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FAI Chief Executive John Delaney has welcomed today's news which sees €5 million allocated to Irish football under the Sports Capital Grants scheme.
Amongst the recipients are UCD who receive €1.25 million towards their Belfield Bowl project.
Belfield it is so!
Heard a roumer that Bray got €350,000
Whats a roumer?
All part of the circus of the absurd that is sports/football admin - SRFC for FIFA TV showpiece, A. Kelly for EUFA ref panel, and a slush fund for UCD of all clubs. Maybe it's time finally to admit that things just aren't meant to make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
i really fail to see what this thread has to do with rovers or shels?
but it will be interestiing to see the UCD whingebags explain to us how this fits into 'the fai are out to get us' conspiracy theory...
Both in need of a ground for possibly the end of this season and next season?.
kdjac
I think you'll find both clubs play in grounds already !!
and both clubs have plans to move into other grounds...
for another couple of weeks, but it has nothing to do with UCD finally getting a stadium sorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
weeks yeah....
Where will you be playing your football :D
you are in the same boat, the difference is, we have money.
so hold off being a smartarse....
Don't see how anyone can have a problem with UCD getting this money - they have a coherent development plan, a readymade, zoned site, they are tax compliant, they live entirely within their means; if I were an ordinary tax payer with no interest in the EL, they'd be about the only club in the capital, taking recent history into account, that I'd be happy to see getting public money
Well said Son of stan!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by sonofstan
fair play to UCD. Think wws' point was that if, as rumoured, Shels are out of Tolka pretty sharpish and Morton isn't good enough, thaat leaves Richmond, Dalymount and now Belfield Bowl to fit in 6 clubs... Don't need a degree in maths to get his point, even if you don't agree with it
Why? Do you still subscribe to the theory that we're funded by the college?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
From what I see, it seems to be a grant from the Dept. of Sport which has been welcomed and publicised by the FAI. Given that it's a sport thing and that we will be ground sharing with the UCD rugby club, we're as strong a case as anyone for government investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
UCD won't allow another club to groundshare for insurance reasons. (Or at least, that's the college's official policy) So that's us out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It simply wouldn't be feasible in any case. Summer football or not, there would be overlapping with the rugby season. You'd have three clubs using a stadium for several months. I think the original post was tongue in cheek though.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Well d'uh but that doesn't mean wws can't geta dig at Rovers and/or Shels...
Plus CHF are already sharing Dalymount and I assume after Seery's experience with Roddy that he's learned the value of contracts so that rules out Dalymount too.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Which leaves only Richmond, unless Shels and / or Rovers want to play homes games in either Bray or Drogheda. Eeenie, meenie, miney, moe...
WWS / Dodge, what shall we start the bidding at? :D
You're right Dodge...we're missing the fundamental element of this thread! :)
Anybody can "have plans". Ollie's "had plans" for months now, if not years. Athlone, Cobh, Bray, UCD and Longford have sufficiently plausible plans to be given grant money. Nothing for Shels though. Wonder why.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Longford Cobh and Bray are in the grounds they want to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Athlone have a half a stand built for months now and need to finish it.
UCD have the land secured I assume and this money will go towards the development.
Shels do not need money for Tolka as we wont be there!
As for Santry, its a complicated issue as there is currently money going towards the stadium from a few councils and Clonliffe Harriers. There is still discussions going on about what will happen to Morton Stadium.
What kind of grant would you ask for if you were Shels?
a grant of probateQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
I thought there was an announcement on the ground due about now? If you had a plan, you'd at least surely apply to get some money to put in place the improvements needed in the plan? You don't have to spend the money immediately, don't forget. But it'd be nice to see someone outside the club showing some confidence in this "plan".
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Originally Posted by higgins
What about Whitehall? Or have the club stopped looking for a ground and fully settled on Santry? Its there and im sure Shels would have /are looking at it as an option.
kdjac
Tony Grant?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Best bit of boasting I've seen in a while - "You lot are going to be screwed when the ground you're currently renting gets reposessed from it's owners... So there!":DQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
define "screwed"
Shelbourne Football ClubQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
What the hell are UCD, a bowl & €1,250,000 gonna do together?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Play rugby by the sound of it. All of a sudden that "wear your Leinster jersey" promotion starts to make sense. Maybe that's their cunning plan in response to Delaney wanting to shaft them over the new league criteria: pocket a load of his government grant money, switch to being a rugby club and flip Dear John the finger when he looks for his wad back..
Higgins, it's not so complicated that you couldn't read Fingal Co. Council's statement on it - just cos Shelbourne don't release statements doesn't mean no-one else does.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
FCC own Morton, they manage it and fund it, Clonliffe Harriers are the anchor tenants with guaranteed tenancy rights. They have those rights in return for turning the stadium over to FCC (which is one council, not "a few"). The most FCC will give you is a lease agreement. Someone else can give you the link, I can't be bothered.
The only complication is for you lot deciding whether long-term, you want to play second fiddle to Rovers in Tallaght or some bunch of pole-vaulters in Santry. Neither of which is gonna happen anytime soon.
Are Fingal County Council the only Council putting money into Morton ?
Dublin City, Fingal County and South County was what I called a few.
It might come as a surprise to you but all we had on Tolka was a lease too.
If I was in the hot seat at Tolka I'd do 101 things different but I'm not.
Or they could play second fiddle to Pats.
Or try building their own place
Is this the sweetner for relegating UCD?
Do the FAI have any input into how these grants are allocated or do the clubs just apply directly to the government?
Im not sure but they have a very close working relationship
FAI basically decide who gets them AFAIK. D/Sport just check the legalities of it (Tax compliant, Planning permission, etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
I don't know to what extent you are funded by the college. Are you saying that your association with the college brings you no benefit, direct or indirect, apart from the tens of undergraduates that flock to UCD games? If you are saying that UCD do not benefit from the likes of eased facility overheads and player incentives, I'm happy to accept that at face value.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
But I still don't think that an outfit called after a college is a proper football club.
As opposed to a club named after a group of travellers?
It does. But no more than any county council helps out most football clubs, I would imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Now that's just stupid. See Dodge's post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
If it were me, I'd be dividing the money by the cost of a six-pack in my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
Seriously, though (other UCD fans who know it better, feel free to correct me), the college has decided that Belfield Park is to be knocked and built on. The college is selling off its outlying areas (e.g. Earlsfort Terrace, etc) and moving everything to campus. So they're getting a bit pressed for space. They've decided that there's no point having two separate grounds for rugby and football when they can move the two in together. This'd be in the Belfield Bowl out beside the Sports Centre. There's planning permission in for a ground to minimum UEFA Licencing standards (with possibilities to expand if necessary), with the hope of being open for next season, though that seems a bit close now. The permission is currently being held up by some aul biddy who apparently makes a habit of objecting to everything the college does.
The club had, a few years ago, designed a four-part plan to turn Belfield Park into a 4000 seater ground or so, with a 1200 seater cantilever stand on the hill, but obviously this had to be shelved once the college came up with its own plans.
It'll be interesting to see how the groundshare with the rugby team goes. On the one hand, it's a rugby pitch. On the other hand, the college do, in fairness to them, have a track record of building top-notch sporting facilities - viz the international hockey arena, the athletics track used for many senior events, the Sports Centre itself, etc. So hopefully it'll work out!
That would be were we get €385,000 and not have to sell our ground to survive. Hope that clears it up for ya ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan