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16/11/2005, 8:19 PM
Metrostars

World Cup Draw - Discussion only

The draw for the World Cup finals will take place on December 9th. Based on the formula FIFA used at the last World Cup in 2002, the top 8 seeds are:

Brazil
Spain
Germany
Mexico
Argentina
England
France
Italy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ls/4356050.stm

My guess at the pots for drawing the groups are:
Pot A (Seeds): Brazil, Spain, Germany, Mexico, Argentina, England, France, Italy
Pot B (UEFA): Netherlands, Ukraine, Poland, Croatia, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Czech Republic
Pot C (Africa+Concacaf): Angola, Cote d'Ivoire, Togo, Ghana, Tunisia, USA, Costa Rica, T&T
Pot D (Conmebol+Asia+Oceania+Last UEFA): Ecuador, Paraguay, Japan, Iran, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Austrailia, Serbia and Montenegro

Then again, maybe FIFA might do their usual shenanigans and decide Mexico is not a seed and put the Netherlands as a seed instead. But this is my guess anyway.
02/12/2005, 12:53 PM
berni23

netherlands definatly deserve it more than mexico
05/12/2005, 1:37 PM
Thunderblaster

My group predictions: England Germany Brazil
Poland Switzerland Sweden
Paraguay Australia Saudi Arabia
Trinidad and Tobago Togo Costa Rica

France Spain Italy Mexico Argentina
Croatia Serbia and Montenegro Holland Ukraine Portugal
Iran Japan Czech Republic Ecuador South Korea
Ghana Angola Ivory Coast Tunisia USA

What's your thoughts folks?
05/12/2005, 2:19 PM
Metrostars

Quote:

Originally Posted by berni23

netherlands definatly deserve it more than mexico

Mexico has earned it. Consistantly qualifying (where were Holland in '02) plus they had a good Confed Cup a few months ago.
05/12/2005, 2:23 PM
thejollyrodger

i dont care cos we arent there.
05/12/2005, 3:31 PM
superfrank

Quote:

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

i dont care cos we arent there.

Thanks for telling us all.

The World Cup draw will belive on BBC this Friday around 8 o'clock.
05/12/2005, 9:35 PM
Green Tribe

Quote:

Originally Posted by superfrank

Thanks for telling us all.

The World Cup draw will belive on BBC this Friday around 8 o'clock.

I'll be watching it with excitement.....even though we are not there :o
05/12/2005, 9:38 PM
sligoman

Quote:

Originally Posted by superfrank

Thanks for telling us all.

The World Cup draw will belive on BBC this Friday around 8 o'clock.

pm or am?:confused:
05/12/2005, 11:47 PM
Jon'o

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Originally Posted by sligoman

pm or am?:confused:

AM... will be 9 in germany ;)

Failing that Pingu is on bbc2 at 9am on friday !
06/12/2005, 6:54 AM
gspain

It is pm - on Friday night. info is correct re time on BBC - 8.15 however fifaworldcup website implies 8.15 CET which is 7.15pm here.
06/12/2005, 7:27 AM
Sheridan

Quote:

Originally Posted by gspain

It is pm - on Friday night. info is correct re time on BBC - 8.15 however fifaworldcup website implies 8.15 CET which is 7.15pm here.

You're forgetting to account for the interminable and insufferable preliminaries...
06/12/2005, 10:29 AM
superfrank

Quote:

Originally Posted by sligoman

pm or am?:confused:

In all fairness sligoman, did you honestly expect FIFA to put something on at 8.15 in the mornig when most of the countries involved are in the CET/GMT zones?
06/12/2005, 12:21 PM
Metrostars

Mexico are a seed as I predicted:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...351289&cc=5739

Quote:

LEIPZIG, Dec 6 (Reuters) - Hosts Germany and defending champions Brazil were named among the top eight seeds for the World Cup finals as expected on Tuesday, along with England, Spain, Mexico, France, Argentina and Italy.

FIFA decided the rest of the draw, which takes place on Friday, would group teams in pots according to their geographical locations rather than their current world ranking or previous World Cup performances. The USA and Holland have both just missed out on being seeded.

The second pot will contain Australia, the five African finalists: Ghana, Ivory Coast, Tunisia, Angola and Togo, plus the two lower ranked South American teams Ecuador and Paraguay.

The third pot will comprise eight European teams: Croatia, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland and Ukraine.

The fourth pot will comprise four Asian teams: Iran, Japan, Saudi Arabia, South Korea and the three remaining from CONCACAF Costa Rica, Trinidad & Tobago and the United States.

A special pot will contain only Serbia & Montenegro, the lowest ranked European team, who will be placed in a group including either Brazil, Argentina or Mexico.
06/12/2005, 6:07 PM
sligoman

Quote:

Originally Posted by superfrank

In all fairness sligoman, did you honestly expect FIFA to put something on at 8.15 in the mornig when most of the countries involved are in the CET/GMT zones?

In all fairness superfrank, you should have said pm in yer original post, it's an extra two letters, that's all!;):p.
08/12/2005, 10:42 AM
superfrank

Quote:

Originally Posted by sligoman

In all fairness superfrank, you should have said pm in yer original post, it's an extra two letters, that's all!;):p.

I'll PM you!!!......later.
08/12/2005, 12:29 PM
pete

What a fix. Mexico in top 8 countries!! :eek:

I think FIFA decide the groupings & then devise a scheme to make those groupings happen.
08/12/2005, 1:50 PM
Metrostars

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete

What a fix. Mexico in top 8 countries!! :eek:

I think FIFA decide the groupings & then devise a scheme to make those groupings happen.

What country deserved it more than Mexico?
08/12/2005, 2:24 PM
superfrank

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete

What a fix. Mexico in top 8 countries!! :eek:

I think FIFA decide the groupings & then devise a scheme to make those groupings happen.

Don't they call it "coefficients"?
09/12/2005, 7:27 PM
superfrank

Here we go. I'll replace the "Qualified Teams" sticky with one of the groups when they're done.

Or if GT wants to do it......
09/12/2005, 7:45 PM
sligoman

England Vs. Paraguay. Not as easy as some may think it is:)
09/12/2005, 7:48 PM
dancinpants

Mexico - Angola - Portugal - Iran
Germany - Ecuador - Poland -Costa Rica
Argentina - Ivory Coast -Holland - Serbia/Montenegro
Italy-Ghana-Czech Rep-USA
Brazil - Australia -Croatia-Japan
France - Togo - Switzerland - South Korea
Spain-Tunisia-Ukraine -Saudi Arabia
England - Paraguay- Sweden - Trinidad and Tobago
09/12/2005, 7:50 PM
sligoman

England get Sweden too:). Argentina get Holland
09/12/2005, 7:55 PM
dancinpants

Franco-Suisse rematch!!
09/12/2005, 7:56 PM
sligoman

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancinpants

Franco-Suisse rematch!!

Yep. Sweeden will be happy with the friendly with us cos whoever England get in their group always seems to want to play us:D.
09/12/2005, 8:05 PM
dancinpants

Mexico - Angola - Portugal - Iran
Germany - Ecuador - Poland -Costa Rica
Argentina - Ivory Coast -Holland - Serbia/Montenegro
Italy-Ghana-Czech Rep-USA
Brazil - Australia -Croatia-Japan
France - Togo - Switzerland - South Korea
Spain-Tunisia-Ukraine -Saudi Arabia
England - Paraguay- Sweden - Trinidad and Tobago

I reckon those in bold are the favourites to go through - but that ain't how it always works. I reckon England might struggle TBH. The African nations are pure unknown quantities and well capable of throwing a spanner in many teams works.
09/12/2005, 8:07 PM
sligoman

Anyone hear Gary Lineker and co on BBC tv talking about how it's the best draw England could have got:mad:. Trinidad are the third team in their group btw. T&T are probably the only team that they'd be fairly sure of victory, even at that, they might cause an upset.

The English media do really feck themselves up by saying such sh!te. Hope Sweden and the others kick the sh!te out of them. Teach them a lesson like:).
09/12/2005, 8:09 PM
Metrostars

The Spain group is a bit of a joke.
09/12/2005, 8:12 PM
sligoman

Here's who I think will go through(in bold)

Mexico - Angola - Portugal - Iran
Germany - Ecuador - Poland -Costa Rica
Argentina - Ivory Coast -Holland - Serbia/Montenegro
Italy-Ghana-Czech Rep-USA
Brazil - Australia -Croatia-Japan
France - Togo - Switzerland - South Korea
Spain-Tunisia-Ukraine -Saudi Arabia
England - Paraguay- Sweden - Trinidad and Tobago
09/12/2005, 8:17 PM
ThatGuy

Avery John v Wayne Rooney, bring it on!
09/12/2005, 8:21 PM
ThatGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by sligoman

Anyone hear Gary Lineker and co on BBC tv talking about how it's the best draw England could have got:mad:. Trinidad are the third team in their group btw. T&T are probably the only team that they'd be fairly sure of victory, even at that, they might cause an upset.

The English media do really feck themselves up by saying such sh!te. Hope Sweden and the others kick the sh!te out of them. Teach them a lesson like:).

It's a great draw for England. The group is one that they should win as they are the best team, they will probably have qualification wrapped up before the Swedish game. Meanwhile they will more than likely be playing Poland in the second round, which is a game they would also be strongly fancied to win.

Basically, they have the Quarter Final in the bag if they play anywhere near what they are capapble of. Then, who knows how far they could go. They could even win it.

In saying that, I hope Avery and co. knock the stuffing out of them and that they're on the first plane back to En-ger-land.
09/12/2005, 8:24 PM
dancinpants

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Avery John v Wayne Rooney, bring it on!

Thats gas!!!

I've a feelin' that Italy might struggle in their group - not easy at all, but as usual they'll probably sneak through.

Can't wait for Argentina - Holland match.
09/12/2005, 8:35 PM
Metrostars

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancinpants

Thats gas!!!

I've a feelin' that Italy might struggle in their group - not easy at all, but as usual they'll probably sneak through.

Can't wait for Argentina - Holland match.

almost a replay of the 1990 group with Italy, USA and Czechoslovakia in the same group.

Thats a tough group, if the US gets past the first round again, I think Euros will be less inclined to dismis them. Italy are nortoriously poor starters so you never know what will happen.
09/12/2005, 8:41 PM
thejollyrodger

does anyone think the draw is fixed ?
09/12/2005, 8:41 PM
Dillo

Even though it has been suggested that there won't be a 'group of death' in next year's World Cup due to the qualification failure of the top three African nations, I believe the group consisting of Argentina, Holland, Ivory Coast and Serbia/Montenegro surely represents the nearest thing to such a group.

Avery John V Wayne Rooney should be an intrigueing battle.
09/12/2005, 8:43 PM
dancinpants

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrostars

almost a replay of the 1990 group with Italy, USA and Czechoslovakia in the same group.

Thats a tough group, if the US gets past the first round again, I think Euros will be less inclined to dismis them. Italy are nortoriously poor starters so you never know what will happen.

I think the days of the US being dismissed out of hand are coming to an end. The States always had the "surprise element" going into previous finals as everyone underestimated them. I doubt that thats goin' to happen this year.

If it does then either Italy or the Czech republic WILL NOT get through the first round.
09/12/2005, 8:50 PM
ThatGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

does anyone think the draw is fixed ?

I doubt people like Matthaus and Pel� would risk their integrity, so no I don't think it was fixed anyway. Though judging by the conspiracy theories thread in the off-topic section it seems that some people are desperate to believe conspiracies despite conclusive evidence!
09/12/2005, 9:01 PM
brine3

I feel sick. Look at that Swiss group, that could have been us. And they're playing in the Westfalenstadion too - by far the coolest stadium in Germany. I had TST-5 tickets. Feck.
09/12/2005, 9:05 PM
thejollyrodger

tbh lads im not overally sad that we missed out.. its not like the late 80s when we had a really good team. the team we have at the moment is old and poor with no real class about it. It could well be another WC1994. Ill watch the futty without to many hangups (even if england get to the final)
09/12/2005, 9:05 PM
the 12 th man

Quote:

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

does anyone think the draw is fixed ?

Depends on what you mean by fixed,for a start by keeping the so called "big teams" apart is a way of "fixing" the draw before you even pull out a single Team.
If you mean the actual drawing out of the teams...........highly unlikely/improbable.
09/12/2005, 9:13 PM
gustavo

Quote:

Originally Posted by sligoman

Anyone hear Gary Lineker and co on BBC tv talking about how it's the best draw England could have got:mad:.

whats wrong with that ?
it pretty much is

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