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Very little mention of the Licensing on here lately, the absolute deadlines for final submissions are this week, anyone have any details on how their clubs applications are faring out.
Ours should be passed, kinda lucky we are not in Whitehall, although we would have been okay in the end, it would have been a huge amount of extra work.
The process is confidential.
Why do you need to gatecrash it and attempt to find out unconfirmed information?
Yeah, you could further embarrass the FAI by getting info which doesn't tally with the final licence awards!!!
When are the final announcements?
as long as we fill ours out in the right colour pen we should be ok
Is it Saturday at the league AGM? Fixtures are out in the next couple of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
Is that not asking for trouble, getting the licensing results and deciding the league format all in one meeting? Surley a day or two after the licensing results would allow people to consider the implications of any surprises.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I see you managed to get the ideas of the FAI and "asking for trouble" into the one post. Well done. I'd say that took some thinking!
Yeah right, like there'll be any surprises... Status Quo maintained methinksQuote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
The first meeting of the first instance committee (who award the licence) is the day before the AGM, so i don't think the results will be published before the AGM either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I am well aware the process is confidential, thats to protect the clubs who may be having problems in certain areas. We have no problem with our application at the moment, and are fairly comfortable that we will be awarded a licence at the first go, complete disasters aside.
If clubs wish to promote themselves and release details they are more than able to do so. Clubs who have all their business in order shouldn't have a problem with discussing the whole process.
i think the lack of enthusiasm this time round is the certaintly the FAIlure will fudge the issue on the grounds at least 10 clubs have no tax certs
I read (admittedly in the herald) that the requirement for an up to date tax cert has been removed. Mayby someone can confirm that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
If true, this is an outrageous slap in the face for clubs that run their affairs properly and pay their taxes properly.Quote:
I read (admittedly in the herald) that the requirement for an up to date tax cert has been removed. Mayby someone can confirm that.
Thats about the size of it ... what is the process in place for at all if it is only going to be a half-baked job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
Totally incorrect, don't know where they got one, the tax clearance cert is very much a big requirement of the application.Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
So are they going to publish the fixture list before the results of the licensing process is known?Quote:
Originally Posted by Breifne
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Sat 28th January 2006: eircom League AGM, Kilmurry Lodge Hotel, Limerick
Mon 13th February 2006: Announcement of eircom League 2006 Season Fixtures
From fai.ie
The process for awarding Licences to eircom League clubs for the 2006 domestic season is well underway now with all twenty two applications currently being reviewed. Safety and infrastructure audits have taken place at every ground. The FAI Club Licensing Committee will meet in the week of 23rd January 2006 to consider clubs' licence applications with any appeals being determined in early February, thereby affording the eircom League sufficient time to prepare the fixture schedule for next season.
For a change we're one of the handful of clubs with nothing to worry about
I was of the impression that they had said somewhere along the line that last years TCC would suffice for this years licencing applications!? A bizarre state of affairs if true, though unsuprising considering the lack of enthusiasm to follow through on actually doing the thing properly, then again maybe they'll just sit around and wait for a club to come forward & offer the information that they dont comply with the licencing requirements:(
Koh
anyone still not reckon we were hard done by?
Clearly it should be no problem for a team that had a Premier licence last season now get a less strict 1st division licence but then again this is the FAI...Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
We had no licence last season if you remember. And instead of kicking us out they deducted us 8 points. Another FAI/eL fudge. BTW we'd have no problem securing a Premier licence this year and if the rules were properly enforced it would be a one team league.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
DvB is correct in that last years TCC will suffice this year. Why do we bother?
KOH
I think this might be a slight on the efforts being put in by the other eircom league clubs, we all acknowledge and support the efforts in restoring Shamrock Rovers to its former glory days, and salute the individuals prepared to dip into their own pockets to help the cause. Lord knows every other club in the country would love to have that as a back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
I accept that some clubs do not take the licencing seriously enough, and just do enough to pass the process. Others are on top of things completely, and for them it is not enough to just pass the licence, they must also be running their affairs correctly, and put a large effort into the licence application process.
I can honestly say that as far as Dublin City are concerned this is one of the most important things that the club does each and every year. We take it extremely seriously and have devoted a large amount of time over the last four or five months to ensuring that we are 100% compliant at the first stage. We are confident we will be awarded a licence first time around.
I presume Revenue and your creditors think the same about youQuote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
As long as the EL apply the same principles to every other club going forward and take similar action, then no, you weren't hard done by, other than being unfortunate enough that you were the first to be caught. What Rovers did re the accounts was basically corporate fraud, as opposed to a simple oversight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
However, based on past experiences its hard to have confidence that the rules will be applied consistently in future.
BTW the fact that the points deduction was not provided for is a bit of a red herring. If the League had stuck to the rules Rovers wouldn't have been permitted to play in the EL at all last season.
i think the point the hoops on this thread are trying to make, is that if the league had stuck to the rules, most, if not all, clubs wouldn't have been permitted to play in the EL at all last season. or the coming season for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
why should we pay our tax on time, in full, and it appears nearly all of the rest not? why should we be the only EL club with the correct tax cert and see the el change the rules for the other 21 clubs?
and bear in mind we approached the el to point out the licencing issue last year and they were initially happy to ignore it. only in FAI land is integrity a relegatable offence!!!
we are within our rights to be ****ed off in div 1 on a technicality that appears to no longer be an issue.
If you count the same cert used in the 2005 application, which is being allowed again in the new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breifne
The tax cert can date from 31/10/2004. Ironically Rovers could have submitted the same on as before the examinership and still passed.
This is correct, but the fact is the expiry date on the cert (yes they do have expiry dates) must be after the application date 31/10/05, so anyone having problems with the tax man will probably have a more recent cert.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas
I think the Application for licences should take place a lot earlier, the new form and manual should be available by mid march or april, and the deadline for applications should be sometime in june or july. Giving the results in August.
I don't see and problem having the details six months older at the start of the season, any irregularities will be shown up the following year, so clubs will be aware that any things they let slip will come back to bite them.
so you dont consider it to be a fudge? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Breifne
And everyone else is within their rights to be ****ed off that your continued overspending kept you in the premier ahead of other more well balanced clubs for a fair few years without any sort of punishment. Im amy other league in europe you'd have been docked 10-15 points for the financial mess you were in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
And as you were playing without the license at all, maybe you can think yorself lucky you're still in the league at all and stop complaining about technicalities.
Trust me, pats fans know all to well about being "robbed" by technicalities. Complaining that everyone else was at it gets you nowhere....
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Oh sweet Jesus. IIRC an audit was done of all other clubs and despite Dolan's bluster no one else was cheating apart from Pats. In this case we are NOT complaining about the 8 point deduction or the subsequent relegation, we just want fairness across the board. Just like Pats got.
KOH
Complaining that everyone else was at it got you nowhere because simply everyone else wasnt at it !! :mad: Dolan pushed and pushed and eventually got what he wanted only for Pats to be found out a 2nd time ... :DQuote:
Trust me, pats fans know all to well about being "robbed" by technicalities. Complaining that everyone else was at it gets you nowhere....
You couldnt make it up...
As for Rovers I think the 8 points deduction was stupid. I agree there is no rule stating a points deduction can happen so the FAI should have used the rule that was in place and rightfully sent you to Division 1. I think you got lucky with only 8 points but then thats just me.
As for this years licences, how come Rovers fans seem to know that the other 21 league clubs would not get a licence if rules were followed? How can you know what other clubs submitted? As Im a Shels fan would you mind telling me where Shels fail in the licence process and how you got the information?
Rooney's report found that several players played unregistered. He get shafted by the FAI as well.
Oh and BTW I've never claimed we didn't deserve that punishment but if people are going to claim it was a "technicality" on your side than I'll do the same on mine.
The point I'm making is that Rovers deserve to be in the first division. :)
Not arguing with that one Dodge, we can thank Collins, Maguire etc for that one. And I never, ever claimed that Maguire and co's shoddy attempt at fraud was a "technicality", personally I think the cnuts should be in jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
My only point is that the licencing should be transparent, fair and equitable. Only then can we talk about improving the league. On that basis I have some sympathy for Pats over Marneygate. Despite the fact that no-one else got caught, it would be foolish in the extreme to think that no-one else was at it.
It's not going to happen though, it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas. See Higgins post above for the usual "How do you know Shels won't get a licence? Our application is all above board blah blah."
As far as I'm concerned, the League and the FAI will never sort this out and it'll be up to the Revenue to stop this once and for all. They've set up a compliance unit for sports and a number of clubs have already been visited. Although Higgins et al will deny to the rooftops that they are in trouble with the Revenue. Some of us know otherwise.
KOH
Some of us have been saying that for the last two years, never mind the twelve months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
The Licensing Process has been a fudge since the very beginning and lost a great deal of credibility long before the issue regarding Rovers came to light.
Licensing was compromised in year one when some details of a certain clubs reasons for failing initially were leaked on the Saturday mrning before the committee had even finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maribor
Not true. The only reasons we missed out on our licence in the first instance last time were minor technicalities including that they forgot to put my address and phone number on the forms! Doh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
Not all clubs are ducking and diving. Some of us do have our tax certs in order and are meeting most if not all criteria.
Can you use copy and paste???Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Where did you pull out that quote ?? Would you mind reading it back as you didnt understand it the first time :mad: and please dont misquote me or assume things about me. I asked a straight forward question as a shels fan who is interested in shels related matters, no other reason.
I want to know where shels are failing to meet the required standards.
Now here it is again because I would still like to know.
As for this years licences, how come Rovers fans seem to know that the other 21 league clubs would not get a licence if rules were followed? How can you know what other clubs submitted? As Im a Shels fan would you mind telling me where Shels fail in the licence process and how you got the information?
Lets turn the question around. Are you in possession of enough information to state unequivocally that Shels have submitted all the required information AND more importantly that the information contained in it is materially true, fair and correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
I didn't think so.
Beyond that anything is rumours and heresay.
However, it is on fairly public record, for example, that the Revenue are "puzzled" by some of the low declared incomes and PRSI payments by some EL clubs, when compared with average salaries and standards of living. Hence them setting up a special unit to investigate.
Unless there is enforcement of the licensing requirements by the EL the whole process will continue to be a farce.
Higgens' point is that several people have said here that Shamrock Rovers are the only club in compliance. He only wants more information on that point. He's admitted that he has no knowledge on the 22 license applications and he wonders how some people here say they do.