disgusted reading yesterdays echo and the interview with lennox.. shows real lack of ambition and seems happy just to exist
could be time for him to step down if this is gonna be his attitude
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disgusted reading yesterdays echo and the interview with lennox.. shows real lack of ambition and seems happy just to exist
could be time for him to step down if this is gonna be his attitude
I can't for the life of me see how the man is showing any lack of ambition.
What do you expect him to say That he intends to win the Champions League?
He gave an honest and realistic view of how he sees things, and as he has often asked before, he needs more people with money to come on board to take City to the next level.
I know eberybody has a right to their opinion, butI just do not understand all this anti-Lennox stuff at the moment.
For a while it was anti-Dolan, now Lennox, MUST City fans always have an agenda against somebody....:rolleyes:
he seems happy for the club just to exist
he reckons improving on last season is a decent cup run
I,for one am sick sh!t of winning just the munster senior cup.
yeah sure lets be happy just to exist and win the munster senior cup every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by what biy!
time for wallace to come in
lennox has shown his lack of ambition, time to bring it to next level.
in dolan we have a manager that wants success
is obvious now we wont achieve this with lennox at the helm
Read to me like he was a man who knew the restrictions and constraints that an eL club must work under to survive, which imho is the first step to improving, ie you must first have your house in order before you consider reaching for the sky, ie walk before you run.
Who out there is going to just magically appear and take over the club if Lennox does call it a day?
so are we getting gerard houlliers magic 3 year plan or is it a real 3 year planQuote:
Originally Posted by joe
which has also turned out to be a bullsh!t storyQuote:
Originally Posted by what biy!
Never mentioned anything about a three year plan. A ball hasn't even been kicked in anger in 2005 and people are already writing off our chances of success, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
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Originally Posted by thecorner
This was always just a rumour though .... nothing solid ever came of it. We have not seen anything concrete to indicate that Wallace would even be interested.
Maybe it is not Lennox with a lack of ambition, but more of a City fans wanting to punch above their weight.
While the club is making progress, that must be a good thing.
And Wallace has plenty of concrete... he is a builder after all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
I havent seen the article but imo both Lennox and Dolan are doing an excellent job.
Exactly. We must be realistic and realise we are playing in the League of Ireland. WE have made more progress in the last 3 years under Lennox than in the previous 18 under other boards. Small steps is a good way to go about things. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
exactly. He's done a lot of work in the last few years, and has been happy to let Dolan take an enormous amount of (deserved) credit for what he has done on the pitch, while Lennox etc work away in the background. I think people who are criticising Brian have very short memories and are showing a staggering level of ingratitude to a man who has basically saved this club from going out of business and turned it around into a position to compete for top honours.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
Spot on, Eanna.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Very impressed by the article, came across as a guy with his feet firmly planted on the ground.
It needs to be run sensibly and I think Brian is doing this.
The man has ambition for the club but he isn't losing the run of himself.
Keep up the good work.
Agree that he comes across as very honest and realistic - but as an outsider looking in - I find it very strange in this wide ranging interview, that he makes absolutely no reference to your manager Pat Dolan?
He makes no reference to anyone on the playing side, except for Shane Long. The interview consists of his thoughts on his role in the club, his general overall views on the strength of the current squad, and some of the difficulties he has found in being a chairman. He wasn't asked for an evaluation on how the manager and players are performing, so why is it surprising that Dolan wasn't mentioned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy
I didn't see the article and I'm not a city fan, but the potential at City outstrips every other club in the country. However, for it to be a successful club you need to be their or thereabouts every year, no good doing it once every 5 or 6 years. If building slowly and correctly to eventually achieve this objective is the aim I wouldn't criticise the man.
Is it not the manager's job to decide if, and in what positions, new signing's are required - subject of course to finances being made available by the chairman / board?.
I read also on your official site that technical director Liam Murphy has agreed the terms of a new contract with Billy Woods - again normally the team manager does this?
I can't believe some of what I have just read.
Unreal. I was shocked when I read the story this morning. IMO Lennox is one of the best things that has ever happened to the club and the fact that he is realistic and down to earth makes me thing he is very much the man for the job.
BUT it can't be easy and is very much a drain on his time and financial resources. Maybe it is time for the fans of CCFC to show him how much we appreciate everything he has done??
Spot on. I was very impressed with what he said, it sounds ambitious yet extremely realistic and bodes well for the future of the club imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
Corner, where are you seeing the lack of ambition? I can't see it at all to be honest. Quite the opposite if anything.
Lennox merely gave his own personal view on the strength of the playing squad, he is not deciding what player is to be signed and where.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy
Dolan decides on which players he wants, Murphy deals with the details of the contracts. Nothing abnormal in that? Dolan concentrates on the bigger picture here, that of trying to get the players and team right on the pitch. It's hardly necessary for him to be discussing the euros and cents with players is it?
If you look at some of the stuff thats been posted about him on the corkcityfc forum, and some of the comment starting to appear here, it seems like there is a concerted effort by some people to attack Lennox over the last few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by niamh
There is a definite anti-Lennox agenda out there, and I would love to know what has prompted all of this.
Lennox is by far one of the best things that has happened to the club EVER! anyone that says he lacks ambition seriousy needs to take a look at what hes done since taking over..remember what the club was like under terry dunne and those other gob****es?we've moved on so much since then
I respect Lennox for what he's done but he said himself that SOMEONE ELSE will have to take the club to the next level, the problem being, who??
when i win the lotto...............
if lennox said that we're gonna be serious contenders the cup and league u'd probably still come on here b1tchin.....sayin that his aims are unrealistic,he's puttin pressure on players and fooling the fans.......therefor it "could be time for him to step down if this is gonna be his attitude"Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
Brian Lennox is the reason why City has the squad it has, and is also the reason why we are frustratingly near championships and cup titles going in to the next season. He is a realist and loves the club and the city. He has the backing and goodwill of a lot of people and I reckon in time he will leave over the club to bigger and commited financial interests but only when the time is right and he has found the right successor. I trust his judgement and I am tired of the backstabbing and spite that has been directed against him lately. :cool:
I'll tell ya somethin, when I read threads like this I can understand why some football managers and owners put their hands over their ears and scream "LA LA LA" when anyone comes anywhere near them with a web browser. No matter what you do, there's always some "expert" out there to tell you you're doing it completely wrong, and how you should be doing it.
For the record, there's a very simple way of putting it all in perspective: Think about where the club would be now if it was still in the former owner's hands.
adam
Adam I understand your point and the guy has taken us a long way, but Lennox simply doesn't have the money to take us to the level of Shels.
an improvement on last season is to have a good cup run??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Colm
IMO we deserve more than just a good cup run.
And who does have this money, and actually wants to invest in City. Its not like there are bids flying in from all angles. Also, how do people know "that Lennox cannot afford to bring City the extra step"? Is there any basis for these claims? As many have mentioned already, Lennox is nothing if not realistic. His comments merely mirrored that fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by anti dub
Yes, it would. City havent had a cup run now since 2002. However, an improvement in the league would be nice as well. Who is to say that wont happen this coming season?Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
Simple. It would be gone. Ramblers would be Corks only eL representative.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
its obvious pat dolan believes this club can be taken to higher level. but hes gonna need backing. shels go out and get 4 quality players while we are still twiddling our thumbs.
its also obvious that the chairmans ambition doesnt match that of the manager.
didnt dolan say he had a 3 year plan. if this fails, how many people will point the finger at dolan. a lot id say. but how is it his fault if there is no cash being made available.
you might say there is no cash available but when is the last time city bought a player? what about this massive sponsorship deal we got?
im only looking at the other side of the arguement. there is always 2 sides.
granted,lennox came in when times were hard but there is no place in football for sentiment.
i,for one wish he was the chairman to bring us to the next level. i just dont think thats likely
I don't know. I asked the exact same question in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary
In Saturday's Echo, Lennox said 'someone else will have to step in and take the club to the next level' in a few years. Ya, that's ambition. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary
and who would you have in there instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
After some of the signings made by Dolan, I wouldnt leave him anywhere near a cheque book. Okay, he got Doyle directly. Gamble, Kearney etc would have ended up at City anyway, no matter who was in charge. Dont bother mentioning Danny Murphy either, as he contacted City offering his services.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecorner
total contradiction gary. first of all u say u wouldnt leave him near a cheque book and then go on to name 4 great signings :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary
Yes, but as I pointed out above, AFAIK, Dolan only directly influenced one of those transfers.
Look at his other signings. Hedderman. Packer. Byrne. Yukoh. Casey. One was as bad as the next.
Anyone got the time to type this article out, or send me a scan?
adam
it's transcribed on corkcityfc.ieQuote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
Cheers Joe. Reading it, I reckon you could take the article either way depending on your outlook. The only "lack of ambition" I'd be concerned about would be the fact that he feels that soccer in Ireland is still run by hobbyists, including himself.
If you read the article having already decided that Lennox is no good for the club, as thecorner seems to believe, then I guess you're going to pick up a "local" negative vibe from it. Me, I'd be surprised if any owner or manager in Ireland didn't feel the exact same.
Personally, I believe that he's very much on the right track and needs to keep going that way if he wants Irish football to break out of this ridiculous hobbyist funk, and become a viable business interest.
adam