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We will never qualify for major tournaments again, cause we ain't got the talent.. was the headlines in one of Sundays papers from yours truly Mark Lawerson.. i thought it was a sweeping statement at first then I started to think about players like that pansy O'Shea and Fatboy Andy Reid, and sulky Carr, and thought maybe he's right, the current crop are really an un-inspiring bunch apart from Richie Dunne and Shay Given the rest have no real fire in the belly!!
Where are the quotes from Lawrenson.
As Jimmy magee said in November 1985 Ireland will never qualify for a major tournament in his lifetime.
4 and counting Jimmy although in fairness few after watching the Denmark game would have disagreed.
Yes, Lawro was in the Sunday Worst, who cares what he thinks. Why does anyone ask him anything in the first place is beyond me. It was "We this, we that", during the WC on BBC it will still be "we this we that"....
He has a point but I dont think its all doom and gloom, but as reality said we have some god awful losers in the team ....O'shea, Breen, Carr , Miller , A reid, with some other players having plenty of non eventful games to...kilbane morrison, finnan and holland (when he was playing) carsley to. I dont think we will qualify this time around, i think we will really struggle with slovakia for the 3rd spot.Away games will probably be painful to watch
exactly-its just a paid job for him at this stage, however would have to agree with him. we'll have to content ourselves with being a bag o sh ite for a while just like our northern chums.
i fully expect us to be there or there abouts come the end of qualifying but just to have not enough in the tank and miss out. i do think we will do better than the last qualifying group though, and any improvement must be welcomed.
any improvement must be welcomed but this is the first time in my football watching life (im 25) where i can say that i fully expect us NOT to qualify. Never before felt that way. when names like o'shea and miller above are mentioned as starters, its easy to get depressed.
Excuse me, i think i've got something in my eye :( :( :(
What exactly did he say does anybody know. Not what the headline was but what was in quotes from Lawreson in the article. I am sure he qualified it (pardon the pun) in some way.
Doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
eh? sure thats the way he always is in the studio-we meaning england of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Knee-jerk reaction to the Chile game, if he said it at all.We all know that we need to improve dramatically to finish even fourth in the group.Tbh I don't think Lawro gives a toss if we ever qualify for another tournament, his team are playing in the world cup so why should he give a fcuk.
cos the times pays him to! act like he does anyways
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Originally Posted by FarBeag
Maybe I don't watch the BBC's football coverage enough as I don't ever recall him referring to England as "we".Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
:ball: PP
You obviously don't watch it enough. If I recall correctly he's even defended it in the past when he's been pulled up on it. He's even worse than Houghton for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Definitely said it on screen numerous occasions. Less then Townsend though
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Originally Posted by as_i_say
never heard him refer to england as "we" ever. your assertion otherwise is complete rubbish
jbyrne, he most certainly has. Numerous occasions.
We've a better chance than some people might think- the Czechs have an ageing team and Germany arn't as good as they used to be.
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
There is only one Mark Lawerson isn't there?The ugly smug one with the thatch on his head who looks lovingly into Gary Lineker's eyes on MOTD, who used to play for Ireland but would rather have played for England.If this is the chap then he is an Englishman who supports England and is Irish when he gets paid to be.
To be honest I know for fact that John Motson said in a friendly that we all hope that Wayne Rooney does not get injured before the summer and Lawrenson butted in and said speak for yourself. Thats not a word for word quote but the gist of it was that Lawrenson did not want to be seen as an England fan.
He does have the co commentators job for the England games ahead of Le Saux during the summer.
Maybe he just hates Rooney.
Anybody who has not heard Lawro say "we" when England is playing must never watch BBC or else just never listen.
really?why would he bother saying something like that?-i think joe brit public would consider lawro to be an england fan at this stage. in what context did he say that can u remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
well, never heard it myself and if i did i'd be the first to be on here giving out about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Fine. But don't having a go at the numerous who have heard it (and its been mentioned here before too)
From Liverpool v Man Utd game:
John Motson: "We all get a little worried when you see Wayne Rooney
go down injured... from an England perspective.
Mark Lawrenson: "Speak for yourself."
Well I personally never heard Lawro refer to England as "we". I also heard him say what Neil has referred to and he definitely wanted to make it clear he doesn't support England.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
Andy Gray is fine between two teams in the EPL but when it comes to British teams in Europe he is so over the top and biased its unreal. Townsend and Mc Coist are a joke to be honest but that is more to do with ITV in my view. They ruin all good football coverage. Venables used to be great on BBC but then went to ITV and became rubbish.
The BBC are getting that way with Muppet Ian Wright and Peter Schmeichael.
I agreee.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzo
Who cares whether Lawrenson has said "we" or not.
The real problem we have is our seedings. We're constantly going to be thrown into groups with 2 to 3 better teams. This is the cycle that Charlton broke (with a little help from Gary McKay) and is one the major obstacles we face. A good showing in this campaign is, I believe, crucial to our seeding.
He's English/Irish sure - he's entitled to call England "us".Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Don't agree with the assertion though (pending quote, obviously). "Never" is a long time. Other countries will go through a lull like us. We'll go through an up period again. We need a strong third-place finish in the 2008 group at worst though to maintain our seeding and build up some momentum.
No chance!Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulrock
To be fair to Lawernson he never refers to England as "we" and considers himself Irish. He often puts down John Motson in commentary when Motson refers to England as "we". Lawernson will come out with something like "speak for yourself John". He's done this loads of times and often does it along with Hansen to Lineker in studio.
That's the one Neil, jesus you must have some memory to remember the exact game and all! :D I just remember him saying it cos I said 'good on ya Lawro' at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
There's at least 3 of us on this threa dwho have heard it numerous timesQuote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
How are you so sure about that? Maybe he did say what you think he said to Motson but how do you know what he was actually talking about?I have seen enough evidence on tele to assure me where Mark Lawernson's allegiances lie and its not with the boys in green.Lets wait for another few months toi see, and it will settle this silly debate. Don’t forget to tune into BBC for all the England games though so listen carefully now.:D
I've been keeping tracks on this. Quite a few times recently Lawrenson has been insistent on being Irish and has been far more objective than most about the English. Most notably after Engalnd won the Rugby WC in '02 when Lineker was being his smug self and Lawrenson said it was hard for him to take all the gloating, being an Irishman. Motson threw a jibe at him about being having been an Irishman in the past during the 2006 FA Cup Final commentry (I think) and Lawrenson didn't react, disappointingly. Motson is a **** by the way, but that's a different story! But honestly, the only time I ever hear Lawrenson referring to "we" or "us" it's about the Irish.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
I remember that vividly too. Excellent example.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Ok maybe I am wrong but my perception was that he liked to consider himself English. Anyway as was said plenty of opportunities for this debate to be sorted out in the coming weeks. Maybe there is other reasons why he gets on my nerves other than that then:D. I guess we are all off topic here in one way or another. But I still dont agree with what he said in the Sunday Worst either.
fair enough. ive never heard him describing himself as irish myself but have heard him talk about england and use "we" (BBC only of course) so maybe he's having some sort of identity crisis or the lads at the times are giving him grief!
it stands to reason he probably considers himself both, erm for some reason.