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19/04/2005, 4:00 PM
thecorner

new pope

white smoke is rising lads
19/04/2005, 4:08 PM
thecorner

just waiting for him to look out the window
19/04/2005, 4:11 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by thecorner

just waiting for him to look out the window

ment to be coming to the balcony at 17:30
:D
19/04/2005, 4:11 PM
Green Tribe

just heard that, white smoke for def and bells are ringing!!! can't wait, i think it will be the nigerian, braziLIAN OR MEXICAN

:D
19/04/2005, 4:16 PM
Gerrit

I couldn't care less. Vatican City is just a less dictatorian theocracy.
19/04/2005, 4:19 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by Gerrit

I couldn't care less. Vatican City is just a less dictatorian theocracy.

Ignore this post then :confused:
19/04/2005, 4:22 PM
Gerrit

You got me there... I just thought it was already known who the new guy was, and got curious. But it won't keep me from my sleep. Would be good if it would be a black guy, for the sake of a multicultural world and battle against racism.
19/04/2005, 4:30 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by Gerrit

You got me there... I just thought it was already known who the new guy was, and got curious. But it won't keep me from my sleep. Would be good if it would be a black guy, for the sake of a multicultural world and battle against racism.

Oh so you do care then.... ;)
19/04/2005, 4:42 PM
Gerrit

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Originally Posted by Eire06

Oh so you do care then.... ;)

Curiosity and caring about are worlds apart :)
19/04/2005, 4:43 PM
Green Tribe

it is ...................

spit it out!!

.....Ratzinger
19/04/2005, 4:44 PM
Green Tribe

did not expect that, would have preferred some of the others, he is quite old
19/04/2005, 4:44 PM
thecorner

cardinel ratzinger and hes white
19/04/2005, 4:45 PM
Green Tribe

benedict XVI
19/04/2005, 4:47 PM
Green Tribe

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Originally Posted by thecorner

cardinel ratzinger and hes white

really??!! :D ;) :D
19/04/2005, 4:49 PM
Green Tribe

there he is! he seems delighted, he was close to the Pope, i assume he will go along the same conservative lines as John Paul the Great
19/04/2005, 4:50 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by thecorner

cardinel ratzinger and hes white

Anyone know anything about him??
19/04/2005, 4:52 PM
thecorner

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Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

he is quite old

didnt this fella malachy say this pope would be short-lived and the next one would be black and chose the name peter and would coincide with the 2nd coming of christ
19/04/2005, 4:57 PM
Gerrit

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Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

there he is! he seems delighted, he was close to the Pope, i assume he will go along the same conservative lines as John Paul the Great

There we go again... This implies you actually agree with his opposition against abortion, condom use, no important role for women in church, etc ??

I think it would not have done harm to chose a more progressive one this time for the sake of the whole world, religious and non-religious.
But then again, the new guy hasn't made any acts yet, so let's judge on him once we have some stuff to judge him on. Everyone deserves a fair chance :)

They elected the new one quite fast. Long long ago they once debated for approx 250 days, then they were locked up without food till the new Pope was chosen, and the new guy was presented to the outside world that very same evening :D
19/04/2005, 4:58 PM
Green Tribe

don't know much but was close to previous Pope

ratzinger
19/04/2005, 5:00 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

don't know much but was close to previous Pope

heard on the radio there that he is less strict but has much the same views as Pope John Paul II
19/04/2005, 5:01 PM
town73

they said on Sky News that his new nickname among Romans would be Papa Ratzi .....
19/04/2005, 5:05 PM
�anna

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Originally Posted by Eire06

heard on the radio there that he is less strict but has much the same views as Pope John Paul II

less strict? I doubt it! The guy is about as righ-wing as they come. Proof that the RC Church (or its hierarchy at least) is aged, sexist and conservative in its outlook. And thats not even mentioning his Nazi past :rolleyes:
19/04/2005, 5:06 PM
Shae_B2D

I heard he is very conservative.

We call him Benedictus, btw, like John Paul was Yohanan Paulus.

All the bells in the churches around ring, it's quite impressive.
19/04/2005, 5:06 PM
aido_b

Its joseph ratzinger, gonna be called benedict XVI
19/04/2005, 5:07 PM
Shae_B2D

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Originally Posted by �anna

And thats not even mentioning his Nazi past :rolleyes:

What did you hear about it? I remember people here mentioning it, which makes sense in a Jewish country, but haven't really heard anything more than that.
19/04/2005, 5:12 PM
Green Tribe

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Originally Posted by �anna

less strict? I doubt it! The guy is about as righ-wing as they come. Proof that the RC Church (or its hierarchy at least) is aged, sexist and conservative in its outlook. And thats not even mentioning his Nazi past :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: , he does not have a Nazi past, his father was in policeman in the Nazi state, hardly his fault, he joined Hitler youth, but deserted German army
19/04/2005, 5:14 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by �anna

less strict? I doubt it! The guy is about as righ-wing as they come. Proof that the RC Church (or its hierarchy at least) is aged, sexist and conservative in its outlook. And thats not even mentioning his Nazi past :rolleyes:

Ya just heard different there on the 'Last Word' on about his strong views on conterception and apparantly homosexuality is evil :confused:
We'll see how he works out.. There seems to be two very different strong opinions on him
19/04/2005, 5:15 PM
Soko

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Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

:rolleyes: , he does not have a Nazi past, his father was in policeman in the Nazi state, hardly his fault, he joined Hitler youth, but deserted German army

Like there was so much free will back in Nazi Germany. I very much doubt they'd vote a fcukin nazi to be the head of the catholic church :rolleyes:
19/04/2005, 5:15 PM
Shae_B2D

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Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

:rolleyes: , he does not have a Nazi past, his father was in policeman in the Nazi state, hardly his fault, he joined Hitler youth, but deserted German army

Hmm - I'm not saying it to create an argument, just want to make sure. I'm not accusing and I don't really know anything about him, but how can "he does not have a nazi past" and "he joined Hitler youth" co-exist in the same sentence?
19/04/2005, 5:16 PM
�anna

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Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

:rolleyes: , he does not have a Nazi past, his father was in policeman in the Nazi state, hardly his fault, he joined Hitler youth, but deserted German army

That is a Nazi past- FACT! I'm not saying he IS a Nazi, but he's certainly tainted by it IMO, and from what I've read about him, his views on homosexuality etc wouldn't have been out of place there at all.
19/04/2005, 5:16 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by Shae_B2D

Hmm - I'm not saying it to create an argument, just want to make sure. I'm not accusing and I don't really know anything about him, but how can "he does not have a nazi past" and "he joined Hitler youth" co-exist in the same sentence?

he could have been forced to join for all we know...
19/04/2005, 5:16 PM
Green Tribe

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Originally Posted by Shae_B2D

Hmm - I'm not saying it to create an argument, just want to make sure. I'm not accusing and I don't really know anything about him, but how can "he does not have a nazi past" and "he joined Hitler youth" co-exist in the same sentence?

i would not have thought that as a young boy about to be brainwashed it was his choice
19/04/2005, 5:17 PM
�anna

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Originally Posted by kerr's tribe

i would not have thought that as a young boy about to be brainwashed it was his choice

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Originally Posted by Eire06

he could have been forced to join for all we know...

perfectly possible- still a Nazi past though.
19/04/2005, 5:18 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by �anna

perfectly possible- still a Nazi past though.

yep but if true not by choice, and as soon as he had a choice he left
19/04/2005, 5:18 PM
sligoman

German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the strict defender of Catholic orthodoxy for the past 23 years, was elected Pope on Tuesday despite a widespread assumption he was too old and divisive to win election.

He took the name Benedict XVI, a cardinal announced to crowds in St. Peter's Square after white smoke from the Vatican's Sistine Chapel chimney and the pealing of bells from St. Peter's Basilica announced that a new pope had been chosen.

Roman Catholic cardinals elected Ratzinger on just the second day of secret conclave to find a successor to Pope John Paul II.

Billed as the front-runner going into the conclave, Ratzinger, 78, was widely seen as a standard-bearer who would fall short of the required two-thirds majority and have to cede to a more conciliatory compromise figure.

But he sounded very much the candidate before going into the conclave on Monday, defending orthodox Catholicism and warning the other 114 cardinal electors against following godless modern trends.

"We are moving towards a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognise anything as definitive and has as its highest value one's own ego and one's own desires," he declared at a pre-conclave Mass in St. Peter's Basilica.

Ratzinger's stern leadership of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the modern successor to the Inquisition, delighted conservative Catholics but upset moderates and other Christians whose churches he described as deficient.

Born in Bavaria on April 16, 1927, Ratzinger was a leading theology professor and then archbishop of Munich before taking over the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1981.

In that office, Ratzinger disciplined Latin American "liberation theology" theologians, denounced homosexuality and gay marriage and pressured Asian priests who saw non-Christian religions as part of God's plan for humanity.

In a document in 2000, he branded other Christian churches as deficient -- shocking Anglicans, Lutherans and other Protestants in ecumenical dialogue with Rome for years.

As dean of the College of Cardinals, he presided over John Paul's funeral Mass and the daily meetings of cardinals to discuss the next papacy.

Ratzinger was the oldest cardinal to be named pope since Clement XII, who was also 78 when he became pope in 1730. He is the first German pope since Victor II (1055-1057).

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050419/325/fgolb.html
19/04/2005, 5:20 PM
Shae_B2D

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Originally Posted by Eire06

he could have been forced to join for all we know...

definitely true, but that's not a fact, and we don't have a way to know really.
I sure hope he can continue John Paul's way, who was loved by the Jewish people as well, he did so much to get people closer.
19/04/2005, 5:20 PM
�anna

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Originally Posted by Eire06

yep but if true not by choice, and as soon as he had a choice he left

fair enough. As I said, I wasn't saying he is a Nazi, but he does have a Nazi past.
19/04/2005, 5:22 PM
Eire06

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Originally Posted by �anna

fair enough. As I said, I wasn't saying he is a Nazi, but he does have a Nazi past.

I don't think that makes him 'tainted' though...

It was also compulsary for every young boy in Germany at the time to join the Hitler youth
19/04/2005, 5:22 PM
sligoman

I did'nt think he'd be elected to be honest. I mean he's 78 and, not been funny, but how long will he last?
19/04/2005, 5:31 PM
sligoman

Anyway, I dont think it's that big of a deal. You never hear of the pope that much anyway. Give it another week or two and he'll be forgotten about.

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