Sadly, some people need a reason not to buy the Scum...

...and here it is. From The Phoenix of August 12:

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IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING to know what the other side really thinks and the British edition of that country's best selling newspaper, the Sun, on the day the news broke of the IRA's decition to decommission weapons and stand down its members, was most instructive.

The Irish edition of the Sun headlined their story with the good news headline: “IT'S OVER!”, reflecting the positive, welcoming mood amongst the natives at the initiative. However, the story published in the British edition of the Sun was printed underneath a somewhat more bitter and triumphant headline of “SURRENDER!”

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I wonder how many Scum-reading patriots will stop buying it in protest.

adam

not really surprised, dont really care either

This cant really be seen as news, they do it all the time with stuff like the introduction of the €, England 1 France 2, loads of things. Dont bother buying it myself anyway.

Even for The Sun (excuse the caps) that is sick. Really sick.

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

not really surprised, dont really care either

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My sentiments exactly. Nowhere near the worst story or headline they have printed

The Sun is a load of boll-ocks anyway, not fit for wiping your arse with it really. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

I wonder how many Scum-reading patriots will stop buying it in protest.

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Why?

Alternatively, you could buy the D-Irish Mirror. You know, the paper that mocks up photos of "troops" abusing "prisoners", and prints IRA codewords; the Sunday Independent, who offended athletes competing in the Special Olympics (2000); the Cork Evening Echo, who reported that fans of a NL-club wreaked "havoc" in the city after a recent league game there; or the Evening Herag who write tripe about NL fans of certain clubs with "links" to Nazi groups. All of which are good reasons to boycott the papers concerned.

Every newspaper makes giant f-ups from time to time, yet people still buy them. There is still a boycott of The Sun in Liverpool, who pre-Hillsborough, had a circulation of 300,000 readers. Despite making numerous apologies to those upset by the appalling allegations printed in the newspaper after it, only 12,000 people buy the paper there today.

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Originally Posted by mypost

There is still a boycott of The Sun in Liverpool, who pre-Hillsborough, had a circulation of 300,000 readers. Despite making numerous apologies to those upset by the appalling allegations printed in the newspaper after it, only 12,000 people buy the paper there today.

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Banned in my house since that incident.

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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Banned in my house since that incident.

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And yet Liverpool expect their apology for heysel to be accepted by the Juve fans...

btw never brought the right wing rag anyway, or any from the murdoch stable....

mypost, have you read any of these "numerous apologies"?

There was a supposed apology last year that just turned into a 'get over it, it's been ages' sort of rant. Funnily enough, around the time of Rooney signing a deal with them.
I haven't heard of other apologies.

I'd like to let myself believe I boycott the paper for things like Hillsborough, but really I don't buy it 'cos it's a heap of tripe.

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Originally Posted by Macy

And yet Liverpool expect their apology for heysel to be accepted by the Juve fans...

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Don't think expect is the right word Macy. It was offered, accepted by some but not by most which is their right. Same situation with that rag, an apology has been offered but most chose to refuse it.

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Originally Posted by noby

I'd like to let myself believe I boycott the paper for things like Hillsborough, but really I don't buy it 'cos it's a heap of tripe.

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Yeah, I'd have to agree. The Sun, and others like it give plenty of reasons to boycott them, but why boycott something that is Grade A Sh1te in the first place?!?

B.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Why? . . . Every newspaper makes giant f-ups from time to time, yet people still buy them . . .

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Ok, you have made a fair point, but really, mypost, are you stretching it a bit? When a newspaper makes a mistake, they know it whether they admit it or not. In the case of The Sun newspaper, they appear to strive for ever-lower standards. The paper is in and of itself a giant f-up. The fact that so many people go out and buy it stands out there among the other five sorrowful mysteries.

Never bought the Sun before and definitely won't buy it now, not with my political views!!

Weren't the Sun the ones who had headlines like WE GOT THEM when the London bombers were arrested?

The Sun is little more than nasty right wing Tory establishment Unionist rag. They have dropped some mighty clangers down through the years. Here are some beauts:

Sir Roger Casement - The Sun has called him numerous times, 'a traitor'

Falklands War - 'Gotcha' headline when the Sun rejoiced in the sinking of the Belgrano which took hundreds of Argentine lives. It caused outrage......in the UK.

Demonization No. 1, The Miners Strike - The demonization of Arthur Scargill and the NUM signalled the Sun's relentless attacks on the trade union movement in Britain. Scargill face was even doctored to make him look like Adolf Hitler.

Demonization No. 2. Hillsborough - Disgusting article that claimed that Liverpool fans robbed the dead and dying. John Pilger wrote a brilliant article in his book "Heroes" about one family's attempt to fight the Sun and its vicious lies. Still get a great kick at seeing Liverpool barstoolers fawn over Page 3.

Demonization No. 3. The Yugoslav Civil Wars - This Sun spearheaded the right-wing in demonizing..... a whole people, the Serbs as Nazis, a vitrolic campaign not seen since the Lebensraum campaign of the Third Reich and the Ustasa went out of business circa April 1945. Enter John Pilger, John Simpson & Robert Fisk to save the day. Thanl God we still have good investigative journalists.

Euro '96, the 'Achtung' headline - On the day of the England V Germany semi final in Wembley, the Sun printed in its front page a charactature of Gazza and Stuart Pearce wearing Tommy hats that inflamed hostile feelings against the German people so much that the German Embassy complained and one Russian national was kicked to death in the centre of London beacuse a drunken mob thought he was German.

Demonization No. 4, Immigrants & asylum seekers - If the Sun had their way, they'd all be locked up and deported.

The Third Gulf War post 2003 - The Sun's unadultarated support for the Bush/Blair imperialist war machine In Iraq, a war that is clearly been fought for vested and immoral interests at the behest of the Iraqi people. Why do people still read this ****.

I despise the politics of the Sun, but it covers the eircom League better than any other paper, so I buy it. Thats what matters to me. I fully understand people's reason for not buying it though.

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Weren't the Sun the ones who had headlines like WE GOT THEM when the London bombers were arrested?

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Was coming back from Cardiff :( that day, headline was 'GOT THE BAST*RDS' .

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Originally Posted by noby

mypost, have you read any of these "numerous apologies"?

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Yes.

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There was a supposed apology last year that just turned into a 'get over it, it's been ages' sort of rant. I haven't heard of other apologies.

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There were other apologies before and after the Rooney story. Since then, in the last few months, one of the "Justice for Hillsborough" campaign groups accepted another apology from the paper for the allegations made in 1989.

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Originally Posted by macy

Never bought the right wing rag anyway

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Oh dear. :eek: The paper may have a reputation in the past for being right wing, but they openly support the current UK left-wing govenment policies these days, while mocking the policies of their right-wing opponents.

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or anything from the murdoch stable

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...but it's considered ok to watch Live Premiership/La Liga football from his broadcasting corporation instead? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Partizan

"Achtung"

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Wrong paper. That was the Mirror's brainwave. The Sun condemned their move.

The Sun is far from angelic, and has printed gutter journalism occasionally. However, other papers are just as guilty. While the UK Sun edition can be sensationalist, the Irish edition is milder in comparison, and it's content is rarely controversial. It also has, by some distance, the best coverage of NL football. That's why the newspaper is the best selling tabloid in Ireland, and is regularly sold out here.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Oh dear. :eek: The paper may have a reputation in the past for being right wing, but they openly support the current UK left-wing govenment policies these days, while mocking the policies of their right-wing opponents.

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Eh, New Labour are right wing. The Sun only started supporting them after Blair lurched the party to the right.

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Originally Posted by mypost

...but it's considered ok to watch Live Premiership/La Liga football from his broadcasting corporation instead?

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I've never paid sky for a subscription, and have no intention off.

Whilst you're right about it being the Mirror that did the "Achtung" headline, you're extremely easy on the Irish Sun. It is virtually the same paper, with a different headline, and some additional sport. Most of the content is exactly the same, and it's just some cop out to claim that the paper is somehow different when it simply isn't arsed covering irish news to a significant degree. Ditto the mirror. They should look to the Star which has some of the best journalists in the country and actually break interesting and significant stories.

Look at all the trees that were chopped down in the jungles to create that thrashy newspaper that wrote first degree slander about Liverpool fans. Not only that The Sun has often created a libelious issue with its foul journalism, it has created an enviromental issue by all the trees that are chopped to make the newspaper in the first place. So on the next Bonfire's night, get every Sun newspaper and burn it in your local Market Square to make your point, page three girls or no page three girls.

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaster

page three girls or no page three girls.

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:eek: :D :D

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaster

it has created an enviromental issue by all the trees that are chopped to make the newspaper in the first place. So on the next Bonfire's night, get every Sun newspaper and burn it in your local Market Square to make your point,

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Just to help the environment is it?

Was sickened by that headline. Its excellent for eL coverage back home, and its a lot less pompous the Irish edition too, and bought the Irish edition a lot. but i have stopped buying it, you get to see their true colours over here. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Éanna

I despise the politics of the Sun, but it covers the eircom League better than any other paper, so I buy it. Thats what matters to me. I fully understand people's reason for not buying it though.

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No team line-ups for match reports Eanna , how is that better coverage?

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Originally Posted by Macy

Eh, New Labour are right wing. The Sun only started supporting them after Blair lurched the party to the right.

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Labour are a left-wing socialist party. It doesn't matter if they want to re-invent themselves, they are still left-wing.

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you're extremely easy on the Irish Sun. It is virtually the same paper, with a different headline, and some additional sport. Most of the content is exactly the same, and it's just some cop out to claim that the paper is somehow different when it simply isn't arsed covering irish news to a significant degree.

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Certainly, the UK Sun printed awful unfounded allegations post-Hillsborough, but it was also the paper that secretly uncovered Bruce Grobbelaar receiving unauthorised payments to throw Liverpool games in 1993.

The Irish Sun is less sensationalist, and covers all the top Irish stories, and has it's own Irish columnists. All the red-top tabloids here, are Irish editions of the UK edition, are more conservative, and feature roughly the same amount of stories from here.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Labour are a left-wing socialist party. It doesn't matter if they want to re-invent themselves, they are still left-wing.

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Not in the UK they're not, not since Bliar railroaded changes to Clause 4 of the party's constitution at the annual conference back in 1994.

Hence, any grounding in socialism that the party may have had moved from this:

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Originally Posted by Labour's original Clause Four

To secure for the producers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry, and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible, upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry and service.

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To this:

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Originally Posted by Bliar's watered-down version

The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few. Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe. And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.

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Mmm-mmm-mmm. Nice and fluffy. Socialism-lite, if you will. :rolleyes:

Note well, mypost. Calling yourself socialist does not mean that you are a socialist. After all, did a certain German political movement of the 1930s not include a reference to "socialist" in their name? An extreme case, sure, but the point is made.

:ball: PP

Actually the name Labour was choosen to encourage a wide, support base and the secular interests of socialism (can easily be rewrote to say they didn't have the cojones to come out and actually stand for socialism unequvicolly)

mypost; another (Brit edition) scum headlines 'Are we run by a Gay Mafia?' front page article regarding the possibility that a few of the Labour cabinet may not turn to their 'news'papers fascinating atricles on page three when they pick it up. I can't seem to remember any are we run by a hetrosexual mafia headlines under the when Mellor and the rest of the randy feckers were in Number 10. The Sun never actually really why a persons sexuality should affect their ability to run the country and as far as I remember never apologised for this disgraceful homophobic slur, but hey who cares about stirring up hatred when you can shift a few more copies.

Equally the ill disguised gloating of the rag when Lee Clegg was released stood in stark contrast to their reaction when the Birmingham six or the Guilford four were released and instead of commenting on the disgrace the conviction was, they concentrated on the fact that ten innocent men who had spent a decade behind bars may recieve compesation. But then again who cares they were only Irish :eek: :mad: