When a top billing game like Shels V Derry gets less than 1000 through the turnstiles?
Shels must be in trouble if thats all they get.
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When a top billing game like Shels V Derry gets less than 1000 through the turnstiles?
Shels must be in trouble if thats all they get.
More like How do Shelbourne survive? If that match was at the Brandywell last night there would have been in excess of 4,000 people at it.
What distractions were there last night? There was nothing else on.
They couldn't even produce a programme at the Bohs game, because they owed their printers money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo
Probably their biggest attendence of the season and they lost out on that earner.
Tuesday night football, the day after a bank holiday and with very little media exposure doesnt work....
Nonsense shels would get the same crowd no matter when it was played. Dont forget crowds are down midweek too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Trader
Summer football has improved European results and overall the crowds have not declined.
KOH
Don't worry, the new Super Duper league will fix it all. See, you put the big clubs playing together and you have instantly large gates.:rolleyes:
Remind me why it was originally was called off again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Oh yeah because those idiots at Tolka gave a booking to the FAI for an u-17 international. :rolleyes:
They don't even play 90 mins :D
Really? You think Summer football has worked in terms of crowds? Can't see nay improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Makes it nocer for the hardcore though
Rogue Trader: summer football is the best thing that's happened to Irish football in decades. Are you seriously suggesting that we go back to sheets of rain on freezing cold January evenings? I was in Galway last Friday and it was a great evening for a game; away trips are a joy instead of a chore and I travel much more now than in the past.
If you can't get people out when the weather is good, how are you going to attract them in winter? It's not the weather's fault, it's down to the product and its packaging.
to be fair, attendences are up across the board, pats probably being the only exception. and thats more to do with the on the field decline than the summer time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
i'm genuinely shocked by that attendance. i know the jibes are about Shels having no fans but less that 1000 at a game of that importance defies belief
Was at the game, and based on last night's performance, Derr should be given a bye to every cup final, their fans brought a fantastic atmosphere to the game. Was sitting right beside them and they were so loud all the way through that you felt the ground was packed, even though the far side was completely empty.
summer football aint working (and i'd wager any money pats have the best crowds in dublin - and even they are pathetic)
check out el weekly
beautiful weather
dreadful attendances
and thats across the board. I suppose I could dabble in some delusion and believe the "attendance" thread on this board - but I dont need to - I can see it with my own eyes.
Reducing the prem to ten teams would kill it stone dead on this evidence
winter football was not working either. your memories of winter football are probably clouded by the fact that pats were winning leagues when we last played winter football, but believe below the top, it was not a nice experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
bad pitches, bad crowds, bad football and bloody freezing weather - how can anybody want to go back to that :confused:
i dont think i want to go back to it
its just the present format has not improved attendances
it has a fragmented structure which inhibits the game and doesnt promote it
the problem for me lies when people running the game trot out the line that summer football has led to an increase in attendances - it clearly has done nothing of the sort
wrong. It's Bohs.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
you give me certified attendance figures so.
or is this from the official el yip-do-skippedy-do-99-one-hundred-school of counting?
Do Pat's still give out official attendance figures at half time?
Yeah lets go back to ****ty weather and our teams getting hammered in europe:rolleyes:
Attendances have not changed significantly since summer football was brought in but the European results have.
Once the facilities are in place at every ground you will have an increase in crowds. How long that will take? Who knows?
But going back to winter football will be the death knell. Only nutters like keely and matthews want it and look at the "football" they produce.
KOH
I post the attendance figures here and they are 100% official. All our tickets are reconciled to cash etc. I can give you the breakdown by the kids, students/adults and members if you want. No idea about your system but our figures here are 100% accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
Why isn't SB sticking them in the programme anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by chippie0001
According to Shels web the official attendance was 1800
What should we read into that?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
Well the OP stated that there was less than 1000 so just thought I would correct. However, i felt there was no more than 1300......
more propaganda from Ollie and the boys down in Tolka :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
That's a poor crowd, but is anyone really that surprised?
Attendances around the league overall are fairly awful- and summer football hasn't helped at all. It definately makes away trips and everything more pleasant, but crowds are still woeful and pitches are if anything worse for a large part of the season.
Yeah, and they were always absolutely prestine in the olden days in and around January or February, while last night's match would have been a definite sell-out if it were in November:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
Where did I say that pitches were 'prestine'? I just said they weren't any better now.
I also didn't say that last night would have been a sell-out.
I'm not saying we should go back to winter football, just that a lot of the benefits we were told summer football would bring haven't materialised.
The differnce in the playing surfaces is that they actually improve over the course of the season nowadays, as opposed to before when most were in rag order about midway through and would have no opportunity to recover. Attendance are, I believe, better, albeit marginally. The first thing we must all accept is that there is no quick-fix solution to any of this league's problems, the same can be said of the FAI's proposals - nothing happens overnight, so anyone out there expecting a revolution in the development of the game in the immediate aftermath of the switch to summer football needs to cop themselves on.
Patience is a virtue.
Firstly, last night's game was the first I didn't wear my jacket to. Don't get carried away lads with a title of Summer in "Summer Soccer". I prefer going to games in the "Summer" months cos its that bit brighter, and somewhat drier, but we still get sh1t weather.
As for attendances, Friday night in Dublin is a night when most of the people either head off home to their outside dublin locations, or they go for a pint after work etc. I have seen plenty of supporters have a pint too many and not leave to go to a game. Shels don't have a good support. There is no big surprise there. But plenty of other clubs don't either, or didn't up to recently.
I'm sorry to say but to the majority of people think our league is a novelty at best. Regardless of a good game or not, more people than not still think its not worth 15/16 euro in to see each week. Simple as that. I envy teams that are the only club in town, ie Drogs, Sligo, Cork, Derry, as you can tap an entire city or town, and people automatically will associate the team with the area. Its harder to do when your in a city with 5 or 6 other teams and before people say Dublin has a huge population, a large proportion is made up of people from other counties. Its very hard to change peoples opinions on EL soccer and its even harder to actually get them into the grounds.
You must have been roasting on Friday! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
I was in France on Friday. My point was one week doesn't make a summer, unless your irish!!! :)
do the EL have a marketing department and if so what do they do for a living.
It was a disappointing crowd for such a lovely evening but the game itself was excellent.
The pitch was in good nick and the players were able to pass.
I agree with a lot of what you say Gareth. Personally I don't think the potential is there for the rapid immediate improvement in attendances and public image of the league which Genesis/the new league structure think it can bring. I wouldn't exactly point to the number of clubs in Dublin as a problem though. If people of specific areas could identify as strongly with their local clubs as people do in one club towns like Cork and Derry then there would be more than enough people for the 6 clubs.
the EL marketing dept as a whole is grossly underfunded I think and well, to get it in the face of everyone and to really drive the league, you would need a multi million euro campaign and even then you'll have to cross the fingers and say three hail marys!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
I believe that the 22 clubs need to co-operate together with peak efficiency at the management level rather than the bickering and one upmanship that sometimes occurs. I believe in the league as a whole. Ok, personally I am a huge Shelbourne supporter, but I don't let that stand in the way of looking at other clubs and hoping they progress etc or looking at my own club and looking at the failings. I think that the only real way forward would be for a clubwide co-operation to promote every single aspect of the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Gareth, a concerted effort backed by proper marketing funding would be great but you don't need any other strings attached to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
That's something I hear a lot too. I think 15 euro is a bit steep for a match and puts new people off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth