Well, does the "Harp Farm" exist? or do we just turn into fish bait?.
Me,I believe in something more after death just not sure exactly what though.
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Well, does the "Harp Farm" exist? or do we just turn into fish bait?.
Me,I believe in something more after death just not sure exactly what though.
Fish bait, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by the 12 th man
It's a bit arrogant of us to believe that the planet spent a few billion years evolving just so that we could exist for a tiny fraction of it, on our way to a better place.
In an infinite universe it would be foolish to rule anything out, however
unlikely its certain to happen.
I believe in re-incarnation;).
Since the Drogs won the Cup, I do too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Not unless you consider the whole God stuff. And I haven't heard any atheist come up with a good explanation for the existence of the universe (yes, it came from the Big Bang, but where did that come from?). The universe is far too complicated to be set in motion all on its own...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
We go to heaven,end of!!
My personal belief
Pergotory first for all the small sins (scraps, shoplifting, being mean to people, kicking dogs) then once all of these are worked off (the worse you were the longer it lasts) you are into heaven. Only Jesus and probably some of the Pope's passed straight through pergotory.
If you we really evil however i.e. you commited murder, rape, torture then your off to hell for all eternity.
I do however believe that "murder" etc. counts in the ethical term not the legal term. Personally I don't think that God will condem to hell the man who shot the paedophuile who raped his 12 year old daughter. I do believe the Myra Hindley is in hell.
Obviously there's a lot of things I don't understand/am unsure about surrounding issues such as repentance, euthenasia and abortion. I'm not going to write anything about this because to be perfectly honest I don't know. I'm pretty sure on my beliefs above (i.e. peadophile's going to hell) but I am very uncetain on those 3 issues in particular and as well as causing an argument by doing so I just wouldn't feel comfortable saying "if you do this your in heaven and that your in hell" when I'm very unsure myself.
Yep, as an Athlone Town fan..............now, that's real Heaven Sligoman.:p :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
It was created in seven days, not billions of years :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
I reckon if it possible that Home Farm still exists then the Harp Farm could too...Quote:
Originally Posted by the 12 th man
Haven't heard any believers explain where the whole god thing came from. If there is a god, presumably it's MORE complicated than the universe. So in explaining the occurence of the universe via the existence of god, we leave ourselves with a bigger explanatory puzzle.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Fish bait.
Sum of all knowledge - all rational scientific knowledge = faith
Harp farm it is.
:ball: PP
Worm food - simple as that. Make the most of your years here.
Worm food for me too.
If there is a god, he's one evil untc imo, so I'd rather not have what he has in store if he does exist tbh.
some early christian religions (i.e cathars and other agnostics )belive earth was actualy hell and when you die you just went to heaven , now watching city being beaten in the cup final by drogs actualy renforced my belief in that train of thought .
I never claimed otherwise but why do we think that we're so significant that there's an afterlife for us!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
A few billion mites crwaling on a small planet, where we're not the most numerous or the most ancient. In the greater scheme of things, we're just another life form. We cling onto the idea of heaven for comfort. We have psychos blowing themselves and others up, thinking it will get them there quicker.
After trade unions, religion is the root of all evil!
Never claimed that there isn't an afterlife for anything else. Don't see why there isn't an afterlife for cats and dogs and all. Or why there wouldn't be an afterlife for little green aliens on other planets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
What do you make of the events in Israel around 4BC to 30AD, when - so goes the story - the man himself told us there was an afterlife? Or are you one of those people who chooses not to believe any of that happened because it's easier that way? (Not trying to wind you up - just trying to start a conversation here. Honestly!)
Sure God always was and always shall be - that's just one of the great mysteries of religion we have to try and accept and not understand! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marked Mac
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Originally Posted by Peadar
So Missionaries, sisters of charity, St Vincent De Paul, these are all associated with religion and i wouldnt consider them "the root of all evil".
I do believe in life after death and i do believe there is a God and i defo think i might be waiting outside that gate wit St Peter for a good while before im forgiven my sins;)
I believe that a man called Jesus went around telling people that he was the son of God. He was charming enough to build up a following and over time, the story of his life grew into legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I don't believe he was actually anything other than an arrogant man with strong views.
I see people like this all the time in Cork. ;)
I'd like to ask a question of my own, what do people think is the purpose of an afterlife?
Is life on earth like a group stage or a qualifying round before the main event in heaven?
If there was life on an atom, would that lifeform think that we were their God and that after death, they'd join us in an afterlife?
I think that life on earth now is like a qualifier (if your from Wales then ur fcuked:) ) you get crosses in your life and depending on how you cope with them you get into "heaven" where you dont have to worry about any crosses etc.
Alot of people that have lost someone close believe that they will meet them again and thats what keeps them going, so maybe its not such a bad thing to believe in. If you dont believe in an afterlife then i presume you dont celebrate days like St Patricks Day, St Stephens Day etc as these lads i presume are in "heaven"
Relision is good for giving people something to hope for and be a good person for but when you die you die.
Its so far-fetched that there can be anything else. Where is this heaven? How will we all fit? Where do the ants and other creatures go? What about other religions - surely we can't all by right.
There are way too many questions when science can really prove how we came into being.
I agree we cant all be right but as a Catholic believe that we have the true religion. I suppose it all comes down to faith its just a pity that we cant post on foot.ie when we all find out:(
Is that not an extremely niaive view GAG? Have you studied all other religions in depth - because without doing so thats a very unfair statement to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Army Girl
I'm sure there's a little Muhammed on the Iran foot.ie claiming that Islam is the one true religion.
There are way too many holes in religion that make it unbelievable for me.
I was raised believing the true religion was Roman Catholic and thats what i believe if im wrong im wrong but being Catholic is part of who i am and if i didnt believe that i was right then wat would be the point in me saying im a Catholic.Quote:
Originally Posted by finlma
I was raised believing in Santa Claus and Catholicism- not everything you're told is true. Its up to you to go and find out the truth for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Army Girl
Eh no. You could just think they were good blokes while they were on earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Army Girl
But they wouldnt have been Saints if they hadnt had made it to Heaven and been recognised by the church. As for finding the truth ill say it again i believe that i have found the truth in being a Catholic thats my faith thats what i believe in if i am wrong then thats fine but while im here on earth ill be an Irish Roman Catholic im not asking anyone else to believe in what i believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Who can prove they made it to heaven? I'd agree with Macy - I'd celebrate them being good blokes just like Ghandi (who isn't a Catholic).Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Army Girl
GAG, just as a matter of interest what do you believe happens to non-Catholics such as Muslims, Buddhists, non-believers like myself and Macy who are good people? Do we get sent to this Catholic hell for being non-believers or does something else happen to us? Just interested in what any staunch Catholics think about this.
I don't even have to believe they were good guys. Could've been scumbags for all I know. I'm still as entitled as any christian to my public holidays and bank holidays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
GAG - as you believe that RC is the 'true faith' how comfortable are you celebrating Paddies day when Patrick was demonstrably a Presbyterian 1100 years before the term even existed? Ignored numerous summons' to Rome, founded churches and moved on each time leaving them entirely autonomous ... that's straightforward presbyterianism. Paddy was a Prod.
Liam -this purgatory you speak of that most popes avoid -how long do you reckon JPII might spend there working off throwing his might behind opposing basic sex education and family planning in the developing world and instructing uneducated impoverished latin american and african kids to "breed for the church"?
Will he get concurrent time for canonising a young lady who opted for death rather than face the stigma of undergoing a sexual assault? Will he get more concurrent time for canonising at least one copycat?
Heaven? No thanks -I've seen the guestlist and couldn't be arsd with it.
Wat annoys me when we talk about religion is that if i say what i believe automatically people think i have something against people with no religion. I think that once you havent murdered someone no matter what your religion is you make it into heaven and the day that you get there you find out what religion was the true one but everyone is allowed in a bit like Club M
And about Paddy being a protestant if you can tell me Jesus God the whole Bible is aload of s*it then who is to say that story about St Patrick isnt.
I knew at some stage the child abuse etc would come into it. The question was do you believe in heaven but i respect your view Lionel but at the end of the day i believe in my religion.
:eek: I didn't bring child abuse into anything!!
GAG -let's not fight -it's christmas!!!:D
Salient point well made about Patrick btw. Toúché
There's an excellent scene in South Park where everyone -and I mean everyone -arrives in hell and many are curious as to why they're there because they belonged to whichever faith. The devil chap with the clipboard clears it up saying " the answer they were looking for upstairs was 'Mormons' ...that answer again 'Mormons' ..." priceless.
I could never fight with you Lionel for a start i love your music and absoultley priceless, Happy CHRISTmas just joking ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
there is no doubt in my mind this is the true relgion
http://www.churchofsatan.com/
Every religion believes its the best one as bit like every football fan who supports the best team. Do people really believe everything that was written in the bible or do they just pick the bits they like?
Sure what has religion ever done for us anyway? If you were an alien looking down on the planet you'd probably think the religions were the armys of the planet.
The universe is too big (we are surely only located in some small corner of) to know whats out there. I;d be more inclined to believe in good & bad karma...
I believe in good and bad Korma.
Now Uncle Bens do a fine Korma
-St Tescos own brand however is barf in a jar.
How do we now they made it to heaven at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Army Girl
btw If we don't get to heaven, are we "Lost"? ;)
Ill put it this way folks, you know that you're alive now and there's no way to prove afterlife exisits, so you should make sure that you enjoy life to the full.
Go out, enjoy life, procreate and try not to p!ss others off.
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by finlma
Th....th...th...th...there's no Santa Clause????:eek:
Ah Jaysus, say it isn't so finlma, please tell us you're kidding.:(
If there's a Heavan and Hell, then I'm fcuked.
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Originally Posted by Green Army Girl
That's John O'Shea fukked so then!
He's never in his life been able to cope with a cross! :D