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What rules changes would you like to see?
I personally hate the recent rules regarding when a player goes off for treatment that he has to wait to get the referee's attention before he can come on. I recently saw a game where the play got a yellow card for coming on before he got the ok. Surely letting the assistant referee know is enough?
Also, the yellow card for taking off the shirt. That's just stupid.
i fuking hate when a player is sheperding the ball out for a goal kick....its more or less obstruction...if this happens for say,more than 5 seconds, it should be a free in
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Originally Posted by thecorner
very frustrating but hard to deal with.
unless they make it a foul if you make no attempt to play the ball but stop an opposing player from doing so.(as in the moment you look like you're blocking an opponent)
I'd agree about stopping the automatic yellow carding of celebrations and taking off your shirt - Robbie Fowler's support for the Dockers, or Ian Wright and the Arsenal record breaking goal were chronicled memorably on their T-shirts. Common sense (ha!) should be employed on these issues.
Being honest, I'd far rather to see a lot more of the rules being implemented consistently, on and off the field, particularly off the field. :mad:
I hate it when ref doesn't give peno, waves at player to get up and then doesn't book him!
Diving is the most sickening aspect of the modern game IMO. I would even support retrospective punishments for divers caught using video evidence.
Don't agree with you on either of these. That first rule was introduced to prevent people feigning injury and seeking assistance when there was nothing wrong. It acts as a deterrent if you have to leave the field and are delayed getting back on. I think it goes back to the German team of divers lead by Klinsmann. Let's be honest - how many injuries do actually require attention ? Very few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metrostars
Is not the taking off the jersey also stupid ? Apparently it's a religious thing and the Moslems don't like it so it's banned. Why do you have to take off a jersey to celebrate ?
I'd like a rule which bans players protesting decisions - bit like the rugby. Automatic yellow card for disputing a decision.
Agree on the ball to the corner flag but not sure how you can legislate for this.
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Originally Posted by OwlsFan
isnt it obstruction
Like rugby, only let the captain talk to the ref and if someone breaks this either overturn the decision against the player or move the free 10 yards up.
Would agree with letting the injured player back by the assistant ref and stopping sheaparding the ball out of play.
Would also consider letting players being subbed back on like in GAA, where a player can come off and back on again later as if he was on the bench the whole time.
Would also like to see a propper rule about homegrown & regioanl players having to be in the team.
Far too lenient an approach. If a ref makes a decision it's made. If you disagree with it, even if you approach nicely, you should face a potential booking. When I started off reffing I was far too lenient on this and it allowed too much tension and aggro to seep into the play. I tightened up and employed a rule of "open your mouth and it's yellow" and the players shut up and focussed on the game. Generally led to more flowing games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy.McClure
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Originally Posted by Troy.McClure
In the GAA? Are you sure?. They recently brought in the blood sub, like in rugby, but not as you put it.
Anyway I wouldn't agree with it. It would turn into a case of having a free kick specialist on the bench, only to be brought on and off as required.
The whole leaving the pitch for treatment was brought in with good intentions, but it's just not working these days. It was brought in to stop feigning injury, and to keep the game flowing. But you often get a situation where a player is genuinely injured so play is stopped anyway. You're still made go through the charade of leaving the pitch, to immediatley return.
One rule change I would like to see:
In competitions where two yellows is an automatic match ban (european cup etc.) a yellow in a semi-final shouldn't count. i.e. if you go into the semi's on one yellow, another yellow shouldn't mean you miss the final.
Have to say, I agree with bookings for taking shirts off. Sorry.
Also I think players who dive and it's obvious they dive should get a straight red i.e. Chris Ronaldo :rolleyes:
And as for this "sheparding" the ball out of play??? It's OBSTRUCTION plain and simple
wasn't it changed to 3 yellow cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by noby
Subs..
I would like to see a situation were no team can make a substitution in the final 10 minutes of play unless a player is injured.
I could never understand why this isn't a punishable offence. Anywhere else on the pitch it wouldnt be acceptable.Quote:
i fuking hate when a player is sheperding the ball out for a goal kick....its more or less obstruction...if this happens for say,more than 5 seconds, it should be a free in
I suppose the ref's argument would be that he can accept that the player was brought down in the course of the tackle but not in a way that contravenes the rules of football.Quote:
I hate it when ref doesn't give peno, waves at player to get up and then doesn't book him!
If this is true (and it probably isn't) it's absolutely fcuking rediculous. With respect, i couldn't give a sh!te if Muslim's don't like it. Lots of people don't like lots of things but, much like positive discrimination, ruling someone or something out to suit a minority group is a disgrace. Don't even try giving me the anti-religious aurgument here cos if it turned out SFC or CHF fans or 'Concerned Mothers Against Naked Man Chests' were complaining that they didnt like it i'd say the exact same thing.Quote:
Is not the taking off the jersey also stupid ? Apparently it's a religious thing and the Moslems don't like it so it's banned. Why do you have to take off a jersey to celebrate ?
I wouldnt agree. I think subs are a privilige teams should have to use when they pleaseQuote:
I would like to see a situation were no team can make a substitution in the final 10 minutes of play unless a player is injured.
Don't think this would work, you'd have carnage in the semis if getting booked would have no effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by noby
As for penaltys..
Would like to see the player fouled given the responsibility to take the kick,would make it alot harder.
Fair Enough but how about no one able to make a substitution in added time unless a player is injured, as this time probably never gets made up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoo
There is a strong argument for that alright - although the molehills will inevitably be turned into mountains re the player's 'injury' though.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
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Originally Posted by Schumi
Hang on now. There's a difference between carnage and one bookable offence by a player going into the game one yellow away from suspension. I just think when it gets to that stage of a competition, the punishment outweighs the crime.
Especially if he's been hacked to the bone and stretchered off.Quote:
As for penaltys..
Would like to see the player fouled given the responsibility to take the kick,would make it alot harder.
As for subs, it's up to the ref to add on time, no matter when the substitution is made. And only subbing an injured player wouldn't work either
Whiskeynose:"Ronaldo!. Lie down and pretend you're injured. I wanna make a change"
Ronaldo:"No way boss. I have oodles of trickery left in me"
Whiskeynose;"ROY!!"
Roy:"Yes boss?"
Whiskeynose:"Sort out Ronnie for me. Don't over do it, we need him for next week"
Ronaldo:"Eek!"
It could happen
agree 100%. Should be an automatic 6 game ban for diving if you are proven to have done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolnoy Bratchny
I'd also like to see a serious clampdown on dissent- like in rugby, wire the refs up so people can hear the players. Also, a straight red card for any foul and abusive language, and an immediate yellow for any dissent. IMO refs make tougher work for themselves by going easy on this.
Also, I'd love to see a clampdown on jersey pulling- should be a straight red card. Its a cowards foul- if you want to foul someone, at least have the balls to stick your leg in!
Yes, it is true. Uefa created the rule for the Muslims. It's mad, but that's UEFA. Much easier to create rules for insignificant things like that, than create a rule where the winners of one of their European competitions have the right to defend their title, whether they finish in 5th, 15th, or bottom of their national league. That would require some thought, you see!!!!! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoo
Cheats, and time-wasters should be punished. Players who dive should receive bans, and time-wasters (e.g. corner-flag players) should have the amount of time taken to get the ball out of there included in stoppage time, just like other methods of time-wasting.
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Originally Posted by mypost
Last time I checked, down by the corner flag was still part of the playing field, so you can't punish someone for bringing the ball down there.
Dissent by players should be punished by a yellow card and foul and abusive language should be a straight red. Players have always moaned at refs as long as I can remember but it's got out of hand now. I watch my nephew playing schoolboys quite alot and some of the abuse given to the refs even at that level shocks me. It's just over twenty years since I played schoolboy soccer but we wouldn't have got away with that then. Whatever about the ref my dad was involved in the club and would have battered me for swearing on the pitch.
I played as a center forward and defenders sheperding the ball out while blocking you always ****ed me off :mad: . It's obstruction plain and simple.
Enforcement of the obstruction rule, as everyone else has said. Actually, allow old style 2 foot tackles from behind in those situations instead :D
Again, as per others, only allow the captain to talk to the ref, and moving of free's if anyone else does. Not convinced if it has to be automatic cards though.
Along with that, I would make it that you can move free kicks back if you want (similar to rugby). Often free's moved forward for disent actually leave the attacking team in a worse position in terms of getting a short - ditto free's that were very nearly pens....
I posted this in another thread but I'd like to see the 'Third Man into a Melee' rule that the GAA have but never enforce brought into soccer.
If two players are having a go at each other, it should stay between two players. The referee and linesman would have a clear view of what's happening. There's no need for the rest of the teams to run in.
Said rule isn't so much a rule as a common practice. Having reffed both codes I find that most players ignore it, not because of a lack of respect but because if there is a melee they're going to lack the mental capacity to understand the implications of their actions. That's a nice PC way of saying they're thick and they jump in anyway.
Anyway if you raise your hands/foot to an opponent or strike them in any way, even in self defence, it's red simple as that.
Have to say I understand the annoyance in relation to the shepparding the ball out of play in some cases where it is obvious the shepparding player plays the man and not the ball. However it is almost impossible to enforce the obstruction rule in a general sence in this instance under the Laws of the Game.
For example, obstruction is deemed as being a deliberate attempt to block an opponent. There is no law that states you must pass, clear or kick the ball at all times - if there was then a player who dummyies a ball in the box would have to be deemed as obstructing, as he has intentionally looked to not play the ball for his teams benefit and in the process obstructing a defender from clearing.
In the case of a ball over the top of a defender running towards his own goal-line. The defender is perfectly within his rights to follow a ball out (provided his main focus is following the ball). The defender is entitiled to slow down his run as he approches the ball as he is deemed as the closest player to the ball and in effect, 'in possession'. The forward is entitled to go around the player to intercept the ball. It is deemed the same as a player who shields a ball in the centre circle. Anyone who has ever played two touch football in training for example will understand the concept of shielding the ball without touching the ball in an attempt to stop your opponent from intercepting - that is not obstruction. There is no foul here in that instance, under the existing Laws of the Game and that implies the same to the case of defenders. The advantage the defenders have is they have the extra safetly net of allowing the ball 'in their possession' to go out of play if they cannot play it safely, just like a goalkeeper, midfielder or forward can do if he wishes
I know we are probably talking about clear cut instances of players deliberating blocking off players but just thought I'd highlight that when done properly, defenders are perfectly untiled to do this under the existing laws of the game.
p.s. I'll dig out my oul referee's journal when i get home to clarify this but it's a damn tricky situation to enforce if the defender acts or seems to act according to the rules.
I'd like to see a return of the old offside law with the inclusion of the 'if your level your on' part. The existing law is ridiculous - if your on the pitch your interfereing with play, in my eyes. :)
The GAA rule on subs is that you have a set number of subs (5 is it?) that you can bring on. Basically you have your entire panel of players to choose from, regardless of if they have been involved in the game already or not, so in "saw-ker" you have a squad of 16 - 11 on the pitch and 5 on the bench (duh!)- and you are alowed 3 subs, so if you bring off a player, he is then regarded as one of the subs, but you can then only make 2 more changes. You wouldnt have the case like in hockey where a specialest player is brought on and off all the time for a corner, free, or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by noby