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Ya bad result for yee but good for us.If we beat kildare tommorrow yee have to come to terryland next week and it would be in our hands to make up some ground.How did yee loose,Dundalk are terrible :eek:
i have. we were brutal. and as for dope face(McGauley) he just loves getting sent off. on a positve note though our keeper was excellent. he will keep mooney out.
That was plain brutal, teribble or any other word you care to think of for crap.
Only player to come out of that match with any credit was the keeper.
They all looked like they were wrecked & not interested.
Did they have a massive training session before the match or something ??
As for McGauley well what kind of a t1t is he??
I don't know where that performance came from but it doesn't auger very well for the future. Hopefully it was a one off.
To sum it up in one sentence
I wasted my evening to go & see that sh1te :mad: Massively dissapointed !!
That'll do nicely ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gael353
Worst performance all year,and just before we hopfully sign a few new players,the players hoping to keep their places on the team didn,t do themselves justice.Sullivan in goals did very well,although slow coming off his line in the first half,take molan out of the back 4 and we were solid enough,midfield was our worst area never seemed to help the forwards and seemed very tired,donnellon tried hard but not many chances created,forwards ran all night but as i already said they were on their own.You always have bad days in the office,lets hope this was one.Whatever about bringing in purcell we badly need to bring in strength in the middle,its unfair on derek mac to play out of position week after week,knowing that he is a proven goalscorer. :eek:
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Originally Posted by Ringo
ya it will :D
kildare and dundalk are coming into the mix now though
Well i travelled down yesterday, hopeing we might just get a draw, Dont really know how it took so long to score, that keeper aint bad now , i was wacthing him in the warm up and he didnt look great but he proved himself anyway, your man that got send off is a dirty **** thats for sure, ah well lads hard luck anyway thanks for the three points .
Well done lads, ye did us proud :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave drummerboy
The less said about this game the better. I don't see the point in repeating the same things game after game that all of us can clearly see are giving us problems. If there is anything good to come out of what was the worst 'performance' I have ever seen from a senior football team, it's that maybe the management will realise that players need to be signed in the key positions that we have been harping on about since day one. I doubt it though. Hope i'm wrong.
BTW, thought Kevin O'Sullivan was superb, but again not very good under crosses\high balls. Hopefully he'll improve there, 'cos he looks a better bet than Mooney.
On another bum note, I seriously doubt that performance will convince 500 fans to travel to Galway......
Ye'll be lucky if yee have 50 and with us winning tonight and bang on form it aint a good time to be travelling up to Terryland :) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
The thing is that once we keep playing these players who are weakening our team this pulls our better players down to their level. Look at Robbie, hes up there doing the work of two men cos that clown cant run or do anything for that matter. We've only played well once this season away to Kildare and thats it.We were hammered in Monaghan but won in the last min, we huffed and puffed against athlone untill their defence colapased and they gave us 3 goals in the last twenty, be beat a poor Kilkenny side two nil in one of the biggest bores untill Friday night. We were beaten at home by sligo cos we are defective in the afore mentioned areas (for the last 3 months) had a lucky win away to 9 man Dublin as they ran all over our 8 players and three passangers and then Friday night. Ok booing might be harsh but that was the worst performence by any limerick team in over ten years. Att are dropping cos the football if u wanna call it that is so so poor. So why are we up in 4th or whatever it is the answer is the league is **** poor and every fan knows it. But i love cork right i love the girls and so on but Wolfe, Cant Pass and Nolan have to be the least talented players ever to come from that county. How can we possibly chalange with them on board? Oh yea O'Sullivan put in the best keepers performance other then O'Hara of Sligo the other night so he must be dropped for the return of the jester!
I hope you're right because this kind of result has been coming for a while. We've been beating teams, but not at all convincingly. Ironically enough, we put in our best performance when we were beaten at home to Sligo, as it was a big game and an oppertunity to go top of the table. But there was no spark against lowly Dundalk. We were flat and completely devoid of ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny
I think it's unfair on Derek McCarthy, Bryan Donnellan and Tom McGauley being played out of position. Three of our better players being sacrificed in their proper positions to cater for our three passengers. Tom McGauley, probably our best defender in the air, is being played left back. He's now been sent off twice in that position and is clearly not suited to playing out wide. His positioning isn't right and he dives into tackles as a result. Derek should be up front while Bryan Donnellan is being played on the wrong flank. If these things were put right, we'd have a much better and more balanced side, and that's without even signing a player. You add Eoin Keating in the centre of midfield and another decent signing and we'd be looking good.
I think it was the worst performance in a few seasons - even worse than last season! Nothing worked. Basic errors like marking at set pieces, control and passing. From Molan's mistakes in the first 2 minutes a complete sense of apathy and lack of ability seemed to sweep through the team. We made a very average Dundalk team look brilliant.
Sullivan made two fantastic saves and almost deserved a clean sheet for them. He does seem glued to his line though. Mooney should get his place back. He is as good a keeper and contributes more in terms of organisation at the back. Finny and Wolfe did okay in open play but at set pieces the marking was awful. This is something that Finny should be organising.
Midfield is a big problem at this stage. Carthy had a terrible game IMO. I know he is out of position, but that doesn't explain not being able to control the ball and find a blue shirt with passes. He was caught in possession too often because he needed too manytouches to control. He is a fine player most days and I think this was an aberration in fairness. He shouldn't have stayed on as long as he did.
It was obvious as well on Friday night that the crowd really don't give a chance to certain players. While others get away with murder. NOC gets accused of showing favouritism and yet the fans do it as much. For example, nobody was swearing at Carthy, and Robbie was awful (for a change) but nothing said. Nolan was given no credit for good play early in the game. Granted second half he was anonymous and rightly subbed. But its almost as if fans are waiting for certain players to mess up, and then overlook bad play by others. The calls for CP to 'jump' with the centre half were typical. If he won the headers the ball would only have run onto the keeper. He did the right thing by putting some pressure on teh centre half so that the clearance would be rushed and maybe taken by the midfield who should have pushing up behind the play. Also, if the centre half misses or makes a mistake he can take advantage. But some fans took his 'not jumping' as a sign of disinterest. I am not saying he was brilliant or anything near it - he, like many of teh others, was ineffective but only he got the stick.
The other thing that struck me was the silence of the team. Apart from McGauley and Mooney, nobody on that team talks. Molan nodded it out for a corner at one stage with nobody behind him, because he got no call. Players rush clearances or get caught in possession for want of a basic call. Its junior type stuff. You'd think we were the Library Inter Firm team. This applies to NOC as well (and Ryan). If nothing else out of sheer frustration any manger would have been bollicking his player sout of it that night. NOC was stoney. That has to change.
NOC's sub policy is baffling. If that performance didn't warrant changes what would? At least Rossi got half an hour - and O'Mahoney's substitution came in the 88th minute. Why wasn't he on for Molan who was having a very poor game. I did not hear who else was on the bench but I presume Ryan was there. Ahearne. Either of these could have been given a run. And why make a change at 88 minutes? A substition is not a sign of weakness.
I still think we will be thereabouts at the end of the season, though Friday was worrying. Not for the performance but for the reaction (or lack thereof) from the bench and from certain players. If we want to do it we can - but this is a critical stage now.
I have always said that we are in a false position all year. If we continue not to pick our strongest 11 players then we will slide down the table.
LFC - Ask NOC why Stevie was dropped, I know why and it's got nothing to do with football either. :mad: We have lost enough players from his Management Style already. Molan is one of NOC's Pets, of which there are a few,can do no worng alongside CP, Jamie etc.
What is it do you lose all sense when you move to Langerland or what? All 3 of the Cork lads (Wolfe,Nolan and CP) are poor IMO. When we played Carthy up front with Robbie we were scoring goals and both worked hard. CP will not work and slows down just as he is about to get the ball why ?? Even Freud would have his work cut out there I think. Nolan is prob a good Striker, I dont know as I have never seen him there. To Reiterate a point made earlier We are playing too many people out of position and there is NO Leadership from the sidelines either. I have seen this happen before when we were bottom of the league a few yrs back in the Jacks...Plus cha change C'est La meme chose etc!!
We have a huge gaping hole in the middle of the park also. Rossi should at least be given a try in the next game (Could do no worse). What about our New Zealand international, I bet he can control the ball, unlike Donnellan :rolleyes:
Team that would beat Galway:
O'Sullivan
Stevie
Finnie
Wolfe (Cant think of anyone - since we left Timmy Lynch go)
McGauly (suspended prob)
Rossi
Barrett
Keatso
Young
Carthy
Robbie
Totally Pi****ed off at the mo
JohnD
BTW Welcome back 3 Ex Limerick Players in a few weeks when we play the Kerry Lads (Sugrue,Lynch,Conway). Pity we dont have James now !!
i heard calls to the samaritans went up by 100% after fridays game, as one guy said to me the other night why dont you go to snooker halls start smoking and develop a decent hobbie for depressing yourself! i think the slovakian lad Rasto Kupec is available to play now. But in all honesty we're gonna get hammered by galway cos we dont know how to defend set pieces. This is galways main strength and the fact we play with only one midfielder means there two experienced mid fielders will have a field day. Stevie will be back with molem switched to left back for that fool 'sweat' McGauley. But some players who everyone bar one or two (one in management) we said at the start of the season we shouldnt sign should be flogged off now there shockingly bad.
JohnD - I agree with every single word you said (apart from me having no sense). I would play Carthy up front with Robbie as well. Keating is badly needed. I also agree (in fact i think I said we had no leadership on the bench as well as on the pitch). I know why Stevie was dropped - although quite a lot of fans were looking for him to be dropped anyway. I'd also like to see Young given a proper chance. I'd pick the same team as yourself except I'd have Mooney in goal if fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD
The only thing we seem to disagree on is whether CP should have jumped on Friday. :) [I know a few want him to jump permanently :) ]. The point I was trying to make was just that some players do not seem to be getting a fair crack from the management - though ironically this is also true of the fans.
The real issue when I thought about the game was teh complete lack of urgency from the manager when we were obviously struggling. No substitutions - no tactical change - nothing. Not even a roar or a bollicking for the players during the game. That's worrying. Is there any manager in the eL that you can think of that could have watched that as impassionately as NOC? Every one of them would have been screaming blue murder. Thats whats worrying me.
Agree with you re Lack of Passion etc. Real bad vibes around town for the past few days. We are certainly going to lose a lot of the more fickle fans if we continue to play that way.
Never meant to say you had no sense :p , always rekconed you were very sensible young chap!!. Our 3 players from the Second city, however, havent got a ounce of sense (in footballing terms)between them.
JohnD
Long time since anyone called me young! ;) Thank you - you've made a depressed blue very happy. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD
Sweat is a legend. It's nuts to play him out of position. I'd have him back at the drop of a hat, but that's highly unlikely, not least because we have about 5 possible centre-halves. BTW one bad result doesn't ruin a season.
Your right. The important thing is not the fact that we lost but how we react to that loss. So here's hoping we stuff Galway. :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maynard
Agree 100%, but we havent played well at all and you should know that when your 9 ran rings around us. I was accused by a certain TV pundit after the Dublin city game that i was being too harsh (in asking them to play well) and the supporters were expecting too much (in asking them to play well) and quotes of "there not bad team if there playing bad and winning".....lets get one thing straight...our team has never played well this season FACT! Also Joesoap, get a life the lads idea is first class and as an EL supporter id expect that if i were in any other EL town/city i would go to an EL game in that town/city. You are right though about shutting up about it, cos the big issues that concern us arent little spats before or after games, the big problems in Limerick FCs case as they have been now for the last 4 months are a certain center half :rolleyes: a right wing :mad: and a forward :eek: so lets sort that out shall we? Can we get a poll up about what are the reasons in our amazing slump in form which will result in a major drop in support as it all ready has done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maynard
I totally agree with you on this point. It seemed like an eternity before Rossi eventually came on and an 88min substitution is one you make when you're leading in order to disrupt the flow of the game. :confused: It's not the first time that NOC has appeared slow in changing things and while we hopefully can put this disaster behind us with a win on Friday night (as we did after the loss to Sligo) it isn't reassuring at all that our manager doesn't react earlier in a game when things aren't working. Another point you raised is the total lack of verbal communication on the field. It's incomprehensible that an eL team don't talk to each other constantly on the field. You'd hear more talking from a bunch of kids having a kick-around on the beach on Sunday afternoon. However as NOC doesn't seem to be too vocal on the touchline, maybe we can't completely blame the players. Dare I say that at least Dermot Keely makes himself heard! :eek: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LFC in Exile
I do blame the players for their own lack of communication. It does not require a verbal manager to make sure you tell a guy he has time or 'man on'. Some players are quiet by nature - fair enough - but we manage to get 9 of them every week. I know I go on about him a lot - but i was at Douglas Hall's recent FAI Cup game against Moyle Park and Sweeney ran the show. He encouraged, berated and directed his team mates constantly. We have all played on teams with guys like this and they are great to play with. The guy who shouts but doesn't do it himself is no good to anyone - but we need someone (more than one) to take responsibility on the pitch. :ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerry Blue
That's completely over the top. Before the Sligo game we were the form team in the division. Since then we played well against Sligo by all accounts and unfortunately lost, beat Dublin City and had a stinker against Dundalk. Lets get some perspective. We are not world beaters but we are more than holding our own in this division. Yes, we are short players in key positions but NOC and Drew themselves would probably accept that.Quote:
Originally Posted by gael353
We were robbed against Cobh at home - played really well and gave away a soft goal. According to Sligo fans we were very unlucky up in Sligo. we should have beaten them there - hit the post twice. Unlucky in both cup games.
There is an argument that can't be resolved if the view taken is that we should be 'doing better' - which is impossible to measure. We are in contention at this stage of the season. The slump in form you talk about is a defeat to the run away leaders (a narrow one) and a really bad performance with a last minute goal to Dundalk. Prior to that we were unbeaten in 6 games - winning 5 of them.
Lets not press the panic button yet. :ball:
You hit the nail on the head with regard to Sweeny. He is exactly what we need. We want a Leader in the middle who will work hard but have a go at players if they are not performing as well. He would be a good captain !!
Anyone from the Club reading this (I am sure there are :p ) please sign him !!
JohnD
Wolfie and Barrett seem to do a lot of talking and encouraging on the Pitch to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by LFC in Exile
I think he has to knock Rovers out o fthe cup to complete their misery first. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD
john ring douglas hall get his no ask him dose he want to play and listen to his ansQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnD
I Take it Willie that he does not want to join us so ? :(
Maybe if we all rang him and asked him nicely. :D Either way It's obvious that there is a complete lack of leadership on the field and we need to adress that post haste
All the best
JohnD
:confused: :confused: :eek: I never knocked anyones ideas here. I presume its the Galway500 initiave you're on about, and I certainly didn't knock that....I just pointed out what Danny might have been thinking, thats all. I personally think its a great idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by gael353
id really like to know what matches half of ye are watching this season
cos i cant remember any match where finny played better then wolfe,,,
Especially the other night if it wasnt for a beatiful timed wolfe tackel in the
2nd half we would have been behind earlier finny is by far one of the most
over rated players in the limerick team , ..
your some clown daydreamer. why didnt you reply to the responces of all the fans to your previous waffle post about wolfe being beter then finni! Oh do you go to the away games? i take it not cos thats where passanger number 5 is at his best :rolleyes: Remember the key thing about being a center half is to mark your man and header, neither of which Wolfe can do. So are you his brother or his girlfriend?
Your wrong again there Gael. Wolfe is a decent centrehalf. I wouldn't go as far as saying he is better than Finny, but this season Finny has been below par.
Wolfe is excellent at reading the game. He is not the tallest centre half around so he has to compensate for that. And he does. He cuts out problems mostly before they happen and (despite the previous post mentioning one) he rarely has to make last ditch tackles - unless he is covering for someone else.
The focus on the back five is wrong IMO. They are not letting in a lot of goals when the first chocie are played i.e. Mooney, O'Mahoney, Wolfe, Finny and McGauley. That unit works (most of the time). That has been the unit since around the start of April when we have let in 11 goals in 12 games and 4 clean sheets. The two against Sligo and 2 against Kilkenny are unusual in that run.
The real issue is central midfield. If that gets fixed I think we can look forward to a good run-in. Barrett and Carthy don't complement each other in there and if that doesn't work it puts a lot pressure on the defence. When you take that into consideration the back five seem every more impressive. :ball:
some sort of a clown ha will you stop finny is an average defender and thats
giving him a bit he cost us 2 goals in the 1st away game to cobh and ever since then he has just continued to play below par, at least he's consistent at
that,if Brian Buckley we would see just how poor he is ....
There's that B word again. :(
Finny has done it for us season after season. the only reason he might be considered below par this year is because he has performed to such high standards previously. Even with teh two goals he 'cost' us in Cobh they don't compare any way with the amount of great defending. I'm sure Paul McGrath once gave away a couple of golas too. :ball:
B*****y is grand staying in his nice safe junior world playing against Mickey Mouse strikers and looking like Beckenbauer of Fairgreen.
looks like somebody has a gripe with buckley!!!! chucka's a class act,maybe if he was actually approached by limerick he might just say yes :eek:
Ok lads after seeing yet another shocker last night well to be honest most limerick fans at the game seemed to have their money on galway so well done to them for winning. First up LFC, WOLFE is not good IMO and clown! what are u on lads im not trying to say im a better supprter or anything but ive seen them in every game this season home and away and wolfe and Finni do not work well together. McGauley si being played out of position and is too slow so slow in fact he looks like an asmatic ant taking home some heavy shopping! Wolfe can make the first or innitial clearence/challenge well but then he falls asleep and last night on many an occasion he overcommits in the other half leaving OUR MAN OF THE MATCH AGAIN, Finni to pick up the pieces. The back 5 is not solid. Yes our main prob is our midfield or the lack ot it and our style of play ie long ball doesnt exactly mean pretty football or watchable for that matter. Sweeney may stillbe comming talking to him for ages last night and in Gort and well i cant say as he asked me not to and hes reading this. :D Hi Bren! oh 4tothefloor hes looking for you by the way for saying hes "yesterdays man" so i told him if he signed id point you out to him lol oh if you want to see the ful picture by the way, i always look at the opposition pages to see what they think of the game etc as you can see there quite chuffed with the team the way they "hammered" us or "bossed" us. And maybe lims till i die will tell ye but galway arnt anything great. AT the moment we are no better then we were when we last played in the Jacks and we finished last then.
this is to lfc in exile, regarding the buckley debate,he is everybit as good if not better than whats up in limerick and they should be looking to sign local talent because they wont attract f*ck all else outside cork rejects and other unknowns just happy to say they played LOI.
If not to start then to at least have as an option.i think there is a few junior players in limerick at the moment that could do a better job than the players that are up there,especially in midfield where they look short of bodies.There is quite a few midfielders in limerick that would hold their own at that level.
For the last time, I said he was yesterdays man in the sense that he is a former player who has moved on and people should get over it. I wasn't referring to his ability on the pitch. I'm one of the people that would love to see him sign, but i'm not going to keep going on about it. So you can point me out to him all you like! I was actually in JohnD's car when Brendan was talking to him after the game in Galway so he's already seen me :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gael353
Personally, I think the more we ask for a certain player to be signed, i.e. Sweeney, Buckley etc, the less chance it is likely to happen....