Quinny Gets Keane Ireland get Staunton

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09/09/2006, 4:28 AM
mountie

Quinny Gets Keane Ireland get Staunton

Amazing eh? Here's the Mighty Quinn, backer of Mick our 2nd most famous manager, hiring Keano our most famous player to be the manager of HIS Sunderland. Why oh why did he not back Keano in Saipan, our best, REALLY our best chance to be at least in the semi's of the World Cup. Quinny says "he's a winner, he will bring a winning attitude to this famous club and bring it back to its rightful place in the premiership". God knows why he could not say the same in 2002. Keano's right Quinns a "muppet"....a muppet for the the Irish consortium aka mafia. Won't be long before Quinny is "discharged from his duties" and a certain Mr. R Keane will be really running the show. Can't wait for the shirts in the FAI to be pleading for Keano to be OUR next manager.:eek:
09/09/2006, 6:26 AM
gustavo

Whats your point?
Keane wasnt available to be Irish manager
I dont think we need to go over Saipan again
What Quinn and Keane do with Sunderland is not best discussed in this forum
10/09/2006, 8:42 AM
as_i_say

arr sure why not. t'would be a laugh. this chair be high says i. arr.
10/09/2006, 12:25 PM
pete

Pointless thread. Neither of them have any experience so not suitable for international manager.
10/09/2006, 6:18 PM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by pete

Pointless thread. Neither of them have any experience so not suitable for international manager.

What experience do you need to be a manager? All you have to do is pick a team, something we used to take turns to do in school games lessons. And if you don't know who to pick you just ask someone who does. It's not an area in which experience matters much. Nottingham Forest has loads of 'experienced' managers who were carp. Now they have a relatively inexperienced manager they are 3 points clear at the top of League 1.
10/09/2006, 6:24 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

What experience do you need to be a manager? All you have to do is pick a team, something we used to take turns to do in school games lessons..

Why are you not a top level manager so?

:confused:
10/09/2006, 7:15 PM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by pete

Why are you not a top level manager so?

:confused:

I have no ambition to be a manager, it's what people do when they are no good at anything else.
10/09/2006, 9:22 PM
mountie

Gustavo
Keane wasnt available to be Irish manager :confused:

Yes he was, just because he was a signed player with Celtic does not mean he was not available! Stan was a signed player/coach with Walsall

I dont think we need to go over Saipan again

I suppose I agree, however, my point is Keane was right when he called Quinn a muppet, remember Quinn did not want Keane initially until he was told by the Drumaville consortium to approach him through Michael Kennedy.:(

What Quinn and Keane do with Sunderland is not best discussed in this forum

Not intending to discuss Sunderland. Rather the relationship of Keane and Quinn.:D
10/09/2006, 9:40 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

I have no ambition to be a manager, it's what people do when they are no good at anything else.

:rolleyes:
11/09/2006, 8:17 AM
endabob1

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

What experience do you need to be a manager? All you have to do is pick a team, something we used to take turns to do in school games lessons. And if you don't know who to pick you just ask someone who does. It's not an area in which experience matters much. Nottingham Forest has loads of 'experienced' managers who were carp. Now they have a relatively inexperienced manager they are 3 points clear at the top of League 1.

Colin Calderwood spent 2 years managing the Spurs Reserves and 3 years in charge at Northampton and is widely regarded as one of the best young managers outside the premiership.
Ipswich approached him before Forest and he turned them down because he felt he could achieve more with Forest.

If management was that simple why do so many people f--k it up?
11/09/2006, 11:01 AM
reder

Ok lets leave all the history to one side and look at the relationship.

Its very simple, Quinn and the consortium had enough brains to realise that Keane would give them all the press coverage/hype and increased ticket sales Sunderland needs. Week in week out last season the ground was half empty and they rarely sold out their away allocations. With Keane they are guaranteed a healthy bump in ticket sales. Sky sports goals on sunday did a 10 minute segement on the sunderland game yesterday. Sunderland completely sold out their away allocation on sat for Derby by the looks of it. Also Keanes presence will attract other investors.

All the above means more money for Sunderland, which means they can buy/attract better players and they can get back into the PL where the club can grow.

As for the comments passed by Keane and their history, players fall out the whole time. Im quite sure they patched things up ages ago, ditto for mcCarthy and Keane. Keane pretty much admitted he crossed the line in Saipan in the Sunderland interview.
11/09/2006, 3:36 PM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by endabob1

Colin Calderwood spent 2 years managing the Spurs Reserves and 3 years in charge at Northampton and is widely regarded as one of the best young managers outside the premiership.
Ipswich approached him before Forest and he turned them down because he felt he could achieve more with Forest.

If management was that simple why do so many people f--k it up?

Well he seems to have been successful from the start, more experienced managers didn't fair too well there.
The reason many f--k up is because the probably think it is rocket science!!
You can improve most teams results simply by getting rid of the manager!!!
That is a well established fact!!
11/09/2006, 4:02 PM
NeilMcD

It does not last long though. Calderwood is an a manager that has the qualifications and can talk to the players. Experience is not everything but qualifications and an intelligence is. You need to be able to communicate to the players what you want them to do. There are many different styles to managment but to say that anyone can do it is total rubbish. If you have really good players you will get away with it for a while but after that you will struggle.
11/09/2006, 4:51 PM
endabob1

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Well he seems to have been successful from the start, more experienced managers didn't fair too well there.
The reason many f--k up is because the probably think it is rocket science!!
You can improve most teams results simply by getting rid of the manager!!!
That is a well established fact!!

With regards to Calderwood
He has got his coaching badges and got some experience and has brought his staff with him to Forest from Northampton, a trick that Martin O'Neill has perfected. It took a couple of seasons at Northampton for him to win the fans over and getting promotion last year was the culmination of 3 years work, hardly instant success.

You can improve most teams results simply by getting rid of the manager is a well established fact.
While this can work when you bring in a good manager ask Sunderland fans about the misery they endured when big Mick became their manager, Charlton haven't set the world alight this year under Dowie, Spurs had 3 months of dross under the then new manager Jaques Santini... There are loads of examples of where this tactic doesn't work.

There's more to being a manager than picking 11 blokes and saying 'go out there and win'
11/09/2006, 5:06 PM
tricky_colour

Jaques Santini lacked managerial experience ;)
11/09/2006, 5:07 PM
NeilMcD

Tricky Colour nobody is saying that just cause someobody has experience they will be successful at every club they go to. There many reasons why a manager is successful at a club, many of them outside his control but if you want to have a successful club you are better off getting a good manager in rather than a bad manager.
11/09/2006, 5:09 PM
endabob1

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Jaques Santini lacked managerial experience ;)

Fair enough:p but the basic point was/is just as changing your manager can bring a positive reaction it can also bring a negative reaction.
11/09/2006, 5:15 PM
gustavo

seeing as the topic is now whats the basis of being a successful manager Ill ship it out to World Football
11/09/2006, 8:35 PM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by endabob1

Fair enough:p but the basic point was/is just as changing your manager can bring a positive reaction it can also bring a negative reaction.

Are you saying that Ireland appointing Stan Staunton has had a negative reaction?
(return voyage? :D )
12/09/2006, 7:54 AM
endabob1

Back to Stan - Back to Ireland

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Are you saying that Ireland appointing Stan Staunton has had a negative reaction?
(return voyage? :D )

First game was positive so you could argue the initial reaction was positive but since then it's been toilet but then as we play 1 game ever couple of months the reaction / honeymoon period are a bit more difficult to judge.
20/09/2006, 7:09 AM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by endabob1

First game was positive so you could argue the initial reaction was positive but since then it's been toilet .

This sort of comment is ludicrous. To describe the reaction to the Irish performance in Stuttgart as "toilet" is way ott. My brother has lived in Germany for 32 years and is almost more German than Irish :o . He doesn't see us play very often and sees the German team a lot and he thought we did well, which we did. Credit where credit is due. On another day we might have got something out of that game. The fans I was with at the game didn't have any negative feeling towards Stan after the game.

There is undoubtedly an anti-Stan lobby which has reared its head amazing early but, as we all know with football, a few decent results and the negativity disappears (until the next bad result).