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since when did they start asking people to stand for this uber-mockery of a moment.
he's a td not a king
I can't say I like the idea of it and shant be standing at future games - I thought I was standing for the anthems on saturday and was less than pleased when I realised what was going on.
It's the first time i ever had to stand for it and i did so and will do again if asked,i just hope people will not boo the next time
oh yes I'd forgotten the booing.
I just don't think this kind of silliness has any place at an international. I've respect for the office of taoiseach but I wouldn't stand if bertie was opening my local supermarket. you wouldn't see wembley standing for tony blair
this kind of elevating of the taoiseach is yet another kick in the stones for bona fide democracy and promotes the elitism of these politician goons.
btw - sorry mods- should have posted in other forum- move when possible
I agree with you,but even though i am not Berties biggest fan i still do not want to be disrespctful to him or the positionQuote:
Originally Posted by dynamo kerry
fair enough. i see your point but being asked in the first place is inappropriate in my opinion.. the booing is tongue in cheek really and reflects the reality.
agree to disagree with you on the future standing.
I didn't stand for Bertie, I've no time for him or his poliitcs but I didn't boo him. But yet again, where is our head of state for the games? I think the President was at the Cyprus game last September and that's about it in the last few years.
who was it who got the big cheer after we al booed bertie. there was a big laugh - was it the referee?
what have we come to when the leader of our nation, whether you like him or not, cant be shown a bit of respect when he's presented at an international occasion?? and as for the pathetic booing... most of the clowns booing probably dont even have any reason to do so other than they are sheep and will do what others around are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamo kerry
this kind of nonsense is yet another example of how unpatriotic we have become. imo Bertie has done far far more than any previous politician for sport in this country and should be respected for that alone
all I'm saying is that he shoulnd't be put on a pedastel. He's only a politician.
not any better or worse than the others. I'm perfectly patriotic thank you very much. Patriotism does not include deifying an elected official.
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Originally Posted by Conor74
legend
Exactly what i was trying to say but put better than i could put itQuote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
I don't go to Ireland games any more, but when I did, I ALWAYS booed that idiot ahern every time he appeared and I would encourage people to do so in the future. He's an idiot and an enemy of irish sport- **** him
I don't support Pat Rabbitte either. Bertie has been bad for Irish sport, football in particular, and if he has the gall to turn up at Landsdowne looking for adulation he can forget it. ANY political leader who has shown Irish football the disrespect that this idiot has deserves to be booed- its not an anti-FF/Bertie thing, it's purely based on his record with regard to sportQuote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Well the issue didn't arise, because I wasn't at landsdowne when any of them were there! But in principle, yes I would have. What really gets me about Bertie is the whole eircom Park thing TBH. Anyway, I told Bertie exactly what I thought of his attitude to Irish sport on the one occasion I met himQuote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Bertie lost what little respect I had for him when he appeared as a pundit on the Premeriship. My God, talk about demeaning the Office in a feeble attempt "to be a man of the people". Pathetic.
I think should get rid of the Taoiseach's salute and the President's salute and all this nonsense of being presented to the teams.
When the hell did that happen?!? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I'd actually forgotten all about thatQuote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
First we shoot the greatest man in the histrory of the country and now we can't show any respect for the leader of the country,and despite all this,we as a nation love to talk about how patriotic(spelling?) we are and how much we love Ireland :rolleyes:
ireland isn't about it's politicians. You can be patriotic and have no time for politicians.
I've been at a fair few internationals now and have never been asked to stand for this 'salute' before. If it's only because bertie hasn't been at the other games then I ask 'why not'?
ps: I object to standing for any taoiseach. not just bertie and please don't use such sweeping statements as 'greatest man in this country' at least add a IMHO.
I'm not arguing with you here but i must ask who do you feel is?Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamo kerry
I go to footballl matches to watch football, not to salute a man who I dont know anything about, im ignorant to politics as are alot of people I know.. Shame on me but its my decision so if anyone walks out on the pitch other than the ireland team or there opponents i will boo them.. Chris doran, Mary mcaleese(spelt wrong i dont care), Bertie, Nelson mandella.. **** off im here to watch football!
I'm open to discussion on - this is hardly the forum - but I'd put your candidate in the list of possibles myself. It's the sweeping nature of your statement I have an issue with - not the idea itself ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by D2 Red
Personally I wouldn't bow or "salute" to any man or women be it the Taoiseach or Bishop Brennan. I can't stand all that sort of stuff. I try to live my life and honestly as I can but I am no better than any other man and they are no better than me. Just because they have a lofty position doesn't mean they are better people.
It always amazed me how coincidental it was that he was shot on Cathal Brugha Street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
The only person we should stand for is the President as Head of State and not some politician.
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Originally Posted by stojkovic
I booed Bertie, I always do. It's a public forum, he's a public representative, so perfectly within my rights to show how I feel about him. If anythings disrespected that office, it's his hero CJH anyway...
Reasons to boo, apart from his politics....
1) Failure to support eircom Park.
2) Failure to deliver Abbotstown after scuppering eP
3) Failure to meet financial committments after the FAI ditched eP
4) Failure to support our league.
5) "Premiership" appearance
6) Only willing to comment on United, not our league
7) Bending over for McManus whilst the team he proclaims to love is sold out by the tax dodgy
I would add, I would find it a lot harder to justify booing the Head of State....Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Edit - Unless it was Dana, but if she got elected I think I'd re-emigrate :eek:
What???? Someone's shot Ronan Keating???? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by D2 Red
My issue with it has nothing to do with Bertie personally. Were he president I probably would stand but he's not and such a salute should be reserved for the the head of state. Even if the head of state's powers are extremely limited.
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Originally Posted by Snoop Drog
As far as i'm concerned Bertie is the head of state,This does not mean i do not respect the President or the position itself because i do but it's Bertie who is running the country and is trying to do the best for the country we live in and love(some of us)
In recent years we as a nation have been hypocritical because we have for many years laughed at the purely for show British Monarchy and yet we have devalued our own Presidency to almost the same standard.
In regards to standing for the salute,I will stand for anyone i feel is doing their best for me and my country even if it was one of you.
i booed him but I'm a sheep :p maaa
seriously, how often do we get a chance to express a political opinion. how often are the elections. this govt stinks, they are a shower of right wing f***ers and yer man comes out and describes himself as a socialist well he can shove it up his a***, he deserves to be booed as far as I'm concerned and if other people want to boo him for different reasons to mine well its a free country :D
That would be my reasons too, it's a football stadium and he's looking for respect from football fans when he's done nothing but damage football in this country, he can forget it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Add in some other reasons
8) His recent comments about not being sure if we should redo Lansdowne or build somewhere else. When we finally get a plan together this eejit is trying to f*ck things up again :rolleyes:
9) The main reason, for having the sheer nerve to call himself a lifelong Shels fan in the build up to the Deportivo match. He lives IN Drumcondra, bloody spitting distance of Tolka. His local is used by match day fans every time we play, that's how close he is, yet I've never once seen him there. I think he managed to make the Deportivo game in the end though, even coming home from a holiday early :rolleyes: And with his beloved Man U playing on TV on the same day too.
Truth hurts Red Conor? Just ignore it anyway, shouldn't be too hard for FF to ignore something written down and placed in front of them....Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Being FF, surely you'd be taking the kids out of school to go on holiday anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Must have been $hiting himself :rolleyes: you wouldnt have booed ST. Jack Lynch :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
Get off the stage ya twit .... where the fúck do you get off ya fúcking clown !!
most of the clowns booing probably dont even have any reason to do so
Are you for real ?? ..... You seriously cannot believe that .... you have manged to turn on your PC so you cant be that bad !! ..... get a hold of yourself willya, keep it together
another example of how unpatriotic we have become. imo Bertie has done far far more than any previous politician for sport in this country and should be respected for that alone
The state is closing in on 100 years old ..... step back and look at how you think the history books will read .... and this aint a party thing (if you take the time to look) .... who will go down in the books as a crook/charlaton ???
Remember .... it will be forever more !!
calm down A Face!
Correct me if I'm completely wrong but didn't ahern once comment on the fact that Drumcondra were his team. I know he made leanings towards Shels when it suited him but in reality if he was a Drums supporter then you couldn't blame him for not being naturally inclined to Shels...
Come off it Xlex. That's just a convenient out for him, normally followed by "I'm a supporter of the league now". How many times is he seen in eL grounds - I'd say I am in them more even these days :o :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xlex
ah sunny evenings down at the Carisle...Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Jesus even that would be something... :rolleyes: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xlex