What more do they want?

What a disgrsceful turnout on friday night.4th in the league,8 games unbeaten and they still dont come.I couldnt believe the response i got when i asked people were they going to the match "Sure there not even going to win anything this year",we won our first senior trophy in 2003 and now we are expected to win everything!Its the typical gaa mindset in that the cup is more important.Sure maybe more will come after fridays result but even if they do,it'll still be a pitiful attendance compared to the rest of the league.

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What a disgrsceful turnout on friday night.4th in the league,8 games unbeaten and they still dont come.I couldnt believe the response i got when i asked people were they going to the match "Sure there not even going to win anything this year",we won our first senior trophy in 2003 and now we are expected to win everything!Its the typical gaa mindset in that the cup is more important.Sure maybe more will come after fridays result but even if they do,it'll still be a pitiful attendance compared to the rest of the league.

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Extremely disappointing crowd on Friday night, most people only go to cup games so I suppose their season is over. Time for the club to think of new ways to bring people back to Flancare and filling the seats again

they were not even coming out for the cup games!!!! 860 was our home gate in the cup v ucd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! given longford folk a lot of success over the last few years and they are still not interested unless it is a semi or final or european game! and we are challenging for 3rd in league!!!

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Extremely disappointing crowd on Friday night, most people only go to cup games so I suppose their season is over. Time for the club to think of new ways to bring people back to Flancare and filling the seats again

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Pardon me if im overcritical but ever try playing attractive football week in week out and not ristrict yourself to booting it up at every given chance. Friday nite saw us keep it on the deck more often then not and it yielded an emphatic 3-0 win despite the opposition its shows us we can do it(score that is).

tight next season, i think ur a season ahead of urself, the rest of this season aint goona be plain sailing in the finanical sense :(

Ufea income ???? it cost us money, bringin 25 people away aint cheap and setanta cup was a disaster due to security costs.......

lets face it cpl are the only shining light so far this season, along with the garto transfer money.

I wasn't at the last game and I can't see myself going anytime soon. It has nothing to do with the degree to which the club is successful. I've become fed up of the calibre of person that attends LTFC games. While I acknowledge that many decent people attend de Town games, I believe that a substantial proportion of the fanbase can only be described as CHV. Now, while I understand that everyone has a right to attend football matches, I have becomed disillusioned with the numerous thugs who go to the games to give abuse to the players and manager. We are only in the Premier Division a few seasons, yet already we have acquired a number of thugs who claim to support the club. I know I speak for others when I say that the reason we're staying away from Town games is because of the element that are present. We would rather not associate ourselves with them.

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I wasn't at the last game and I can't see myself going anytime soon. It has nothing to do with the degree to which the club is successful. I've become fed up of the calibre of person that attends LTFC games. While I acknowledge that many decent people attend de Town games, I believe that a substantial proportion of the fanbase can only be described as CHV. Now, while I understand that everyone has a right to attend football matches, I have becomed disillusioned with the numerous thugs who go to the games to give abuse to the players and manager. We are only in the Premier Division a few seasons, yet already we have acquired a number of thugs who claim to support the club. I know I speak for others when I say that the reason we're staying away from Town games is because of the element that are present. We would rather not associate ourselves with them.

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Would you and your friends not consider going to games but perhaps sitting in a different section? Then you could enjoy the game and not be around these idiotic carachters.

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Would you and your friends not consider going to games but perhaps sitting in a different section? Then you could enjoy the game and not be around these idiotic carachters.

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That's a fair point and one worth considering. The lads I know are big Town fans and big Alan Matthews fans and they don't want to be associated with the negative element.

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While I acknowledge that many decent people attend de Town games, I believe that a substantial proportion of the fanbase can only be described as CHV. Now, while I understand that everyone has a right to attend football matches, I have becomed disillusioned with the numerous thugs who go to the games to give abuse to the players and manager. .

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Strange thing is a lot of the main culprits would be so-called "respectable" people outside of Flancare by all accounts. It's a growing problem the club are aware of and are looking at ways of deaing with it I believe. Personally, I think publicly ridiculing the abusers would be an interesting approach. Either that or f*ck them out with a refund which I believe has been done in other clubs before. Just so we're clear I'm not talking criticising which everyone is entitled to do, it's when the line is crossed and unwarranted foul-mouthed personal abuse is directed at our own or any player come to think of it, though our own players get far more grief than the opposition. No place for it in Flancare in my opinion

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Strange thing is a lot of the main culprits would be so-called "respectable" people outside of Flancare by all accounts. It's a growing problem the club are aware of and are looking at ways of deaing with it I believe. Personally, I think publicly ridiculing the abusers would be an interesting approach. Either that or f*ck them out with a refund which I believe has been done in other clubs before. Just so we're clear I'm not talking criticising which everyone is entitled to do, it's when the line is crossed and unwarranted foul-mouthed personal abuse is directed at our own or any player come to think of it, though our own players get far more grief than the opposition. No place for it in Flancare in my opinion

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I dont think refunding them is the way to go, Ridicule them, give out to them but take their money, at the end of the day thats whats needed

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It has absolutely nothing to do with a "gaa mindset" (whatever that is ????????).

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I'm not criticising gaa fans,what im saying is that alot of people i've been talking to around longford go to cup games and not league games in the same way they'd go to championship games but not league games.See what i mean?

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Kick them out & bar them. **** the money. I'd rather an empty Flansiro than the place filled with those p***ks.
We don't need their money. *uck it. Bad 'n all as things get, you should preserve your dignity.

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How ridiculous is that? Course we need the money, its the only way to survive!

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Strange thing is a lot of the main culprits would be so-called "respectable" people outside of Flancare by all accounts. It's a growing problem the club are aware of and are looking at ways of deaing with it I believe. Personally, I think publicly ridiculing the abusers would be an interesting approach. Either that or f*ck them out with a refund which I believe has been done in other clubs before. Just so we're clear I'm not talking criticising which everyone is entitled to do, it's when the line is crossed and unwarranted foul-mouthed personal abuse is directed at our own or any player come to think of it, though our own players get far more grief than the opposition. No place for it in Flancare in my opinion

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Make the stand the "Family" stand. Ban foul and abusive language in there - and move culprits out of there. Only needs promotion a game before and in the leader in the run up to the next game, and jobs a good un. It's not like the stand is any more money*....

*Incidentally, any link between the increased prices for the ground and the fall off in attendances? Could be a factor to some extent, albeit a small one...

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Make the stand the "Family" stand. Ban foul and abusive language in there - and move culprits out of there. Only needs promotion a game before and in the leader in the run up to the next game, and jobs a good un. It's not like the stand is any more money*....

*Incidentally, any link between the increased prices for the ground and the fall off in attendances? Could be a factor to some extent, albeit a small one...

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Agree about the price. Before a family could go to the ground and it would be a bit cheaper on them. You look at a family of five going into the waterford game the other night 30 for 2 adults and 15 for 3 kids, its a lot really. It could definately be a factor

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We still shouldn't prostitute ourselves for the sake of a few miserable bob. Using your logic, shams should welcome the scum element with open arms.

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I think you're blowing it out of proportion, what I'm saying is, let them know their abuse wont be tolerated, if a few people stand up to them, they are not going to be so quick to do it again. Bottom line is we need the money.

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Maz, its only a few people. The money gained/lost is negligible. There is arguably more money lost from people staying away because of the abuse being hurled from the stand. I ,for one, will not go into the stand with my kid with this kind of $hit€ going on. (He loves the section O anyway !!)

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But you cant possibly know how many are staying away as a result of abuse.

You dont go to the stand because of it, why couldnt they do the same. Same price, just more peace to watch the game!

I only started going to games regularly this season as I finally got my driving license (car! truck! two trucks! you get the idea :) ) So travelling the 40 miles wasnt feasible in the past. Watched the first few games in the stand and quickly came to leave it. Prefer watching now from the comfort of Section N :) It does seem to be a problem confined to the stand from what I can see.

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I only started going to games regularly this season as I finally got my driving license (car! truck! two trucks! you get the idea :) ) So travelling the 40 miles wasnt feasible in the past. Watched the first few games in the stand and quickly came to leave it. Prefer watching now from the comfort of Section N :) It does seem to be a problem confined to the stand from what I can see.

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Ronnie, its the same people week in week out, most of us would know who they are or what they look like. Majority of them are there everyweek.

Cop on can say money is irrelevant but €15 each every wk or every second week means a lot

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Ronnie, its the same people week in week out, most of us would know who they are or what they look like. Majority of them are there everyweek.

Cop on can say money is irrelevant but €15 each every wk or every second week means a lot

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It sure means a lot in the long run id imagine. The club needs funds from somewhere. I was really shocked at the crowd on friday night at how small it was but with it being on TV I suppose can see why it happened but it is disapointing it happened. I try to drag a few mates now and then along with me. Slowly converting them!

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Yeah, but HOW MANY of them are there ?? If there's only ten or twenty of them, that's just €150-€300 every two weeks. Personally, I think the reputation of our club is worth more than a measly €200 odd every second week.

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But how can you be sure how many there is? That is what Im saying and €400 every month helps a lot!!

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Yeah, but thats my question ?? Does anybody know how many of these bellends there are ? Are we talking ten or a hundred ?? :confused:

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Well its pretty risky then assuming we can afford to kick them all out every week. Thats not a solution

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Agree about the price. Before a family could go to the ground and it would be a bit cheaper on them. You look at a family of five going into the waterford game the other night 30 for 2 adults and 15 for 3 kids, its a lot really. It could definately be a factor

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But when almost every other club in the division is charging €15 we can't afford to say well we'll make it cheaper on a regular basis. What the club is doing shortly is giving out €5 coupons to people that wouldn't be regulars such as shop and factory employees around the town. Some sort of a promotion at the County Final being planned for the Cork game with the blessing of the GAA seemingly, again involving discount. We do have family tickets as well, basically every second child free at most games.

The Family Stand idea has been talked about alright and wouldn't be a bad thing to try out and see if it works. Something has to change.

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Jeez - excuse me for repeating myself, but you don't seem to understand. What I'm trying to point out to you is that there are not too many of these wnakers - I'd say twenty at most. Kick 'em out. Our reputation is worth far more than €600 per month (max.)
And if you're averse to kicking them out of the ground - then expel them from the stand - or anywhere out of the earshot of young kids.
Are you convinced that we should condone this carry-on (and condoning it we are if we don't do something about it) for a few lousy pieces of silver ??? :confused:

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You're contradicting yourself. You said previously can we be sure "how many of these bellends there are", now you're saying there is 20 of them.
Look I dont agree throwing people out is the answer. People are gonna look at that and say, its pathetic throwing people out of games and sooner or later people will stop coming because it seems petty.
Take their money, ridicule them if they start abusing players and management and if all comes to the all, ban them from the stand and let them go into the ground area

Btw €600 can go towards wages, bills etc

The fact is that we are in a lose lose situation whether we like it or not.The only solution in my mind is that if these people are using bad language out loud then the stewarts should approach them and ask them to mind their language that someone with kids has complained about it.Stick a note in the programme about it and see how it goes.

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Je$u$ I GIVE UP. You just don't get it. No contradiction - just trying to point out ALL ALONG that there are only a few of them & our reputation is worth more.
If you think €600 per month is such a massive amount, why don't you go & sell 300 envelopes - a mere 75 a week.

(BTW, if they think its petty & don't come back - brilliant, problem solved!)

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Read over your posts.......you first asked the question of how many there are? and then all of a sudden there is 20 of them.

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The fact is that we are in a lose lose situation whether we like it or not.The only solution in my mind is that if these people are using bad language out loud then the stewarts should approach them and ask them to mind their language that someone with kids has complained about it.Stick a note in the programme about it and see how it goes.

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Exactly a more logical solution!

While it is hard to quantify what would be lost if these louts were barred, it is impossible to judge what is currently being lost by their unacceptable behaviour.
I witnessed one particular yob two years ago giving vile abuse to Sean Prunty during a match because he made a mistake in a game where (as usual) he was playing very well. I was not near enough to tell this ******** to cop on, but I was saddened to find out later who he was, as his uncles have a very proud tradition of involvement with Longford Town. Unlike this sad individual they were always sportsmen in the highest sense.
I agree with Sonic that if the team performances at home were more in the vein of last weeks match then attendances would improve. Lets face it by and large the entertainment value at Flancare has been pretty poor over the past two years. It is naive of some posters to think that everyone going to matches should do so on the basis of blind fanatical support regardless of the standard of the fare served up. Nowadays most people will only spend their hard earned money on something they enjoy doing.
Finally it might do no harm to give a local an odd run (I don't mean a seat on the bench for the first round of the League Cup), I am pretty sure it would help increase the gates. :ball:

Our financial situation is surely not helped by players and officials not being able to control themselves in an appropriate way. Fine galore for the club v derry on the indo

Aaron can't keep getting reported and sent off, whether he deserves it or not. That'll be ten games he's missed through suspension,plus roughly a €1000 fine, it's not on and he has to learn to control himself. Mouthing to the ref after the match isn't very clever either and you're right euros are so forkin difficult to come by without píssing them away on fines.

The club usually would pay the fine and then recover it from Aaron, by fining him!

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Some sort of a promotion at the County Final being planned for the Cork game with the blessing of the GAA seemingly, again involving discount.

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Is this going ahead????????

Didn't hear if it moved beyond the planning stage to be honest..