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Cork confirm Slavia Prague ko times
Cork City have today (Sep 2nd) confirmed to UEFA a kick-off time of 5.30pm for their UEFA Cup First Round, Second Leg tie v Slavia Prague at Turner’s Cross on Thursday September 29th.
Slavia Prague earlier this week confirmed a kick-off time of 8pm local (7pm Irish time) for the first leg at the Evzena Rosickeho stadium on Thursday September 15th.
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IMO thats too late. If it goes to extra time and penalties, then it could be on till about 8.15, at which time it'll be totally dark!
Totally dark? Do you play in total darkness every Friday evening at the X then? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by anti dub
No but the floodlights are not up to scratch apparently ..... thing is they are fine, so there is no worries .... if UEFA have OKed it ... then we are laughing !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
I meant despite the fact they're not up to scratch I assume you'd turn them on in the event of it getting dark as opposed to playing in darkness.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
The whole thing is pretty ludicrous.
Are we playing some different type of football now, that needs more light?
If it gets dark before the end of the game, do we have to abandon the fixture becuase the lights are not bright enough?
I can see why UEFA want decent grounds, decnt lighting etc. etc.,
but this kind of pedanticism makes a joke of the regulations....
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Originally Posted by patsh
Thing is though .... if they are seen to give into one, then more will try it on. It has to be a black or white situation, when its on this scale anyway.
Face, the lights were good enough for the Djurgarden game.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
They are good enough for this game too.
The 1st round proper doesn't suddenly require a doubling of the luminosity value becuase it is somehow extra special football.
If you want it to be a black or white situation fine, but if it gets dark during the game, as it will for tyhe last half hour or so, they will accept the lights in the Cross. So whats the problem with accepting them for the other 60 minutes or so of the game?
Ridiculous......
If UEFA had Okayed the floodlights we'd be playing it at 7/7.30pm, not 5.30! So that means we cant use them, so what happend if it goes to extra time?
Do you read your own posts? Clealrly Uefa have said the lights are no bright enough for playing football at 9-10pm i.e. when no natural light left. We will be playing latest 8.30 when there is still natural light to complement our floodlights.Quote:
Originally Posted by anti dub
Its not as if the floodlights are the wrong colour. :rolleyes:
We will definitely be using the lights on that evening.
Anti Dub .... we CAN use them, just not for a full game ..... we'll us the lights in the twilight, at the end of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by anti dub
I dont think there'll be any natural light at that stage, especially if it is a clooudy evening, but I see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
If there is extra-thick, super-grey cloud, like this afternoon, will Uefa ban that stuff and abandon the game? Will there be a Uefa cloud moniter in the VIP section? We need to know before shelling out the bobs for a game that might be called off due to insufficient luminosity.
ITS FOR TV!!!!
UEFA require the extra luminosity for TV. Its so they can show the 1st round propper of their 2nd major club competition on TV, without viewers in Switzerland having to turn up the brightness on their sets - it has nothing to do with having enough light for the players or the fans.
So will that mean that they won't televise the last half hour of the game, because we will have to use the lights as they are now, without that extra luminosity?Quote:
Originally Posted by crc
Does it mean that Sky cannot show the U-21 game tomorrow night, because fans in France and around Ireland will have to adjust their sets?
There is an inherent contradiction in their own rule here, and it just makes UEFA look silly.
UEFA dont look silly... but you are beginning to look silly :D . It was explained here and in other posts as to why UEFA have set the rules for floodlights.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
You argue that the 2nd QR was able to use the Turners Cross floodlights so why not the 1st Round. I take it then that you would carry this argument right through to the final, Or would you maybe stop after Round 2 or 3 or 4 etc?
UEFA need to have rules regarding standards. Why you cant be happy that the rubbish EL floodlights were even good enough for the fist two Qualifying Rounds I dont know :confused:
Trust the knowf*ckall from $h€l$ to come in with something stupid....Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
In plain English, so that even a dope like you can understand:
PART of the City v Prague game will be played under lights, the same lights that are deemed not bright enough for all the game.
Now down here, well away from those sheep, like you, who believe every piece of idiotic sh*t fed to them by the hooligan, we tend to question stupid situations like this.
If the lights are acceptable for 30 mins of the game, why aren't they acceptable for 90 minutes of the game?
This is probably far too difficult a concept for you to grapple with, so run along back to the other schoolchildren on your little board.
Sorry, Higgins, Patsh is a very angry man.
Sorry again, the rest of my post got lost....there is a joke going on here about luminosity and our beautiful grey skies that might have bypassed the more irritable among us. The sky over Cork of a September evening is often very beautiful, possibly even illuminating, but definitely not to be depended on for a decent game of backs and forwards on the Mardyke. Of course Uefa are right to insist on their rules, no problem, we'll be there on the day, whatever time the kick-off is.
Because for the 30mins, the floodlights will be assisted by another larger light source, the sun. If however you were to continue for the other 60 minutes, the sun would no longer be there. Some people explain this by saying that the earth moves around in a circle, but I prefer to think that God likes to turn the lights off slowly!Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
I'll try to make this easy for some of you, even the pompous poster should be able to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by crc
It doesn't matter whether its a sunny day or not.
The first 60 minutes or so of this game will probably not need the floodlights, there should be sufficient daylight.
The last 30 minutes or so will need floodlights as it will be dusk, at the very least, more than likely it will be dark.
The floodlights, as the sole source of light, have been deemed to be acceptable for 1 third of the game. If they are acceptable for that part of the game, to say that they are unacceptable for the other 2 thirds of the game is silly and contradictory.
My god Patsh ........ :eek:
Do you really know what your saying?
Firstly it started off you were saying they were ok for the Djurganrdens game, now you are going down a different route.
As was pointed out to you the SUN is in the sky and will add light to the floodlights and therefore make it bright enough to hold the event. You now have changed your argument really.
Your original point was that its a silly rule, i.e. the early kick off do to poor lights I assume? You have yet to explain this to us and didnt answer my question either,
You argue that the 2nd QR was able to use the Turners Cross floodlights so why not the 1st Round. I take it then that you would carry this argument right through to the final, Or would you maybe stop after Round 2 or 3 or 4 etc?
Thank you for putting it into plain english :)Quote:
In plain English, so that even a dope like you can understand:
Im a sheep am I ? good one ..... :DQuote:
Now down here, well away from those sheep, like you, who believe every piece of idiotic sh*t fed to them by the hooligan, we tend to question stupid situations like this.
The reason why you question it is you are ignorant to the rules of the competition.
By 'other' I take it your implying Im still in school ? Sorry but as it wasnt in plain english I didnt get the exact meaning!!Quote:
This is probably far too difficult a concept for you to grapple with, so run along back to the other schoolchildren on your little board.
May I ask what age you are Patsh? and did you ever attend school?
Jebus, do you actually understand any English?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
The lights were good enough for the Djurgarden UEFA Cup game.
The lights will be good enough for the last 30 minutes or so of the Prague UEFA Cup game.
The UEFA decision is silly because they are saying the lights are not suitable for 60 minutes of the Prague UEFA Cup game.
If you are going to post in a topic, at least try to grasp something of the discusion, and try to follow it. Actually can you read, or is someone calling out the posts to you?
Yes I do ,,,Quote:
Jebus, do you actually understand any English?
whos Jebus?
You argue that the 2nd QR was able to use the Turners Cross floodlights so why not the 1st Round. I take it then that you would carry this argument right through to the final, Or would you maybe stop after Round 2 or 3 or 4 etc?
If you refuse to answer any questions and continue to post the same thing how can we have a disscussion?
I really don't know why I'm replying to you, but...well...I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
My point, throughout EVERY post so far on this topic, has been that the UEFA rules are contradictory.
Either the lights are good enough or they are not.
They were good enough for the previous round of the competition, they were good enough for an U-21 European Championship match last night, but they are not good enough for the UEFA 1st round. Why?
TV will be the answer I'm given. (Sky had no problem with the lights for last nights game).
So, if the lights are not good enough for TV, why has UEFA said that they will be good enough for the TV for a portion of the Prague game, the 30 minutes or so when there will be little or no natural light left, so the only source of light for the game and TV will be the floodlights.
The very floodlights that UEFA say are not good enough to play the game under or good enough for TV.
If you cannot see the contradiction and utter silliness of this, then whats the point of discussing anything with you?
As for yor question about other rounds, which have NOTHING to do with the point I was making, the contradiction still remains.
Why? Because the UEFA Cup is one of UEFA's flagship tournaments (whereas the U-21 Ch'ship is not). The real media interest in the UEFA Cup doesn't start until the first round, which is the stage we are at now. UEFA want the games from this flagship tournament to look good on TV. It protects the investment of companies that pay to sponsor it (i.e. they will only sponsor high-quality events).Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
UEFA don't say that the lights aren't good enough to play under. The Turner's Cross lights are good enough to play under, but this represents a minimum standard. They are not good enough for high-quality TV coverage. Yes they are good enough for eL weekly on TV3 every week and even for RTÉ to cover the 2nd qualifying round, but this is not high-quality coverage. Take a look at the lights in Lansdowne tonight and see how much stronger they are compared to standard eL floodlights. It makes an enormous difference to the viewing standard, and this is exactly the point UEFA are trying to uphold in this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
On this point, UEFA are being kind to small teams (like Cork City), who normally only compete in the qualifying rounds, and don't need the stronger, more expensive floodlight systems in their domestic leagues. I suppose UEFA could insist on all clubs having the most powerful kind of floodlights right from the first qualifying round, but those guys in Switzerland are sensible enough to know that the only people who will really be interested in these games are the small number of fans of the clubs themselves. Consider this derogation a benevolence on the part of UEFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
I understand all about UEFA desires to have high quality product etc. etc., their "kindness" to smaller teams from Ireland and countries like it etc.
Part of this game will be played under lights that are "not good enough for high-quality TV coverage". Surely you can see that this contradicts UEFA rule/desire/aim to only have lights that are good enough for high-quality TV coverage.
for instance, will they not allow the part of the game under lights not to be shown on TV? (I know they won't go to those lengths)
If UEFA are being true to their own rules, they should have either insisted the game go ahead during natural daylight only, or else give the derogation for the whole game under lights, not just part of it.
I can understand why UEFA will insist that any club getting into the group stages would have lights for high quality TV coverage as all group games will form some sort of package to be sold by UEFA, but as you said yourself "those guys in Switzerland are sensible enough to know that the only people who will really be interested in these games are the small number of fans of the clubs themselves", so why not allow the game go ahead in the evening, as the high quality TV coverage should not be an issue for the small numbers of fans that we are talking about?
It appears pretty silly to me.
But its not silly Patsh ,, If only our own EL / FAI could set out rules like this all clubs would be better off!!
Because the RULE stats they are not good enough.. Cant understand why you still fail to get this point!! As was said by crc they are being kind to you in the qualifying rounds by letting you play under poor floodlights.Quote:
They were good enough for the previous round of the competition, they were good enough for an U-21 European Championship match last night, but they are not good enough for the UEFA 1st round. Why?
The rule changes in UEFA Cup Round 1, and now Cork have to play most of their match under normal daylight. There does come a stage of the night where the daylight fades and the floodlights comes on. UEFA must have decided that the combined light from the sun and floodlights will be enough for the duration of the game.
any chance you could answer the queston?
You argue that the 2nd QR was able to use the Turners Cross floodlights so why not the 1st Round. I take it then that you would carry this argument right through to the final, Or would you maybe stop after Round 2 or 3 or 4 etc?
You said "The lights were good enough for the Djurgarden UEFA Cup game." do you realise its a different round??? Answer the above question please :)
You very obviously cannot read.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
I've explained my point endlessly over and over again. You continue to ignore it, as you have nothing too say except "answer my question", which I've actually answered long ago, but which is something only you are concerned about, not me.
Bye.....
Lads its fairly simple really. UEFA rules require a certain luminosity as part of their licensing requirement.
The level required increases in stages the further on in tournaments you get. The reason is two-fold:
)the fact that the further on in the tournament the game is the more likely it is to be televised and the more light this requires to be viewed comfortably;and
b)the reality that it is unfair to require smaller clubs who rarely if ever qualify for Europe and lesser still the latter rounds to install super-duper global TV compliant floodlights.
UEFA measure the light from 80 or so spots (?) on the pitch with a meter and it must meet the required standard. It doesn't matter whether the light is all artificial or a combination of artifical and natural. As long as the required standard is met, then you are compliant.
Cork have obviously taken a view, maybe by using said meter, that there will be sufficient TOTAL light from 5.30 until the match finishes, combining natural and floodlights.
PS You're floodlights aren't a patch on those in the Brandywell. FACT. :p