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Sorry if this has been covered but Rico should be sacked after Rovers lost to the worst team in the league.
That's the logic isn't it?
I'm trying to be open minded and take the perspective of the "Murphy Out" Brigade.
Good luck to Limerick, the League Cup may be a lifeline for them.
Lyons Tea is muck!
It's amazing what you'll drink when you have a hangover.
Limerick are the second worse team in the country :D
ps shouldn't this be in the Shams forum?
It's relevent to a certain section of the City supporters.Quote:
Originally posted by joe
ps shouldn't this be in the Shams forum?
The Rovers bit is just to make a point.
**yawn**
Liam Murphy is brilliant. Cork City play great attacking football. Cork City FC are an unstoppable forward-minded club.
Yeah.
i'll allow it for the moment Peader, but I may have to move it, depending on how it develops :DQuote:
Originally posted by Peadar
It's relevent to a certain section of the City supporters.
The Rovers bit is just to make a point.
No it's not the logic. Losing to Limerick was just ANOTHER reason the fool should be sacked. I and many others have been calling for his head long before limerick. In fact, I don't even regard the limerick result as his worst- it's the cup, these things happen. Try the bohs game or the two home games v Dundalk for reasons to want Murphy out.Quote:
Originally posted by Peadar
Sorry if this has been covered but Rico should be sacked after Rovers lost to the worst team in the league.
That's the logic isn't it?
You are absolutley right Eanna. I too have been calling for his head for some time. What about throwing away valuable points by conceding last minute goals? away to Bohs, home to Bray, away to Pats etc.
Spot on Éanna. Martians would have to land on Earth before some people realise this. Wait a minute.... How big is Liam's forehead? mmmmmQuote:
Originally posted by Éanna
No it's not the logic. Losing to Limerick was just ANOTHER reason the fool should be sacked.
we need a manager who is not afraid to make a decison,murphy seems afriad to play attacking football especially at home,
he may win the odd game and score the odd goal in 7 home games but its entertaining football is wat gets the crowds out
Oh Colm, I'd forgotten about that.Quote:
Originally posted by COLM
What about throwing away valuable points by conceding last minute goals? away to Bohs, home to Bray, away to Pats etc.
You're right though, Liam Murphy told the lads to go to sleep late in the game.
You just don't get it Peadar! There is a lot higher chance of conceding late goals when you play so defensive throughout a game. Hanging onto a one goal lead from early on in the game by keeping everyone back and just hoofing the ball out of defense is an archaic tactic that Liam Murphy still believes in. It sometimes might be effective (esp. away from home), but try and convince me it's attractive.
Every time city are holding on to a one goal lead Murphy takes a striker off, goes all defensive and resorts to hoofing. When will he learn?
What about throwing away valuable points by conceding last minute goals? away to Bohs, home to Bray, away to Pats etc.
Newsflash, Murphy isn't a player anymore. The guys on the pitch must shoulder the blame for last minute goals surely. And City weren't defensive at Richmond.
dont forget the last minute goals we score ! home to roversQuote:
Originally posted by COLM
. What about throwing away valuable points by conceding last minute goals? away to Bohs, home to Bray, away to Pats etc.
Yes they must, as must the manager. Once is unlucky, twice misfortune, any more thasn that, you have to take a look at tactics and see while it is happening.Quote:
Originally posted by Johnny
Newsflash, Murphy isn't a player anymore. The guys on the pitch must shoulder the blame for last minute goals surely. And City weren't defensive at Richmond.
And we were defensive in Richmond after taking a 2-1 lead. We sat back and left them at us.
Peadar, it seems that your defending of Murphy sees no bounds. Surely you must see that we are conceding late goals. Does it not annoy you that we are leaving with one rather than 3 points? Does it not bother you that this club is going nowhere with the current set up? Okay, you will turn around now and say 'sure we scored 9 goals this weekend'. Great, we did. Against two bad teams. Can you not just be objective for once and see that some people are making sense with their opinions? Or is it just that you like annoying people with your attitude, an attitude that if we were talking politics would be described as bigoted. There are two sides to the story. One side of this story is your 'rosy in the garden' one, and the other side is what we have had to endure at the Cross for the last few weeks. If it was obvious that LM weas building a team, then Id say fair play to him, but as far as I can see he aint. Maybe he wants to buy a few players, but he cant because the board wont supply the money. Thats not his fault, thats the boards fault,. For 'being tottally reliant on gate reciepts'.
So can you not see that their is something radically wrong within Cork City Football Club. There isnt any shame in admitting it.
We've played 30+ games this season and let in a few late goals it's hardly been the undoing of us. There are times when we lose our concentration but that's something which we can work at. It's not the end of the world.Quote:
Originally posted by GWA
Peadar, it seems that your defending of Murphy sees no bounds. Surely you must see that we are conceding late goals.
I marvel at your hypocrisy suggesting that my opinion is bigoted since you do little other than retain your single Murphy is the root of all evil opinion.
I wasn't in favour of Liam Murphy being installed as manager in the first place because I felt that he was too close to the club to bring something new. Just like I felt that Pete Mahon was the wrong choice for Bohs. Liam has done some wonderful work and while he's not perfect and I don't agree with everything about his game I remember that he's the manager of one of the top teams in a tough league and no one ever said it was going to be easy. Every game brings experience to him as a manager and his young players.Quote:
Originally posted by GWA
So can you not see that their is something radically wrong within Cork City Football Club. There isn’t any shame in admitting it.
There's an awful lot about the running of the club that I don't agree with either but we could discuss that for an eternity. There's a lot wrong with every aspect of football in this country and you could make yourself depressed thinking about it.
Some people come on here regurgitating certain buzzwords in relation to Liam Murphy, like hoofing and bad tactics. Very few people have anything constructive to say about any game and rarely give detailed analysis of the way a game is played out. Until someone states valid reasons backed up with reference to example as to why Liam Murphy is such a bad manager, I'm going to continue to go against the "Murphy Out" brigade.
Wining those two games this weekend was important, I'm not going to dwell on them but don't try to discredit them in a bid to add weight to your lightweight arguments.
Don't forget to boo the players and chant "Murphy Out" at the Rovers game. They can still catch Shels if you help them win.
I dont feel any of my arguments are lightweight Peadar. My arguments are backed up by the 'performances' we have seen recently on the pitch. And NO, i dont believe LM is the root of all evil. I just feel that he as a amanger is very limited. He has done some good things for us ie sign O Grady, works a good youth system, but he has also done some very bad things. No team should be as poor as we are at home this season. 1 gaol, seven games etc. I believe the problem goes beyond Murphy.
With regs to late goals, well we have lost alot of points that way.
And for once I do agree with you that the two wins this weeken d were very important. It brought a bit of confidence back to the players. 9 goals in 2 games is a nice return.
It is true to say that there are two sides to every story, so let's look at the LM story.
[COLOR=green]FOR:[/COLOR] He did a lot of good work and turned around the team performances when DM got the boot. Excellent work with the youths, and bringing in some very good local players and giving them a chance.
[COLOR=red]AGAINST: [/COLOR] When things have started to go wrong, it is the manager who must correct them. LM has shown an inability to do this so far. Results have gotten worse, there seems to be a malaise running through the side which shows in a lack of confidence and inability to raise their game. On top of this, LM blames the pitch, supporters, referees etc.etc. He is the one who must take on the responsibilty, not make excuses and try to shift the blame.
[COLOR=blue]>>:[/COLOR] A lot of people keep saying this is a tough league, but is it? City have to compete against $hels, St. Pats, Rovers, Bohs, Derry. Longford, UCD and Bray are capable of the odd good result, while the rest are poor. Obviously we are in 4th place at the moment, but this is really 4th out of 6. LM is not to blame totally, as the directors have a big say, but while there is big talk about being first, are we, in truth, just settling for this position ?
OK, it was a freaky result in the FAI cup, but a totally depressing exit to Limerick in the LC and now trying to scrape into an InterToto cup place. This club must be bigger and better than this.
As it depends on gate receipts so much, the performances on the pitch are about more than just getting points. [COLOR=darkred]Good performances = good gates[/COLOR] . It is here that LM has to stand up and be counted, but LM is sitting not standing. If he loves the club soo much, he must either admit that things have gone awry, come up with a plan, explain it to the fans, and carry it out, or else be willing to go if he cannot do any better than he is doing now. LM is human so therefore not infallible, and it is no shame to say "I did my best, but I think it is time for a fresh approach". One way or the other, he must do something now . He has to either [COLOR=purple]get it right or go [/COLOR] . He owes it to the club to do that...........
spot on oddboy. Can't argue with any of that.
Just watching the Carlsberg Cup Semi-Final and Dundalk are 4-0 up at this stage. Bye bye Rico.
Still doesnt make Dundalk a good team. Although Shams should be ripe for the picking on Wednesday.
the "murphy out" deal may well be sealed with another home loss to shams
Murphy wont be fired, or he wont quit, win, lose or draw on Wednesday. And he may as well stay for the rest of the season now as we have pretty much nothing (or worse than nothing ie inter toto) to play for.
I'd gladly swap Rico for Gunther on Wednesday outside the Horseshoe. A change of shell jackets can be made after the game.
....who would replace gunther?
and with everyone booing murphy i doubt many would want to get the job and go through that
no way richerdsson would take it since he wants to take shams all the way with his grand plan
for the day that's in it and all :D
HEAR HEAR!Quote:
Originally posted by Neil
I'd gladly swap Rico for Gunther
Shouldn't that be Gunther for Rico ?.......:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Éanna
I'd gladly swap Rico for Gunther
HEAR HEAR!
We did play the ' Beautiful game' with Rambo in a way that Liam will never understand. How can Liam justify putting Derek up front, ala Noel O'Mahony, and then bring Neo* on in defence and leave Derek up front??????
It must be hard for the players when there does not seem to be any game plan or creative thought from the bench.However the players showed little commitment or pride this season. Again a hard thing when the comments from yhe crowd or more destructive then constructive. Even the Shed was too quiet!!!!!
*Neo: as in the Matrix : Moves at his own pace outside the time/space restraints of us mere mortals
I don't know if Rico has it in him to win a league but when he left in the middle of 94-95 season city were playing the best attcking football i've seen them in the years i've watched them.
I think he'll retire from the eL & concentrate on his coaching 'n stuff.