?

Trundle got his 100th league goal this weekend any takers?
luke Varney of crewe is very highly rated...any ties to us??
Maybe Norris of Plymouth ?

Eircom players for me Gamble , Heary , O flynn and Gavin.

Some of the burley O'connors :p
16/10/2006, 2:58 PM
cavan_fan

Has anyone involved explained what the point of the B Team is yet?

Is it a glorified U-21 Team
or an Eircom League eleven
or our 12-22 ranked players
or uncapped players over 21 (hard to think there are 11 of those really!)
16/10/2006, 3:06 PM
Kingdom

There are quite a few players I'd like to see in them. A combination of Douglas, Gamble, Deery, and McPhail (to see if the hype is worth it) in midfield over a couple of games.
McCarthy of Leicester I'd like to see. McShane has been elevated, so St Ledger could do with a run out. I'm sure someone of the eL brigade could point us in the direction of a few defenders worthy of a place in the team, let alone the squad.

McGeady could do with a run out, as could the likes of Long, and Stokes.
16/10/2006, 3:15 PM
Dodge

Bwagner, didn't you slag the mod Plastic paddy as a wannabe irish and now you want Trundle and randomers in the team? Seek help my friend...

Anyway the EL teams will be less than happy to give up their players 3 days before the last game of the season so if some are called up, expect them to withdraw. Typical FAI
16/10/2006, 4:18 PM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by bwagner

Trundle got his 100th league goal this weekend any takers?luke Varney of crewe is very highly rated...any ties to us??
Maybe Norris of Plymouth ?

Eircom players for me Gamble , Heary , O flynn and Gavin.

Some of the burley O'connors :p

No chance....

Lee Trundle just is not good enough and is the wrong side of 30....end of story. Can you honestly say that he is a better player/prospect than Elliott/Murphy/Clarke/Andy Keogh/ (dare I say it) David Connolly??????
16/10/2006, 4:26 PM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

No chance....

Lee Trundle just is not good enough and is the wrong side of 30....end of story. Can you honestly say that he is a better player/prospect than Elliott/Murphy/Clarke/Andy Keogh/ (dare I say it) David Connolly??????

more experienced than clarke and probably more consistant than connolly. Keogh on the other hand looked superb for scumthorpe when they beat forest 4-0. very dangerous all game
16/10/2006, 4:35 PM
adamcarr

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Originally Posted by bwagner

Trundle got his 100th league goal this weekend any takers?
luke Varney of crewe is very highly rated...any ties to us??
Maybe Norris of Plymouth ?

Eircom players for me Gamble , Heary , O flynn and Gavin.

Some of the burley O'connors :p

The guy is so injury prone it is unreal. CCFC would not release him for an Irish B game.
16/10/2006, 4:52 PM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by adamcarr

The guy is so injury prone it is unreal. CCFC would not release him for an Irish B game.

Of course they would, lets be realistic, any publicity they get, for example one of their players representing their country at any level is likely to be snatched with both hands..... cork city wouldn't release him, that makes me laugh, in that case i can't see ANY of the english sides releasing their players either.
16/10/2006, 4:59 PM
adamcarr

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Originally Posted by livehead1

Of course they would, lets be realistic, any publicity they get, for example one of their players representing their country at any level is likely to be snatched with both hands..... cork city wouldn't release him, that makes me laugh, in that case i can't see ANY of the english sides releasing their players either.

We're lucky if we have the guy fit for two games in a row and that is no exagerration. I couldnt see City releasing him unless there was some kind of compo package drawn up as he is the highest paid player at the club.
16/10/2006, 5:30 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by livehead1

Of course they would, lets be realistic, any publicity they get, for example one of their players representing their country at any level is likely to be snatched with both hands..... cork city wouldn't release him, that makes me laugh, in that case i can't see ANY of the english sides releasing their players either.

Well the english clubs don't have a probably very important final game of the season 3 days later.
16/10/2006, 7:48 PM
eirebhoy

GK:
Mick Devine
Colin Doyle
Shane Supple
Conrad Logan
Graham Stack
Darren Randolph

Anyone care to list the options for the other positions from the players in this thread and EL players? :)
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=41499
16/10/2006, 9:15 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

GK:
Mick Devine
Colin Doyle
Shane Supple
Conrad Logan
Graham Stack
Darren Randolph

Barry Ryan would be included in that list, with him and Devine making up no.1/no.2 imo. Darren Quigley would be there as well, and you might as well not count Doyle or Randolph as they are behind Quigley in the U-21 pecking order.
16/10/2006, 9:48 PM
theworm2345

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

No chance....

Lee Trundle just is not good enough and is the wrong side of 30....end of story. Can you honestly say that he is a better player/prospect than Elliott/Murphy/Clarke/Andy Keogh/ (dare I say it) David Connolly??????

:D
Elliott, Murphy, and Connolly all played well in the EPL when they got the chance, Trundle is still in League 1. He still has not even declared I dont hink
16/10/2006, 10:38 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Barry Ryan would be included in that list, with him and Devine making up no.1/no.2 imo. Darren Quigley would be there as well, and you might as well not count Doyle or Randolph as they are behind Quigley in the U-21 pecking order.

Doyle played in the last game. I'm not sure if Quigley was injured. The reason he's not in the current squad is because he won't be eligible for the next set of qualifiers. He'll almost certainly be in the B squad.

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He still has not even declared I dont hink

You said this earlier and I replied to it. He has declared for us 100 times. :)
16/10/2006, 11:19 PM
tetsujin1979

According to the program from the Czech game, the players expecting to be vying for contention are:

GK: Graham Stack, Shane Supple, Conrad Logan, Colin Doyle, Michael Devine, Dan Connor, Darren Quigley, Joe Murphy.
DF: Kevin Foley, Paul McShane, Stephen Kelly, Joey O'Brien, Sean St Ledger, Paddy McCarthy
MF: Kevin Deery, Joe Gamble, Stephen Ireland, Jay Tabb, Willo Flood, Gary Dempsey, Michael Doyle, Stephen McPhail
FW: Andy Keogh, Jason Byrne, Richie Foran, Shane Long, Stephen Ward

McShane, Kelly, Ireland, and possibly McPhail should be in the senior squad for the San Marino game, but the rest are definite candidates. I'd add Stephen Hunt, Glen Whelan and Daryl Murphy (if fit) to that list.
16/10/2006, 11:26 PM
Dodge

Whelan's a bit old for a B team, no?
17/10/2006, 1:10 AM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Whelan's a bit old for a B team, no?

sorry, can you explain to me what age has to do with it??
17/10/2006, 8:46 AM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by thew0rm2345

:D
Elliott, Murphy, and Connolly all played well in the EPL when they got the chance, Trundle is still in League 1. He still has not even declared I dont hink

Had a feeling you'd pick up on it if Connolly's name was mentioned! :D
17/10/2006, 9:32 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by livehead1

sorry, can you explain to me what age has to do with it??

I think we should use this B team as a development team to groom players for the senior team, therefore nobody under 25 (bar keepers) should be picked IMO Likewise anybody with more than 5 caps
17/10/2006, 9:49 AM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Whelan's a bit old for a B team, no?

I don't know what Whelan you're thinking of.
17/10/2006, 10:44 AM
Kingdom

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only good thing to come out of Berti Vogts tenure as Scotland manager is the Futura squad that Ranier Bonhoff was in charge of. They competed regularily, developed players who obviously weren't good enough for the 1st team squad, but were too old for the U21's.
Alexander, Caldwell, McFadden, Boyd, Pearson, McCulloch, Maloney, Beattie, Hartley(one of Scotlands most important layers currently) all players who have played for the Future squad and who are current internationals.
There is a purpose to the B Internationals, it'll be worth it in the long term.
17/10/2006, 10:51 AM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I don't know what Whelan you're thinking of.

Ronnie or Noel, lol.
17/10/2006, 10:52 AM
livehead1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

I think we should use this B team as a development team to groom players for the senior team, therefore nobody under 25 (bar keepers) should be picked IMO Likewise anybody with more than 5 caps

As Kingdom has recently pointed out, Hartley is a regular with Scotland after coming through from B games, he's not too young, but certainly not too old.
17/10/2006, 10:57 AM
Dodge

Must've been thinking about someone else. Stand by my point though
17/10/2006, 11:02 AM
Kingdom

Hartley is 30, played for the B team only at the start of 2005, and he is an automatic started for Scotland now. And they're not doing too bad at all.
17/10/2006, 1:18 PM
manofthemoment

David Forde of Derry should be considered for GK
17/10/2006, 1:30 PM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by manofthemoment

David Forde of Derry should be considered for GK

rather bring Kiely back.
17/10/2006, 1:50 PM
manofthemoment

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Originally Posted by livehead1

rather bring Kiely back.

Kiely not interested in playing for Ireland as far as i know
17/10/2006, 2:01 PM
Dodge

He retired from the senior side, he's obviously not going to play for the feckin B team
17/10/2006, 2:13 PM
Kingdom

There is a few ways of lookin at the "B" team. The way I look at it is, we don't experiment with players in friendlies or competitive games, so these games are the place to do it. For example we don't have a clue how reliable some backup players are for the senior team. Personally speaking the Goalkeeper is a crisis position, in its current state. Kenny has had one full game and was muck. I believe there is an underlying lack of confidence with Henderson too. He never seemed to want the ball back to him, as in when he got it, it was hoofed away ratehr than distributed. We're not like other countries who can seemlessly switch keepers when needed without much hassle (eg Germany Lehmann + Hildebrand). Same for the abck four. We'd be better off giving a shadow back four and a shadow cm pairing a continued run of competitive games together and then see what happens when they're called up to the first team.
18/10/2006, 1:53 PM
Dyl10

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Barry Ryan would be included in that list, with him and Devine making up no.1/no.2 imo. Darren Quigley would be there as well, and you might as well not count Doyle or Randolph as they are behind Quigley in the U-21 pecking order.

Seriously doubt Ryan having a chance of getting in. Id imagine he'd probably be 4 or 5 in the eircom league pecking order. The 3 or 4 keepers playing in europe and Darren Quigley would be ranked ahead of him
18/10/2006, 2:23 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by Dyl10

Seriously doubt Ryan having a chance of getting in. Id imagine he'd probably be 4 or 5 in the eircom league pecking order. The 3 or 4 keepers playing in europe and Darren Quigley would be ranked ahead of him

Ignoring Quigley as I'm obviously biased, I'd have Ryan ahead of Forde & Williams and probably on a par with Devine.
18/10/2006, 3:46 PM
Block G Raptor

I'd like to see Wardy get a run out
18/10/2006, 3:56 PM
cavan_fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingdom

There is a few ways of lookin at the "B" team. The way I look at it is, we don't experiment with players in friendlies or competitive games, so these games are the place to do it. For example we don't have a clue how reliable some backup players are for the senior team. Personally speaking the Goalkeeper is a crisis position, in its current state. Kenny has had one full game and was muck. I believe there is an underlying lack of confidence with Henderson too. He never seemed to want the ball back to him, as in when he got it, it was hoofed away ratehr than distributed. We're not like other countries who can seemlessly switch keepers when needed without much hassle (eg Germany Lehmann + Hildebrand). Same for the abck four. We'd be better off giving a shadow back four and a shadow cm pairing a continued run of competitive games together and then see what happens when they're called up to the first team.

Agree on this. But I dont think they should be our 2nd 11. (and since the A Team is playing at the same time they cant be). I think if we get 3-4 players form here into the squad over 12-18 months then thats great. So players should be beween 20-24.Cant believe there are realistic prosepcts above this age who havent had their chance.
18/10/2006, 4:54 PM
Bomb Landsdowne

What about the Hunt brothers?
18/10/2006, 5:14 PM
Dyl10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schumi

Ignoring Quigley as I'm obviously biased, I'd have Ryan ahead of Forde & Williams and probably on a par with Devine.

I honestly do think Ryan is a very good keeper and im not saying he isnt one of the top keepers in the league, but i think when it comes to picking a squad, he would probably be fourth or fifth choice. I honestly dont think he has a hope of getting into the squad
19/10/2006, 2:25 AM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

Had a feeling you'd pick up on it if Connolly's name was mentioned! :D

Ever since the my guarantee I dont bring him up unless I am talking about Sunderland usually. If he is brought up by someone else, I pounce :)
Is this technically considered a full international? So, any player who plays gets a cap? Or is it in a whole separate category?

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