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"Limerick FC have announced that they have parted company manager with Stuart Taylor"
Tweeted by RTE.
Somewhere, Roddy's spidey senses are tingling.
Fenlon and Russell the front runners according to the sun
How many times do media outlets link Fenlon to jobs like these without realising the ambitions he has?
He has no interest in jobs like this, he wasn't interested in Sligo and gave Linfield the wide berth, so with the greatest respect to Limerick, he is not going there.
If Barraclough wants a quick way back, maybe he might go for it, but I think Limerick need someone more local as they appear to have lost touch with local the support base.
Then again the longer it takes to get them back to the Markets Field the harder it will get to attract more fans.
We lost touch with our support base because the team is a shambles.
What we need now is a strong Fenlonesque character to root out the deadwood and rule the club with an iron fist. Theres at least a dozen in our squad whos feet shouldnt touch the ground. Theres no one local anywhere near strong enough to do that while we re in the premier.
As to who'll get it I wouldnt want baraclough, made a bit of a ****** of Sligo by all accounts. Think we need a well respected irish coach who knows the league well and can spend the reasonably generous budget accordingly.
Just on Fenlon and his ambition, where exactly do you think his sights are set after an (arguably harsh) sacking from an spl club?? Arguably needs to go back to Ireland and start again.... Similar to another current Premier Division manager! ;)
The budget is probably not going to increase for any new manager. The opposite maybe, looking at the crowds and the continued renting of Thomond. With that reality, whoevers next might not have the ability to sweep out as much of the deadwood as the fans might want.
The Danny money and some of the Craig money is sloshing around, nice wodge in irish footballQuote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Who could you possibly have in mind LITD?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Im hoping we can prize Dermot Keely away from Rock Celtic tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Mick Cooke!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Pats fans, Ucd fan, Martin Russell any good??
Im a little underwhelmed.
He's the opposite of Russell Martin, if that helps. Why would you be underwhelmed? He'll have you playing the polar opposite of the much Taylor's been serving up. Would be interesting to see if Oji and Folan can pass the ball as well as they can defend.
Is that a rumour or is it confirmed?
Its just a sideways step from Taylor. Our defenders trying to pass the ball is what is causing us most problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Did Limerick fans genuinely think they were going to get Pat Fenlon in as manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Its a confirmed strong rumour!!
Nah im fairly reliably informed he was offered it this evening.
Im underwhelmed because im convinced the club needs a clearout and I dont know if Russell is A: strong enough to preside over said clearout and B: respected enough to attract good quality to replace the melons.
Also, for the record Folan is well able to play a bit of ball, its the defending he struggles with!
I thought we were going to get Fabio Capello.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olander
Only seen Lims twice this season but I have to say I didn't notice any defenders trying to pass the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Folan has defended very well any time I've seen him but, again, I don't see much of Limerick. Russell is a very good manager with a track record of bringing through young players (Limerick's squad, outside the imports, is pretty young from what I can see and Taylor has had to use a lot of the kids) and making the best of relatively weak squads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Did Limerick fans expect to get somebody better? Pete Mahon is the only candidate I can think of whose record is significantly better and I doubt he'd want to leave Dublin.
Besides, when has poaching Pats' assistant manager ever worked out badly for a club? :)
If Russell focuses on bringing through our current crop of youth he'll be doing so somewhere in the middle of the First Division.
We need a manager to bring a spine of a team with him, if Russell does that hooray
Where are you going to get a spine of a team from? Leahy was Russell's captain at UCD. Reckon him, Turner, Oji, Folan and Williams has the makings of a decent defence. Gaffney is a terrific talent who could do much the same job Kilduff did at UCD. In Duggan and Tracy you have a couple of very good midfielders. That's the guts of a mid-table team right there with a manager who uses the players properly. On paper, they're better players than Athlone, Drogs and UCD.
Doing that at UCD with the likes of Corry and Finn on scholarships is a lot different then doing it at any other club. Our young players are crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Leahy just tonight played his first twenty minutes for us since signing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Robbie Williams has less interest in Limerick than you do.
Gaffney at the moment is no more a Ciaran Kilduff than he is a Packie Bonner.
And Shane Tracy is crocked.
A lot of the players at UCD wouldn't be the highest-rated either but he got them playing good football (as has Callaghan too from what I've seen). The principle is the same I think - empower decent young players with some confidence and they'll exceed your expectations. There are a lot of very good young players in Cork looking for an outlet and the right manager could tempt them over. The Cork squad at the moment looks a bit oversized so there's going to be a few lads thinking they need to move on to get a chance. Do Limerick have any links with the IT there?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Going by Turners first two games they can keep em. They had something with UL but im not sure if it is still there. My problem is why bother sacking Taylor for having us mid table to go get Russell to have us mid table.
Surely Taylor was sacked because, in spite of three recent victories, you were perilously close to a relegation battle?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
I don't think we will be any further away with Russell tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Based on what, though? Limerick have a better squad than any Russell was ever involved in with UCD.
I honestly would not agree with that. From reading what you said about the spine we could have you are overestimating us tbh. There is no reason other than he is cheap that we are getting Russell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Taylor was sacked because he spunked a pretty hefty budget on rubbish and our crowds have fallen to zombie apocalypse levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Solution?? Hire a nobody whos never had to work with a budget before.
I hope im wrong but I dont really see the logic. Maybe its cos its late and we got walked on by Athlone.
I doubt it will be cheap to get him to commute three hours a day from Dublin or else move his family to Limerick (I suspect the latter). If Lims have got him, it's because the people in charge know what they're doing and they're looking to build something over the next couple of years rather than, as LITD says, spunking a heft budget on English journeymen.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
I don't mean this in a condescending way because I think Lims are a terrific club run by people who know how to run a football club and are looking to build something long-term and sustainable, but are you really in a position to be calling a proven Premier Division manager a "nobody"? Rovers were, by all accounts, seriously looking at him for the B team this year but went for Hawkins because he was already doing well within the existing structure, and Liam Buckley went out of his way to recruit him for the league champions. I would have loved to see what he could do with the First Division team and think we missed a trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I don't know much about Russell really although his son has just left us, always seemed to be trying to play football but you can do that at UCD and you won't be getting any stick if you're losing. In terms of players signing, LTID you're even more cynical than I usually, the manager is probably third on the players' list at best behind "what's the pay?" and "where do I have to train during the week?". The former is usually most important in the First.
Well if that doesnt fill us with confidence haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Youre patronising Limerick because you know nothing about the lie of the land down here.
If it is to be Russell I will support him 100% and hope it turns out to be a fantastic appointment. I am in a position to call him a nobody though because in the eyes.of the "Great Limerick Sporting Public tm" he is a nobody.
With the outlay Pat O'Sullivan has we should be on the coattails of the top four, not trying to build some kind of vague Cork City feeder club youth farm.
You would have loved to have seen what he did with your B team?? I'd love to see Limerick in Europe.
Theres absolute fortunes being spent on everything besides success. How long is long term.
I was more thinking those Russell have the contacts to get good things done (i genuinely dont know enough about the man to say whether he does or not)Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Im around Limerick long enough to know footballers are whores, jaysus theyd play for Pat Dolan if the money was right
As long as it has to be. Those plans are going to set the club up for a very long time if they're done right. I'd rather a few midtable finishes and those "everythings"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
proceeding as planned than a financially dangerous tilt at getting a few Euro fixtures.
Which "everythings" do you think I was referring to??Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
And how long do you think P O'S is going to be around to **** millions up against our not particularly pretty wall??
By your logic why bother putting anythin into the first team. Lets just sign the Oscar Traynor and bobble around the middle of the first.division.
Team stays in around where it is now then crowds stay where they are now and these long term things dont happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Just heard more from my sauces.
Everything is alright with the world.
ALL HAIL KING MARTIN!!
Haha, well that's not the spirit I meant it in. I meant that I really rate him as a coach and, as the mentality within Rovers with the B team at the moment is to build a system where we can promote from within, the B team is as much an audition for coaches to move up to the senior team as much as it is for the players. Hawkins seems to be highly rated within the club. You've also only to look at the league to see how many players who wouldn't have been superstars in schoolboy football but are nonetheless some of the success stories at the top clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Did I not admit that straight off? I might talk an awful lot of crap in here but I don't pretend to know things I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
My point about Russell has nothing to do with the opinions of the great unwashed in Limerick and everything to do with what I have observed about him as a coach, both from my own outlook and what I've been told by people who've worked with him.
Your point about being on the coattails of the top four is, frankly, unbelievable. You've been a PD team for 15 months and are disconnected from the major population centre in the country. Can you seriously say you have the budget and system to be competing with the major Dublin clubs, Cork, Dundalk, Sligo and Derry? Not a chance. Mid-table is a pretty good position for Limerick to be in right now.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Our budget not much different to those 3.
Cork and Derry have bags of young talent based in the city and Dundalk are up the road from Dublin. The same budget won't go as far in Limerick, hence why you've been bringing in folks from the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy