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Launch last monday. Anyone read it? Is it as right-wing as its UK sister paper?
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RTE
Launch last monday. Anyone read it? Is it as right-wing as its UK sister paper?
I'd a bit of a look at it Monday. Some well-written articles on the top irish stories in the first few pages.
Also a brilliant section for puzzles if you're into that thing.
A lot of stuff taken from the british version though and a lot of showbiz gossip if you're into that.
Their front page was Michael Flatley talking about himself.
So if its strange versions of sudoku and titilating famous sex stories you might have a new friend in this paper.
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Originally Posted by Risteard
Thx - you've saved me the euro or so to staisfy my curiosity;)
Yet another identity-switch by a Brituish paper looking to make a few more bobn from the same stuff that they sell in England.
The Mail in England has consistently been what could fairly be described as anti-Irish. I remember distinctly an attack it launched some years back upon EU Agricultural Commissioner Padraig Flynn (a distant relative of my mother). Rather than criticise him forn his policies and approach, the attack was almost solely and totally based upon the fact that he was Irish. Stereotyping along the lines of 'what would that aul eejit from the bogs of the back of beyond in Ireland know about anythign anyway'. Shameful.
Sad thing is the Irish will buy this rubbish - like they do with the Sun. In case anyone is under any illusions about how 'Irish' these English tabloids are when they come over, check out the cover of both the English and Irish Sun from back when the IRA decommissioned. The Irish version had a photograph saying something along the lines of 'Peace at Last'. The English one had the same photo, but said 'Surrender'. They're instinctively right-wing and English, but will pat the Irish on the head and tell them something different if it makes them a few more quid. Don't buy them.
The right-wing anti-Irish newspaper decides to set up in Ireland. They can take their racist views and propoganda back to Britain with them.
Another rag in the collection of rag Irish newspapers. Not good enough to wipe my arse with.
maybe it is english people living in Ireland who are buying it?
would easily be in the hundreds of thousands.
It's not aimed at the English in Ireland. If it was, the market would be too small and they wouldn't need to go to the expense of altering the content at all. It's clearly being marketed to the Paddies. Who undoubtedly will buy it.... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by klein4
Well that story about Sam McGuire being brought for a lap of honour in Celtic Park etc in their Sunday version (Mail on Sunday) was a load of rubbish, taking a sizable dig at the Oirish....
yeah I know that it is not aimed at them:rolleyes: but it might account for the sales figures of 10,000 posted in another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
If i'm correct the Daily Mail is well known for being huge fans of the royalty & sterling. Also very anti immigrant so will be interesting to see how long it takes for them to latch nto that here.
I wonder why they didn't give the paper a new title avoiding comparison with the Daily Mail...?
Because they don't need to ! Why go to the hassle and expense of establishing a new brand in a highly competitive marketplace like newspapers, when you know the stupid Irish will give you their money to buy the original brand anyway !?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
It seems YOU are more anti irish than the daily mail!!!!!!!!!:eek:
I had my anti mail rant on the Brian Kerr piece in the Irish football forum, so do not want to duplicate posts. However, the Daily Mail deserves all the negative feedback it gets. I cant see a copy of the English version in the office today but if there was I would be happy to point out a few of its "articles". Stay well away from it please. Nothing upsets me more than that rag,
read the free one i was given on its first day.
majority of the content is english, esp in the middle.
very female oriented, trying to lure the ladies away from a vunerable indo. 2 pages and editorial on emily o'reilly refinding god and how more successful women should do this blah blah. big 'family values' theme.
Clearly not many irish people familiar with the type of trash the Daily Mail comes out with in the UK. Worked with a guy who used to buy (he claimed was for the sports) as he used to live in the Uk years ago. I used to slag him off about his liking for royalty. :D I remember they had a poll for retention of the pound & only 3% voted against as was preaching to the converted.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Daily Mail - love the royals, hate immigrants, love the pound, hate europe.
According to the Guardian media section (a few weeks ago) where it gives 'paper sales, bulks etc - it mentioned that Associated Newspaper's (Daily Mail owners) huge investment in 'Ireland on Sunday' was met by fairly encouraging sales but making massive losses and might have peaked and be in decline. It's figures are also "bumped up" by peaks when they gave out free (and crap) CDs, mags etc.
So, if Ass. Newspapers is making massive losses, changing editors and so on, it might appear that this Sunday's days are numbered. Ditto their weekday sister 'paper.
Hopefully soon.:) IOS is a distinctly unpleasant 'paper and has had distinctly unpleasant editors. This new 'paper - like the other Oirish rags - will only hurry the rush to the bottom, standards-wise.
I notice down here that the numbers of IOS - UNSOLD - appears to increase every week, even when it has free CDs. Newsagents have told me they're sick of cutting the tops off** the bigger and bigger piles which grow each Sunday and are demanding smaller amounts of the 'paper but mounds of them are still dumped despite their requests.
It would be great to see new Irish-controlled newspapers (Tony O'Reilly excepted) here but I've always been amazed why the Guardian/Observer has never opened a proper Irish edition. It has a fine record of truth, fairness and objectivity on Irish matters - especially at the height of "the troubles", when it got wholesale abuse from both other media and Tories for its stance on the evidence regarding Birmingham Six/Guildford Four/Anti-Terrorism Act affairs etc - has had many Irish journalists over the years (remember the recent Iraqi kidnapping) and so on.
Just look at the pathetic attemptes of the Sunday Tribune attempting to copy it.
Anyway, newspaper sales are starting to decline due to the internet so it's amazing people are still willing to even start up new newspapers anywhere except the African continent where newspaper sales and readership are increasing (less access to the net I guess).
**For the few that mightn't know, newsagents cut the masthead/date off the top of each unsold newspaper and return this to the distributor/newspaper as an unsold copy.
Have heard some nasty stories about the way IOS treat their staff & manner they go about getting stories. Even the established anglo-irish tabloids never don't stoop as low.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirhamish
I still get the Tribune sometimes but more out of habit than anything else.
Was talk before of the Examiner or the Irish Times going a sunday paper but heard nothing on recently.
See the Daily Mail tv ads? "most of all they like the strong family values"
Family Values = right wing crap. To be avoided methinks
I also noticed the "we will tell you what you thinking...not what to think..." to which i associate with "...immigrant sponger..." stories...
It's called parody Klein4....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by klein4
And hardly, given some of the stuff the Mail has gone on-record as saying.
And besides - anyone Irish who buys an inherently anti-Irish rag like the Daily Mail is self-evidently stupid. What next - turkeys buying shares in Bernard Matthews ??
Yeah, the Mail was even writing anti-Irish crap about pigs in the parlour even in the 90s, for God's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Yeah too, Pete, they have an awful record with staff - look at the high turnover too. Always a bad sign, I reckon.
[QUOTE=dcfcsteve]It's called parody Klein4....:rolleyes:
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was obviously a joke! (and done in the style of a daily mail writer)
Lest you find yourself in the company of a sad-act reading the Irish Daily Mail, here's a couple of of their more choice quotes to regail them with as you call their sanity into question :
1994 : Paul Johnson (Columnist).
Whilst writing on of the Mail's favourite topics - sponging immigrants - he said that certain nationalities specialise in defrauding British taxpayers "First into the field, needless to say, were the Irish", he wrote, accusing us of flocking to Britain to claim the dole "as a kind of patriotic duty".
1996 : Bruce Anderson (columnist)
In an article attacking Ireland's then EU Commissioner over his European agricultural policies, he repeated Johnson's allegations, and said "As soon as you arrive in Ireland you leave the modern world". He described the West of Ireland as "a world of farm subsidies and corruption... based on the pig and potato and ruled over by the priest".He also libelled Padraig Flynn personally by trotting out all the usual anti-Irish character stereotypes. The Mail eventually publically apologised for this article, and paid-out damages to Flynn.
Well done Steve on taking the time to show some examples although to be fair you do not have too look very hard when it comes to the Mail. Maybe you should pull together a selection of their infamous "Paddy" cartoons with a few Evening standard examples thrown in for good measure. I am happy to report both papers have now ceased this so perhaps our chance for our "day of anger" has gone
Couldn't put it better myself. Anyone buying the Mail is striving to be the thick Paddy that the paper likes to portray. Same goes for the Sun (too many anti-Irish articles to recount), the Express (likewise) or the Mirror (remember that rant coming up to Wembley 91?). But didn't The Irish Scum greet the news of Croke Park being opened up to soccer with a dig at GSTQ being played there?Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Oddly enough, the Mail sells heaps of copies in Euros. It's the Costa Syndrome, where patriotic Brits who love their country fanatically and hate foreigners with an equal passion so much that they, erm, go and live abroad. You know; place ain't like what it was, too many foreigners who don't speak the language, etc. The Mail has an iteresting history. Leaving aside it's brief support for one of our most famous British guests of the 20th century, Oswald Moseley, it started life as a jingoist rag in 1896, just in time for the lead up to the Boer War. It's founder, Lord Harmsworth, claimed that his readers 'relished a 'good hate.'' With a stable of collumnists like Richard Littlesh*t, Peter Sh*tins and Simon Heffer they still get plenty to fuel to vent their spleen.
So what does that leave us with?Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
The Star ? or maybe the Guardian.
Doesn't that leave you with three daily Irish papers (four if you include the Irish News)? Maybe the Sunday World could come up with a daily pile of tripe to cater for those that find the Times, Blueshirt and Examiner a bit too highbrow. FFS, there's enough scandal in the country and if there's a slow 'news' week then purchase the story from the British rags, as the Indo often does.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
15 January 2006 Paul Drury
Parading of "IRA TROPHY" Puts Pressure on Celtic
Obviously anyone from here buying this rag is an imbecile. But more and more this country is becoming a sub state of britain. The tv shows, the papers, the football clubs Irish people "support", calling each other "mate" etc etc........
KOH
Dublin is worse than the rst of the country too. Its possible to live in Dublin & not even be aware anything exists outsdie the pale. I find thatnmost places outside the pale look towards Dublin first (political & economic centre) whereas Dublin looks to Britian first.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Jesus that is utter nonsense:eek: Do you have to be from cork to come up with this rubbish?Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
KOH
And don't forget the Belfast Newsletter and Belfast Telegraph. (I wish I could as they're both ****e, but there you go) :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Lopez, I hope you're not suggesting thatQuote:
Originally Posted by lopez
a) the Indo is highbrow (it's worse than most of the red tops, and certainly well behind the Star in terms of quality journalism)
b) a FG paper - long time since that was the case, FF through and through these days.
I have lived in Dublin for over 6 years so feel my opinion is somewhat informed. have you lived in Ireland outside Dublin?Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
I lived for 2 years in cork. A lot of country people come to live in the capital but a lot less Dubs go to live down the country so I am very informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
KOH
Until it comes to the North and labour relations, then the Indo is safely back in William Martin Murphy/rabid Blueshirt mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
KOH
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
anyone else with me that theres more than a grain of truth to Bruce Anderson's thoughts as described above??
Is there a difference between FF and FG on labour relations? Only way FG could be more right wing than FF would be to be the PD's!Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Maybe that's why they apologised and paid-out compensation..... ? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by wws
Sure is, Bertie is the Unions' "friend" don't forget - Dublin Airport etc. Bertie knows that there's votes in the unions, that's why IBEC and the other bosses groups hate him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Having said that it's all posturing and electioneering by Bertie and he always has the PD attack dogs to do the nasty work for him. But I would still say that FF are the lesser of two evils when it comes to the big parties. Particularly when it comes to the North. There'd have been no GFA if FG had been in power.
Personally I'm hoping for a FF/Lab government next time. That would have 2 positive side-effects - 1) Rabbitte gone and 2) the PDs gone.
KOH
Works out great for both parties - Bertie still the friend of the unions (votes for FF) & PDs enemy of the unions (votes for them). Each preaching to its own core base.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers