Hill Celtic Turmoil for Limerick Premier

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22/08/2006, 9:16 AM
manalishi

Hill Celtic Turmoil for Limerick Premier

Hill Celtic,relegated last year,have appealed the decision of the LDMC to promote Herbertstown instead of reinstating them in Premier after Park asked to be regraded to IA.This may cause ructions with the fixtures while it is being sorted.
22/08/2006, 9:17 AM
Roadend

Really, when did this happen?
22/08/2006, 9:22 AM
Mercurial Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by manalishi

Hill Celtic,relegated last year,have appealed the decision of the LDMC to promote Herbertstown instead of reinstating them in Premier after Park asked to be regraded to IA.This may cause ructions with the fixtures while it is being sorted.

You're joking, not much gets past you then!!!!!
23/08/2006, 10:56 AM
shelbourne1904

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Originally Posted by Roadend

Really, when did this happen?

Not exactly sure but it was known last week.I havent heard anymore since.Did Herbertstown play at the weekend gone??
23/08/2006, 11:05 AM
Roadend

Errrr, I wasn't being serious.
23/08/2006, 11:29 AM
gaidin

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelbourne1904

Not exactly sure but it was known last week.I havent heard anymore since.Did Herbertstown play at the weekend gone??

No Hernertstowns match was off. All matches involving, Herbertstown, Hill Celtic and Park Rangers were cancelled at the weekend. These teams games will be postponed until a decision is made. But hill celtic can appeal to the Munster Council and the FAI so this could go on for a long time.
23/08/2006, 11:59 AM
Goals4fun

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaidin

No Hernertstowns match was off. All matches involving, Herbertstown, Hill Celtic and Park Rangers were cancelled at the weekend. These teams games will be postponed until a decision is made. But hill celtic can appeal to the Munster Council and the FAI so this could go on for a long time.

shouldn't hill just take their medicine , they were not good enough last year and deserve to play in 1a. If herbertown get put back to 1a they should appeal that park should not be allowed be relegated... then the fun begins.
23/08/2006, 12:03 PM
Bonovox

Park should have been left in the Premier, never heard of such nonsense before.
23/08/2006, 12:21 PM
gaidin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonovox

Park should have been left in the Premier, never heard of such nonsense before.

Exactly, Park should have not been allowed to drop a division. They have B and C teams so they should have been told to use the players from those teasm to make an A team.

Also, lets just say Park were to win 1A this year. Will they be allowed to go straight back into the premier league?
23/08/2006, 12:25 PM
Old keeper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonovox

Park should have been left in the Premier, never heard of such nonsense before.

And what exactly is nonsense?
is it that
One club were big enough to state before a ball was kicked that they felt the club would not be in a position to fulfill all of their premier fixtures, and asked the LDL for support and advice?

Is it that
in the interest of the game the LDL made a decision that the club be removed from the premier and the next placed team in 1A be placed in the premier?

Is it that
One of the relagated teams (there are 2) from last years premier feel that they should be allowed back in?

I really enjoy concise one liners that add absolutley nothing to the discussion, but please elaborate on why you think park should have been forced to remain in Premier.
23/08/2006, 12:27 PM
W.R.F.C

Bad form

:mad: :mad: :mad: This was brewing for 2 years now and it finally resulted in this mess. Park and newtown in shannon were suppose to merge and a few from both clubs did not want that happening so there was bad feeling from both sides as far back as that. Had a feeling that it would erupt this season, but why did park leave it so late to tell the LDMC about tere bad situtation is beyond me, now the 2 leagues are fecked up over it.
23/08/2006, 12:29 PM
Old keeper

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaidin

Exactly, Park should have not been allowed to drop a division. They have B and C teams so they should have been told to use the players from those teasm to make an A team.

Also, lets just say Park were to win 1A this year. Will they be allowed to go straight back into the premier league?

Park Have not B and C teams as these teams have been withdrawn from the LDL the only team Park have enterd is the team in division 1A. Also Park were not "allowed" to drop a division this was a decision of the LDL based on all the available information and taken in the best interest of the league
23/08/2006, 12:35 PM
Goals4fun

park were hopeful that things would be fine, but players normally don't sign until just before the season starts. When most of the players left they had no option but to tell the league of their situation . It is better that they did this as can you imagine b and c players getting well beaten each week. do you think they would have turned up for all fixtures? I don;t think so and if you miss 3 matches you are thrown out of the league. Which would be worse.

There are too many clubs in shannon for them to work properly and players can easily drift between clubs, there is very little loyalty left, which most will agree.
23/08/2006, 12:36 PM
smellyfeet

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.R.F.C

:mad: :mad: :mad: This was brewing for 2 years now and it finally resulted in this mess. Park and newtown in shannon were suppose to merge and a few from both clubs did not want that happening so there was bad feeling from both sides as far back as that. Had a feeling that it would erupt this season, but why did park leave it so late to tell the LDMC about tere bad situtation is beyond me, now the 2 leagues are fecked up over it.

Newtown FC have nothing to do with anything in regards to this so why even mention them.
Newtown are fine.(
23/08/2006, 12:36 PM
Goals4fun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old keeper

Park Have not B and C teams as these teams have been withdrawn from the LDL the only team Park have enterd is the team in division 1A. Also Park were not "allowed" to drop a division this was a decision of the LDL based on all the available information and taken in the best interest of the league

Old keeper on a different note, on the website there are midweek fixtures for a few weeks to come. Will these happen as the evenings are getting darker ? did this come up in last nights meeting ?
23/08/2006, 12:37 PM
W.R.F.C

park

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaidin

Exactly, Park should have not been allowed to drop a division. They have B and C teams so they should have been told to use the players from those teasm to make an A team.

Also, lets just say Park were to win 1A this year. Will they be allowed to go straight back into the premier league?

Park cannot get promoted for at least 2 seasons if they indeed play 1a football this year. Thats what im aware of anyway
23/08/2006, 12:37 PM
Goals4fun

Quote:

Originally Posted by smellyfeet

Newtown FC have nothing to do with anything in regards to this so why even mention them.
Newtown are fine.(

how many park players from last season have newtown this year ?
23/08/2006, 12:40 PM
Old keeper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goals4fun

Old keeper on a different note, on the website there are midweek fixtures for a few weeks to come. Will these happen as the evenings are getting darker ? did this come up in last nights meeting ?

I would imagine the light available on thursday night will determine how the games proceed next week. Keep watching the site for updates
23/08/2006, 12:47 PM
Obe1Kenobi0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goals4fun

shouldn't hill just take their medicine , they were not good enough last year and deserve to play in 1a. If herbertown get put back to 1a they should appeal that park should not be allowed be relegated... then the fun begins.

I agree fully...don't let Park go down and everything will sort itself out next year!
23/08/2006, 12:51 PM
Old keeper

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Originally Posted by Obe1Kenobi0

I agree fully...don't let Park go down and everything will sort itself out next year!

The fall out from that may be that Park would fold and then there is another problem for the club members who are trying very hard to keep things going.
23/08/2006, 1:21 PM
smellyfeet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goals4fun

how many park players from last season have newtown this year ?

Only 3 players from Park B team went to Newtown.
Davy Egan, Julian Woods and Tom OHare.
23/08/2006, 1:39 PM
Obe1Kenobi0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old keeper

The fall out from that may be that Park would fold and then there is another problem for the club members who are trying very hard to keep things going.

That true....it's a tough one to call between Hill and Herb though. My own feelings would be that if you are not good enough to stay in the premier Hill should go down and H/town should be given a shot at premier
23/08/2006, 1:45 PM
Old keeper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obe1Kenobi0

That true....it's a tough one to call between Hill and Herb though. My own feelings would be that if you are not good enough to stay in the premier Hill should go down and H/town should be given a shot at premier

I would agree and so did the LDMC but it is in the hands of the MFA now
23/08/2006, 2:14 PM
Mercurial Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old keeper

I would agree and so did the LDMC but it is in the hands of the MFA now

You could also say that if Herbertstown didn't finish in an automatic promotion place that they don't merit a place in the Premier League. If it's a two up and two down rule then I think they have a strong case. As a matter of interest OK, if Hill Celtic won their appeal at MFA or even FAI level do you think that the LDMC would leave the matter rest. I noticed that the whole Waterford Junior league council resigned last year owing to the fact that the MFA ruled against them on a number of cases that were appealed to them.
23/08/2006, 2:44 PM
shelbourne1904

[QUOTE=W.R.F.C;520586] This was brewing for 2 years now and it finally resulted in this mess. Park and newtown in shannon were suppose to merge and a few from both clubs did not want that happening so there was bad feeling from both sides as far back as that. QUOTE]

This is not accurate.After a year of meetings the Park representatives came to a meeting and declared that things could go no further unless Newtown agreed that Parks ground would be the main ground for development and for first team matches.This was supposed to be because they had the better facilities.The fact that Newtown had state of the art dressing rooms built and Park had a container seemed to be ignored.The 3 pitches in both grounds were of similar quality.
Newtown wanted an independent consultant to do a survey to help decide and on that basis whichever ground came out on top from both saleibility and developement aspects that would decide.
Park couldnt agree so the discussions came to an end amicably.

We are now at a situation that Park are in trouble and Newtown may be sitting on a gold mine as they have been offered a lucrative deal for their land.
23/08/2006, 2:49 PM
W.R.F.C

Park

Thanks for clearing that up for me shelbourne
23/08/2006, 2:52 PM
Goals4fun

[QUOTE=shelbourne1904;520750]

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.R.F.C

This was brewing for 2 years now and it finally resulted in this mess. Park and newtown in shannon were suppose to merge and a few from both clubs did not want that happening so there was bad feeling from both sides as far back as that. QUOTE]

This is not accurate.After a year of meetings the Park representatives came to a meeting and declared that things could go no further unless Newtown agreed that Parks ground would be the main ground for development and for first team matches.This was supposed to be because they had the better facilities.The fact that Newtown had state of the art dressing rooms built and Park had a container seemed to be ignored.The 3 pitches in both grounds were of similar quality.
Newtown wanted an independent consultant to do a survey to help decide and on that basis whichever ground came out on top from both saleibility and developement aspects that would decide.
Park couldnt agree so the discussions came to an end amicably.

We are now at a situation that Park are in trouble and Newtown may be sitting on a gold mine as they have been offered a lucrative deal for their land.

so they will be selling there pitches?:eek:
so why didn't they move down to the park pitch . Or maybe they will turn down that lucrative deal to stay on the 'best':rolleyes: pitches in shannon. One question, how much water does their pitch hold during the winter?? (Olympic swimming pool comes to mind)
23/08/2006, 2:53 PM
Goals4fun

[QUOTE=Goals4fun;520760]

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Originally Posted by shelbourne1904

so they will be selling there pitches?:eek:
so why didn't they move down to the park pitch . Or maybe they will turn down that lucrative deal to stay on the 'best':rolleyes: pitches in shannon. One question, how much water does their pitch hold during the winter?? (Olympic swimming pool comes to mind)

all in all i wonder how many of the park people that were involced in the meeting where the talks broke down, are still at the club in their time of need ????
23/08/2006, 2:54 PM
Goals4fun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercurial Vapor

You could also say that if Herbertstown didn't finish in an automatic promotion place that they don't merit a place in the Premier League. If it's a two up and two down rule then I think they have a strong case. As a matter of interest OK, if Hill Celtic won their appeal at MFA or even FAI level do you think that the LDMC would leave the matter rest. I noticed that the whole Waterford Junior league council resigned last year owing to the fact that the MFA ruled against them on a number of cases that were appealed to them.

this will not be the end of it either way ! maybe the ldmc will make park play premier just to **** off hill :D , if the MFA go against what they have done !
23/08/2006, 3:02 PM
Old keeper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercurial Vapor

You could also say that if Herbertstown didn't finish in an automatic promotion place that they don't merit a place in the Premier League. If it's a two up and two down rule then I think they have a strong case. As a matter of interest OK, if Hill Celtic won their appeal at MFA or even FAI level do you think that the LDMC would leave the matter rest. I noticed that the whole Waterford Junior league council resigned last year owing to the fact that the MFA ruled against them on a number of cases that were appealed to them.

Well all I can say is that there are as many opinions as there are people and each one may have merits. The same decision was made in 1B 2A 2B and no other teams decided to appeal the decisions indeed the other relagated team did not appeal.
The actual rule is as follows
Rule 53
"The winners and runners up in all leagues will be promoted and the bottom two teams in each league will be relegated. Note: The committee will have the right to promote any team as they deem fit to fill any vacancy that may occur in the league"

If you read the second part of the rule it is self explanatory

Regarding the MFA for better or worse they can make any decision they see as fair applying the rules. that is the way it is so I dont see the committee resigning if the decision is not of their liking! smacks of throwing the toys out of the pram.
23/08/2006, 3:04 PM
Obe1Kenobi0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercurial Vapor

You could also say that if Herbertstown didn't finish in an automatic promotion place that they don't merit a place in the Premier League. If it's a two up and two down rule then I think they have a strong case. As a matter of interest OK, if Hill Celtic won their appeal at MFA or even FAI level do you think that the LDMC would leave the matter rest. I noticed that the whole Waterford Junior league council resigned last year owing to the fact that the MFA ruled against them on a number of cases that were appealed to them.

Fair point....my head is wrecked. This could go on for ages and could make a mess of both divisions with 3 teams out of action for what could be a potentially long time
23/08/2006, 3:33 PM
MitreSize5

I cant see it going past the mfa either way - if they rule against the ldmc then old keeper has said it will be accepted. if they rule against hill celtic then they wont be able to bring it further as they dont have a pot to **** in.
They could I suppose copy their neighbours and organise a door to door collection:)
23/08/2006, 3:33 PM
First

Why don't Hill Celtic and Herbertstown play a one off game and the winner plays in the premier. IMO Park should remain in the premier and let the season pan out .
23/08/2006, 3:39 PM
Pallas_United

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercurial Vapor

You could also say that if Herbertstown didn't finish in an automatic promotion place that they don't merit a place in the Premier League. If it's a two up and two down rule then I think they have a strong case. As a matter of interest OK, if Hill Celtic won their appeal at MFA or even FAI level do you think that the LDMC would leave the matter rest. I noticed that the whole Waterford Junior league council resigned last year owing to the fact that the MFA ruled against them on a number of cases that were appealed to them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obe1Kenobi0

Fair point....my head is wrecked. This could go on for ages and could make a mess of both divisions with 3 teams out of action for what could be a potentially long time

Well, after the 22 league games in 1A we finished joint 2nd, tied on points with Corbally... so that's as close as you can come !

how far away were Hill Celtic from the 3rd from bottom team in the Premier ?

:D
23/08/2006, 3:39 PM
old git

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaidin

Exactly, Park should have not been allowed to drop a division. They have B and C teams so they should have been told to use the players from those teasm to make an A team.

Also, lets just say Park were to win 1A this year. Will they be allowed to go straight back into the premier league?

park have serious problems seems to have been a bit of a row in the camp... they have no c team anymore

plus the team they have at the moment they will be lucky to not be relegated out of division 1 a :eek: :eek:
23/08/2006, 3:45 PM
Mercurial Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallas_United

Well, after the 22 league games in 1A we finished joint 2nd, tied on points with Corbally... so that's as close as you can come !

how far away were Hill Celtic from the 3rd from bottom team in the Premier ?

:D

Well PU, i seen Herbertstown play a few times last year and I can honestly tell you that they wouldn't last pi$$ing time in the Premier League.
Regarding Hill celtic's situation, they were very close to staying up last year, indeed it went to the final game and Park just finished ahead of them.
By the way i have no connection whatsoever to Hill Celtic before you ask.
23/08/2006, 3:49 PM
Pallas_United

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercurial Vapor

Well PU, i seen Herbertstown play a few times last year and I can honestly tell you that they wouldn't last pi$$ing time in the Premier League.

Well, hopefully we get to see if your right or not !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercurial Vapor

Regarding Hill celtic's situation, they were very close to staying up last year, indeed it went to the final game and Park just finished ahead of them.
By the way i have no connection whatsoever to Hill Celtic before you ask.

okay !

still, we were closer - heheheh...
23/08/2006, 4:03 PM
Mercurial Vapor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pallas_United

Well, hopefully we get to see if your right or not !

okay !

still, we were closer - heheheh...

Technically not because they have played Premier football and ye have not. Didn't the team ye finished 2nd with give ye a hammering in the final league game of the season before the play-off.
23/08/2006, 4:28 PM
shelbourne1904

[QUOTE=Goals4fun;520762]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goals4fun

all in all i wonder how many of the park people that were involced in the meeting where the talks broke down, are still at the club in their time of need ????

Believe it or not some of them are playing for Newtown!!!!!!
23/08/2006, 4:29 PM
Pallas_United

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercurial Vapor

Technically not because they have played Premier football and ye have not. Didn't the team ye finished 2nd with give ye a hammering in the final league game of the season before the play-off.

... I were havin' a larf ...

:p

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