Will Ireland beat the Swiss and get, at least, the playoff?:confused:. Simple question, difficult answer:o. What do you think?
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Will Ireland beat the Swiss and get, at least, the playoff?:confused:. Simple question, difficult answer:o. What do you think?
Well the bookies seem to think so as we are 4/5 and 10/11 to win.
Assuming a play off is a 50/50 chance, our overall chance of getting
to Germany is about 1 in 4.
Yes I think we will be beat the Swiss, somehow.
Bookies reflect the backers - it's how they win every time.
I'll gladly eat my words if we win well, but I expect us to repeat the timid anti-climax of two years ago.
:ball: PP
Yes bookies win by basically paying out less money then they take
in no matter what the result.
TV pundits such as John McCririck who suggest bookies lose when favourites
win are basically lying/misleading.
The odds are probably an acurate reflection of the situation unless there
are thousands of patriotic Irish backing Ireland and on similar activity on
behalf of the Swiss.
I do most of my gambling these playing online poker, the only form of
gambling I can (now) consistantly make a profit at :D
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Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
I doubt we'll get to Germany we are not good enough anymore. There is something very wrong with our team, we are inept, shaky and have no passion anymore. I don’t know how things have gone so bad, but really we are a weak team now. We cant even outplay teams like the Faeroes and Cyprus.
Sorry to be blunt, and I really hope I've got this spectacularly wrong, but that’s the way I see it.
The team has given up on the manager. We will not win.
I want the team to respond in a positive fashion to that debacle in the Mediterranean. I want Brian Kerr to realise that all the technical knowledge in the world won't tell you when a player needs a good kick in the arse and told to press for the ball, and mark his man. I want the defenders to press, I want the midfielders to create, I want the strikers to score, I want the Swiss hoodoo put to bed once and for all. I want to go to Germany thinking we can make an impact at the World Cup, like we have in previous tournaments. But I don't know if we can.
If we fail to win on Wednesday it will be the end for Kerr, and we won't see Keane, Cunningham, Breen or Holland play for Ireland again. Can we win? yes, will we win? I don't know but hopefuly the team can overcome inept management and win, I say yes!
Originally I had us down for 2 single goal nervous victories. Well we're half way there although after Saturdays performance I'm slighty worried about Wednesday night. When was the last time we actually played well....Paris!!??
Has anyone bothered to look at Cyprus' goal difference. It's roughly -1 for each game they lost. The Swiss only scored in the 88th minute at home against them and France didn't stuff them either. They were no push overs and strange as it might seem they also outplayed us the time we won 0-4!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
A lot of people need to get a grip as opposed to a gripe here. It wasn't a good performance. Big deal.
All that matters now is beating the Swiss by a ball off the shin of Kilbane, a keeper's OG etc etc. Performance counts for nothing at this stage - it's all about points and I believe we'll do it. The Swiss are average as well have no doubt about that. It's now, like the Holland game in 2001, about who wants it the most.
I suspect it's the same people beating their chests that has us looking at a World Cup semi-final a short time ago. Now you've had your dose of reality let's pray for lady luck on Wednesday.
Ireland for a slim win due to a Keane goal. And we'll finnish the game with Keane, Doherty and any one from Morrison, Connolly or Elliot up front as Ireland go all out chasing the late goal.....
We win 1-0.
0-0 with about 10 minutes left , we pile on Doherty and Elliot to join Morrison and Keane up front and somehow , someway we snatch a goal.
We havent had any luck so far in this campaign, I hope we saved it all up for this. (and I dont consider Shays stunning save on the weekend as luck!)
there will be some praying wednesday...i think we will play well but just come up short:(
I think we'll scrape it 1-0, but the longer the game remains scoreless, I can't see us snatching a late one, especially if all we're going to do is pump high balls into the box. I mean, you could'nt blame the swiss keeper for acting like he'd just been shot if anyone challenges him, could you??
1-1. They score 1st on the counter and then we pile on the pressure. Nab a goal with 10 minutes to go then Doherty, Clinton and Keane all miss chances to wrap it up for us.
Hand on heart I just can't see us doing it. I've been waiting for a big performance from the team since Kerr took over and it just hasn't happened. Fair enough the Euro qualifier defeats I'll let go cos Kerr was just in the job but we've been waiting two years now for it to happen and on Saturdays evidence I just can't see it happening. I genuinely expected a big day against the Frence but, along with every match since 2002 it proved an anti-climax. It would be unbearable to lose to the Swiss on Wednesday and see them top the group, a team I believe they are a team we would have whipped before Saipan ripped the heart out of the team (and Mourinho ripped all the excitement out of Duffer). I don't think we will lose on Wednesday, but I can't see us winning. I go for 1-1.
Also can't believe the Swiss are 3-1 to win, obviously a load of Irish money going on-whoever is backing them fair play to them!
Have to agree with you there Don. I just can't envisage us beating the Swiss. Having watched them against the french on saturday night, they appear to have a very solid look about them. They have a few very consistent performers, none more so than Arsenal's Senderos who has grown on me in the past few months. Yet another of Wenger's shrewd acquisitions he's going to prove a top class centre back in the near future. The Saipan episode has to some degree affected the team's spirit and mental strength. But to say Mourinho has knocked the excitement out of Duffer is a little wide of the mark Don! Since his arrival from Ewood Park Jose has moulded the Duffer into a top class player- his workrate above everything else has improved in leaps and bounds. Duffer's loss is a major blow to the boys in green- arguably the one man in the team who single handedly can break down a defensive rearguard. Like you Don, I also predict a one all draw- I hope i'm wrong though.
Dillo , duffer is a world class player but in the chelsea world class mould. That doesnt say a lot when you consider what chelsea are all about.
I just listened to Cascarino and lawerson on the radio there and cas was basically saying that he doesnt know how this irish team is going to win. And he is usually very upbeat. Lawerson was having a pop at kerr and stated he couldnt stand the man but was more positive than cas. That was a bit of a turn of the books for me.
Im not overally optimistic either. I kept beliving that we would start to put in good performances but I havent seen anything like an irish performance since kerr took over. Technically the Cyprus were far better than us and how we beat the switzerland remainds a mistery to me.
There is so much negativity on these boards, the print media, radio, everywhere that its sickening. No where is there any hope for us to win. Were going to lose wednesday and lose in humilation with the arrogrant swiss rubbing our noses in it..
The Swiss at home - Mc Carthy's last game.
The Swiss at home - Kerr's last game.
Lads we've gone backwards in three years with a team of better players in my opinion. In 2002 we were overwhelming favourites to beat the Swiss and deservedly so. In the game itself we at least deserved a draw but could have possibly won it. The Swiss scoring a winner in injury time after large spells of Irish dominance.
Tomorrow most people can't even imagine us getting a win. That says a lot on how the team has progressed under Kerr considering most people thought that we were under performing under Mc Carthy.
I think we will win and that there will be plenty of goals. 3-1 or 3-2. I see Keane scoring and think most goals will be scored in the first half.
Wish I shared you sentiment Noel, but there is no way we can do it without Roy, he's undoubtedly our greatest ever player and gave masterclass against the French.
The Swiss will score first, very early. We'll throw everything at them and almost concede a couple of more on the counter. Then in the 84min the ball will hit the back of Kilbane's head and go in. The Swiss will crumble and we'll pile it on.
(Meanwhile, in Paris, France will be comfortably playing Cyprus off the park, but only winning by one goal. Cyprus will equalise just as we do.)
So, anyways, Ireland are piling it on. The Ref announces only 2min of injury time, everyone is roaring at the ref saying there should be at least 5 min. Given launches a last minute hail mary up the feild, Robbie catches the ball on his chest with his back to goal and flicks it over his head without even knowing if any Irish player is runnig on to it, in complete hopefulness..... lo and behold Morrison comes running out of nowhere and launches into a full flight extended diving header to meet the ball just before the on rushing Swiss keeper gets there.
Fvcking pandemonium erupts.
Then....... the news filters in...... Cyprus have scored an improbable winner in the 93rd minute!! and Ireland are going straight to Germany as Group winners!!!
Seriously though, I think either 1-1, 0-0 or a 0-1 to the Swiss. Can't see us beating them, even if they are a very average team. We don't have a winning mentality, nor a history of it.
I think we will lose 3-1.
I'm with brine on this one. The wheels have well and truly come off - and I expect the Swiss to compound that...and comfortably.
well, the good thing is that once we lose on wednesday we will see the back of Mr negative / sophisticated i know everything about football. We can also wave good bye to Cunningham on wednesday, Keano, and a few others.
Ireland have been in decline for quite some time. Its just that Roy Keane changed everything for us.
Jesus I must love a beating, 2-1 to us. I just can't stop being positive. "mypost" pleassse don't respond to this.
what going to happen if we beat the swiss ?? I just cant envisage it. What happens if we make it through the play offs and go to the world cup ?? Thats something I cant envisage either.
We'll do it lads.
Its going to be tight, nervous and as ugly as hell but we'll get the win.
The further the game goes on scoreless the deeper and deeper the Swiss will defend to protect their play-off place.
Thats when we get the priceless winner! :) :) :)
Looks like, overall, voters dont think we can do it!:(
If we keep the Swiss scoreless then for some blind optimistic reason i think we can get a goal ourselves.
Never thought I'd hear you say that Joe.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeSemi
I was going to post, but I'll just agree with what you said. Spot on...unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Vito
I really hope I'm eating my words tomorrow, but I doubt it
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Originally Posted by Volcán Masaya
I nearly wet myself reading this post. The internet isn't meant to be this titilating...or is it? Ha ha
Yes ...yes we will.:cool: :ball: :)
I think we'll win tonight, this team will surprise alot of people tonight and finally produce a worthy performance. We played well against France and wouldve won if not for a strong defence marshalled by Thuram.
The Swiss have no such thing and a dodgy keeper, I think the main man for us tonight is going to be Morrison, the man is full of confidence at the moment so I reckon if our defence can play like we did against the French we'll win 2-0.
the chances of winning are 25% in reality. Unless someone kicks the eam up the ho*e.
No Kevin, screw the little pessimistic sh!t I was yesterday, I've been buzzin around the office all day really p!ssin people off with my hyperactivity and I think we can sneak it. We're due a win, we're due to hold a lead sometime in the next century-tonights the night!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin77
And the majority were wrong unfortunately:(
Was right unfortunately:(Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman