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Your all fecked now boy's
The best manager in the league is now signed up for the next 6 years
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http://www.shelbournefc.com/latestnews.php#169
Your all fecked now boy's
The best manager in the league is now signed up for the next 6 years
Am I alone in thinking that Fenlon is over rated? I dont think that he's bad, but how hard is it to win the league if you can go out and buy the best players season after season? Put me in charge of Chelsea and I'll give Roman the Premiership, no problems.
You do realise we didnt spend a penny or even a cent on signing most of the team we have dont you??
You also have to realise some of the players on the Shels team turned down better contracts at other clubs to sign for us.
There is also players who Shels told to F off like the likes of Fenn who asked for too much money.....
Whatever about nutsys style of play and if you like it or not he has not gone out and bought the league!!! He's a great manager so far and apart from a few games where he may have got the tactics wrong he has done all the right things.
Go take a look at the league table before Wednesday at 8:45 because its the only time that Cork will come before Shels on it.
I agree to an extent, impressive though fenlon has been there's a lot to be said for success on more limited resources. He has done well but he took over a good squad of full timers and has had huge backing to build up his squad even further. Very few pay transfer fees in the El backing means wages generally.'Best' is a very subjective thing. I could say Alan Mathews is the 'best' manager and I reckon I'd have a case, i'm sure fans of other clubs could nominate others.
Like who?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Fenlon won't have the fear of Ollie sacking him now with long term contract.
Yes, UCD are still waiting on their 20,000 euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
$hels looking good, so I wouldn't bet against it. But I hardly think you can afford to be that smug. Everyone in the league is out to stuff you, and I can say from close experience that you have some very moody and unreliable characters on that team now!Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
If things don't turn out all sugar and spice, Shels fans will be the first to savage Fenlon, contract or no.
Its the work behind the scenes Fenlon does that is also very impressive. He puts his heart and soul into it and has the determination and rive that clearly rubs off on players. The squad we have now is good, but still, I don't see us walking away with every match we play. No one in the league has done that for many many years. I still think we are very well posed to do well and regardless of people's opinions of Fenlon, I personally am delighted to have him on board. You would you rather manage you in the Eircom League and when I think of it, I'm very happy with who we have!
No, the best manager in the league is now out of a job! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Breen
Noel King still has a job teaching birds football doesn't he? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Colm
But do better contracts beat better "deals" in the eircom league?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
I see in the preview mag yesterday that Shel$ are 50/1 to win league, fai cup, league cup & setanta cup but only 30/1 to reach CL group stages.
For all their players Shel$ only barely won the league last season. City have stronger squad this time around & won't have 5-6 week doemstic break cos of toto cup.
in fairness people, fenlon proved his calibur in the cl run last year. he might have had the best team in the league but the teams achievements were still to be admired. even as a fan of another el club you couldent help but cheer them on in the final few mins against split and in lansdowne against depor. stil you get the impression that this season will be a defining one for him- hows he gonna better last year?
It's only 18 months since Shels fans were giving Fenlon serious $hit after we drew 0-0 in Tolka. Things change very quickly and a poor season could have him in trouble.
dont agree with that if anything they have a weaker squad and you still have the uefa and setanta cup. :mad:Quote:
City have stronger squad this time around & won't have 5-6 week doemstic break cos of toto cup.
:confused: :confused: :confused: city have only added players (and in positions they needed). The loss of Stephen O'Flynn is not quite that important.Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCHEY
Higgans, I think that Longfordian got what I was saying. While getting the Bohs players was a coup, $hel$ are the only club that could afford to pay all of them ontop of an already expencive payroll.
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Originally Posted by monkey magic
Was that the game where he got sent off ???
Four year deal seems a touch long doesnt it? I mean what the average life expectance of a munchin?
I dunno, but if its anything like them Ompa-loompas ... then it aint long at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
They need to start tying bricks to his feet and hanging him off the coat hangers, that might increase his life expectancy !! :eek: :p
Yeah, the third round quaifyer one, you know, further than any Irish team has even gotten in the current CL format and he guided us there, that was the one alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Fenlon proved himself last season IMO. He's an excellent manager, but I think Shels are getting a bit full of themselves. I can see it all going pear-shaped on them if one or two things don't go their way
Very true. One bad season might be too much for any club. Fenlon could be out on his ear if he screwed it all up.Quote:
It's only 18 months since Shels fans were giving Fenlon serious $hit after we drew 0-0 in Tolka. Things change very quickly and a poor season could have him in trouble.
In saying that, Fenlon is one of the best managers in the E.L. I think he is great, he brings great organisational skills, team spirit, disicpline and self belief to the side.
We had a brilliant run in europe last year. Fenlon might have been sent to the stands but thats irrelevant. It's a tall order to ask Shels to go through to the group stages on their first attempt. In Europe a lot of it is experience.
Just look at Arsenal. They have been in the group stages now for a few years. Yet most soccer commentators reckon that a good team needs to be in the group stages for 2 -3 or even 4 years to get the experience (even if they are getting a regular hammering). After that they can expect to go on and progress (providing they have the players).
Shels look stronger and more professional each year, I think it will be Fenlon who will be the first manager who brought an Irish club side into the group stages of Champions League/UEFA CUp.
Some good points made here already. Sure, Fenlon has done well, no taking that away from him. However, he has a serious advantage money wise over his rivals and that can't be ignored either. To bring up transfer fees is a red herring, it's wages that count. If anyone seriously doubts that Shelbourne are paying out bigger wages than anyone else they are deluding themselves. OK, some players may have turned them down (though not many I'd bet) but nine times out of ten Fenlon will be able to get the players he wants by waving Ollies chequebook under their nose. Much easier to win a Title that way. And I know Shels fans will point out that he still needs to blend a team, etc, etc, but give any manager a choice between Shelbournes budget and some of the rest and you know what the answer would be.
fenlon has all the names in the squad now but whether he can put together a starting 11 remains to be seen. (its still 0-0 with UCD :( ) Tinkerman Ranineri had an open cheque book but couldnt get it really working.
There are a lot of players up front for shels that will be expecting first team football. Somone will be sitting out. Other problem is whether Byrne and Glen Crow combine well up front. It might take a few games for that to work out.
*ahem* :pQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
TOP OF THE LEAGUE! :ball: :D ;)
True :(
That didnt go to plan .....
the points about Fenlon are still valid. He had a great year last year and Im not expecting him to do better this season. It would be nice to get the 8 games out of europe but Id be happy with the 2nd round this season. He will have to win the league this season and if he does that along with a cup then he will have had a better season.
Your all crazy if you think Shels have an open cheque book as Chelsea does :eek:
Where do you get your facts from? Or do you lot not deal in facts? Theres not millions in the wage difference from shels to Cork or Drogheda :confused: . We are not at the stage yet where money will buy the league. If Shels win it they will have to win it well, on the pitch.