The farcical division!

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22/08/2006, 4:29 PM
BohsFans

The farcical division!

http://www.irishfootballonline.com/n...hp?newsid=5231

The first division game between Kilkenny City and Kildare County has been brought forward from Tuesday, 12th September to this Saturday, 26th August.

Kilkenny's home game with Dundalk on 2nd September will now kick off at 2pm, reflecting the Longford move of avoiding a clash with Ireland's opening European qualifier.

Cobh Ramblers too have changed their kick off on the same day against Kildare County but the game now kicks off at 5:45pm.

Dundalk's home game with Finn Harps will now take place on Friday, 15th September.

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Is there really any point in publishing a fixture list at the start of the season? Teams in the graveyard division seeem to change fixtures, the nights they play and ko times every month! :rolleyes:

No wonders no one goes to games. :mad:

[UCD and Sligo are also guilty of changing mid-season in the Premier]
22/08/2006, 4:34 PM
Forever Dreamin

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

http://www.irishfootballonline.com/n...hp?newsid=5231

The first division game between Kilkenny City and Kildare County has been brought forward from Tuesday, 12th September to this Saturday, 26th August.

Kilkenny's home game with Dundalk on 2nd September will now kick off at 2pm, reflecting the Longford move of avoiding a clash with Ireland's opening European qualifier.

Cobh Ramblers too have changed their kick off on the same day against Kildare County but the game now kicks off at 5:45pm.

Dundalk's home game with Finn Harps will now take place on Friday, 15th September.

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Is there really any point in publishing a fixture list at the start of the season? Teams in the graveyard division seeem to change fixtures, the nights they play and ko times every month! :rolleyes:

No wonders no one goes to games. :mad:

[UCD and Sligo are also guilty of changing mid-season in the Premier]

And are you telling me thwt if Bohs were due to play on the Sat night in a direct clash they wouldnt want to switch??

At least they are announcing the changes in plenty of time.
22/08/2006, 4:37 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Forever Dreamin

And are you telling me thwt if Bohs were due to play on the Sat night in a direct clash they wouldnt want to switch??

At least they are announcing the changes in plenty of time.

Really ?? How long have we all known that there was an International game on Sat 2nd Sept.......? So why only make the change now - 2 and a half weeks in advance of the event ? :confused:
22/08/2006, 4:42 PM
BohsFans

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever Dreamin

And are you telling me thwt if Bohs were due to play on the Sat night in a direct clash they wouldnt want to switch??

At least they are announcing the changes in plenty of time.

Announcing where?

On a website.
22/08/2006, 5:14 PM
sullanefc

Should we have league games on an international week:confused:
22/08/2006, 5:24 PM
mypost

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Is there really any point in publishing a fixture list at the start of the season? Teams in the graveyard division seeem to change fixtures, the nights they play and ko times every month! :rolleyes:

No wonders no one goes to games. :mad:

Look at the proper division table, and you will see a neatly laid out structure, with all games completed bar one. A look at the farcical table shows teams with 17, 18, 19, and 20 league games played. Throw in a club withdrawal, expunged results, points/replays threatened, etc, etc, and it becomes a mad division.

I think only Brazilian football has more chaotic administrators than the NL.
22/08/2006, 7:20 PM
sligoman

In fairness, the majority of people probably knew our match was gonna clash with Ireland game so figured it was gonna be moved.

Complain about anything ye would:rolleyes:.
22/08/2006, 7:25 PM
Sniffer

Don't see the problem...any other time fans would be complaining about inflexibility and being forced to play at ridiculous times causing clashes with gaaah and the like. And like sligoman says , most fans with a braincell would know that there's gonna be a change. I think you've got McGuinnessache and are just feeling a little cranky.:)
22/08/2006, 7:28 PM
holidaysong

If a clash did take place with one of our games I know which one I'd be watching.
As mypost said there is only one fixture outstanding in the First Division.
22/08/2006, 7:37 PM
dancinpants

Quote:

Originally Posted by mypost

A look at the farcical table shows teams with 17, 18, 19, and 20 league games played. Throw in a club withdrawal, expunged results, points/replays threatened, and it becomes a mad division.

You just wish you were in it. :rolleyes:
22/08/2006, 7:46 PM
mypost

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancinpants

You just wish you were in it.

Look what we've left behind: Chaos, carelessness, ineptitude and, Home Farm!! :D We'll be back next year, to see if the pieces are picked up by then. :o
22/08/2006, 8:47 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

[url][UCD and Sligo are also guilty of changing mid-season in the Premier]

It was announced well before the start of the season that we were changing and when we would be changing.
22/08/2006, 8:55 PM
BohsFans

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

It was announced well before the start of the season that we were changing and when we would be changing.

Must have missed it along with all the other non-college fans!:confused:
22/08/2006, 9:00 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Must have missed it along with all the other non-college fans!:confused:

You're right you obviously missed it.
22/08/2006, 9:19 PM
BohsFans

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

You're right you obviously missed it.

hence

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Must have missed it

:rolleyes:
22/08/2006, 9:26 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Must have missed it along with all the other non-college fans!:confused:

hence

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

You're right you obviously missed it.

:rolleyes:
22/08/2006, 9:35 PM
BohsFans

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

hence

:rolleyes:

..............................along with all the other non-college fans!

Typical UCD fan :rolleyes:
22/08/2006, 9:42 PM
DmanDmythDledge

You didn't hear about it being announced- get over it.
22/08/2006, 9:44 PM
Rovers1

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Originally Posted by BohsFans

[UCD and Sligo are also guilty of changing mid-season in the Premier]

what has to be done,has to be done!
cobh etc. are only putting themselves before everything else. Ireland are playing Germany in a qualifier,if the EL games are on same time,then the attendance is going to go down!

as for your criticism of us and UCD the clubs are only doing what they think is 'best' for finances etc. it could be Bohs tomorrow who change to sunday afternoons.
22/08/2006, 9:50 PM
pineapple stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

[UCD and Sligo are also guilty of changing mid-season in the Premier]

dmanetc's correct - here's a thread dated the day before our first home game of the season noting the change.

I agree with your point in general though.
23/08/2006, 12:08 AM
Bald Student

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

..............................along with all the other non-college fans!

Typical UCD fan :rolleyes:

Hence

:rolleyes:

(what were we talking about again?)
23/08/2006, 9:56 AM
Jerry The Saint

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Really ?? How long have we all known that there was an International game on Sat 2nd Sept.......? So why only make the change now - 2 and a half weeks in advance of the event ? :confused:

Not to mention European games. The dates for each round are known well in advance yet the League wait until right before to cancel the fixtures of teams involved. Sometimes dates for the refixed game are set straight away, other times they wait for several weeks/months before announcing it.

Cork vs. Pats originally set for 28 July was cancelled at short notice when they got through the first round (not exactly a shock after the last few years). It has only now been refixed and the new date is less than 2 weeks away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sligoman

In fairness, the majority of people probably knew our match was gonna clash with Ireland game so figured it was gonna be moved.

Complain about anything ye would:rolleyes:.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect a reliable fixture list. People make plans around the proposed dates for matches. It is not difficult to have contingency plans in place in the event of some bizarre, unexpected situation like a club progressing past their first tie in Europe, or Ireland playing a competitive international. :rolleyes:

The Pats game in Turner's X is now on the Monday after Stuttgart, if I'd known that back in July I would have made alternative arrangements to get the match in. Aside from the practicalities for existing fans, this mickey mouse approach to fixing games (like clubs going 6 weeks and then later 4 weeks without home games) only reinforces to others what a joke this league is - which brings us back to the original point of the thread.
23/08/2006, 10:36 AM
pete

If you look at the pemier division fixtures you will Derry City & Drogheda listed for fixtures on the friday after their scheduled Uefa Cup games. These games should be scheduled for the following sunday at the start of the year.
23/08/2006, 10:56 AM
NY Hoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Not to mention European games. The dates for each round are known well in advance yet the League wait until right before to cancel the fixtures of teams involved. Sometimes dates for the refixed game are set straight away, other times they wait for several weeks/months before announcing it.

Cork vs. Pats originally set for 28 July was cancelled at short notice when they got through the first round (not exactly a shock after the last few years). It has only now been refixed and the new date is less than 2 weeks away.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect a reliable fixture list. People make plans around the proposed dates for matches. It is not difficult to have contingency plans in place in the event of some bizarre, unexpected situation like a club progressing past their first tie in Europe, or Ireland playing a competitive international. :rolleyes:

The Pats game in Turner's X is now on the Monday after Stuttgart, if I'd known that back in July I would have made alternative arrangements to get the match in. Aside from the practicalities for existing fans, this mickey mouse approach to fixing games (like clubs going 6 weeks and then later 4 weeks without home games) only reinforces to others what a joke this league is - which brings us back to the original point of the thread.

100& right.

How can the league be taken seriously when this happens? I dont blame the clubs but the league for allowing these farcical changes.

The european games and the international dates are set out months in advance yet clubs only seem to wake up to it weeks before:rolleyes:

Derry v Drogheda called off because its 6 days before a european game? Joke.

If Dundalk are changing the Harps game will they finally cop on and leave their home fixtures to fridays?

Fixtures should be set in stone at the start of a season. Clubs shouldnt be allowed to change the day of their fixtures e.g. sligo who changed to fridays and now realise they are getting no increase in crowds which even their own fans could have told them:rolleyes:

KOH
23/08/2006, 11:16 AM
Magicme

I like Dundalk fixtures on Thurs nites coz take the Fri morn of work and go out on the lash with my mate in college there. Get to act like a 30 something Student twice a year!
23/08/2006, 11:46 AM
Dave drummerboy

Thurs night is oriel park night and its staying that way .
23/08/2006, 11:48 AM
NY Hoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave drummerboy

Thurs night is oriel park night and its staying that way .

For this season yeah.

KOH
23/08/2006, 11:49 AM
Dave drummerboy

Thurs night will always be oriel night . its been like that for years and its not going to change .
23/08/2006, 11:52 AM
NY Hoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave drummerboy

Thurs night will always be oriel night . its been like that for years and its not going to change .

We'll see.

KOH
23/08/2006, 8:37 PM
passerrby

could be wrong but i thought the lillywhites play on thur because its the only time it suits the bar ,Fri ,sat and sun being open to the public or rented for functions.
23/08/2006, 9:02 PM
Roverstillidie

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Originally Posted by Dave drummerboy

Thurs night will always be oriel night . its been like that for years and its not going to change .

thursday night football has conincided with your clubs worst ever decade.

coincidence?
23/08/2006, 9:04 PM
CollegeTillIDie

Ok all the points made about fixture changes are valid however here's a simple solution. Am I correct in assuming that we in the EL know who's going to be in Europe , the following summer before Xmas? I thought so.
Therefore , it baffles me completely as to why the teams which play in Europe, should be drawn against each other and play those games in advance before their respective European ties. Example. This season Cork, Drogheda , Derry and Shels qualified for Europe. So the week they were due to play their first European ties. Derry V Drogheda and Cork V Shels should have been the fixtures, they could then be brought forward and played perhaps even before the Setanta Cup semi-finals start and get them out of the way long before Europe becomes an issue. So for the next round you would have Shels v Derry and Drogheda V Cork could for example be the next series of games due to coincide with round two of Europe. When they could they be played? Well seeing as Drogheda and Cork both got knocked out in the first round of the Cup how about the week of the second round of the cup this year?
23/08/2006, 9:06 PM
BohsFans

Dundalk are a prime eg of this. Youse have played on Thursdays, Fridays and Sat afternoon this season.
It seems someone 21st is enough to get a game moved in the farcical division.
24/08/2006, 9:40 AM
Schumi

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsFans

Dundalk are a prime eg of this. Youse have played on Thursdays, Fridays and Sat afternoon this season.
It seems someone 21st is enough to get a game moved in the farcical division.

Did Bohs not move one of their games last year because they had rented the pitch out to some corporate crowd?
24/08/2006, 11:59 AM
Dave drummerboy

We play on thurs nights . We have played on a sat afternoon this year for cobh because they have to travel up and back .
24/08/2006, 7:43 PM
holidaysong

There are three different threads on this forum at the moment where Dundalk playing on a Thursday night is being argued! The reason for us playing on a Thursday night is very clear and it makes huge financial sense. Until a change in those circumstances we will remain playing on a Thursday night. We played Cobh on a Saturday afternoon this year to aid their travel and we also Kilkenny as not to clash with the World Cup. Oriel was a ghost town during these games.
25/08/2006, 1:20 AM
mypost

In fact Dundalk have been playing Thursday night football at Oriel Park since the late '80's. They won the Premier Division title in 1988 when playing Pats on a Thursday night. Pats returned the favour in '96, by winning it at Oriel on a Thursday night. Rovers won 2-1 at Dundalk on a Thursday night in February 1990. It's not exactly a new idea.

If the fixtures were organised professionally, every club would be forced to play at the same time on the same night, no excuses. But until it is, Dundalk are allowed to play when it suits them. Claiming financial reasons is nonsense. Crowds are poor across the board every week of the season.
25/08/2006, 6:02 AM
CollegeTillIDie

Dundalk switched to Thursdays during the 1980's at a time of record unemployment, because it was dole day. Simple really:D