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Peter Hutton appointed as manager until end of the season. Marty McCann will be his assistant
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Peter Hutton appointed as manager until end of the season. Marty McCann will be his assistant
A bit of an underwhelming appointment, Hutton's record at Finn Harps was brutal.
To be fair, Hutton will be an improvement on Collins but that wouldn't be much of an achievement. All you need to do is start playing Derry's better players, remove the cringeworthy inferiority complex Collins had going and take wasters like Enda Curran and Roddy Collins jnr out of the starting eleven.
Hutton's appointment screams of trying to get supporters back onside, appointing a club legend but hopefully it works out for Derry. It really is sad to see 800 people at the Brandywell. It wasn't too long ago when I was at games in Derry where they had over 2000 people at games against Galway United and the stadium was absolutely rocking.
I'm happy enough, he will have the dressing room onside anyway, and the fans most importantly. If he can get us playing football with effort from players, the players ability should take over and we should move up the table
Well that appointment came as a shock to everyone
Yer kind of saying that if Hutton can motivate the players, his dubious tactical track record will be nullified by the players own abilities on the pitch?! Dangerous tactic, pardon the pun, to be at. Take a bit of time, with Hutton as caretaker, while sussing out a new manager rather than appointing hastily til the end of the season. Olander has nailed the motive in this id sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
My comment "If he can get us playing football" would surely fall under the tactical bracket. You would need some form of tactical ability to get players playing football, hence IF he can get us playing football the players ability will move us up the tableQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Any Derry fans who haven't seen Hutton's Finn Harps team are in for an unpleasant surprise. Awful style of football. Think this is an awful appointment by Derry, they obviously feel all hopes of achieving anything this season are gone so have gone for the local option.
After hearing Roddy was gone:
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Why did they get rid of Devine again?
Rotten run of form after the European game, resulted in us sliding down the table. People forget although we are in Europe, its because Sligo won the cup
Managers can improve yeno, and also he will have learnt from his mistakes at Harps. Also he has a better quality of player to work with at Derry.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Good choice, best of luck to the man and that fine club.
Yeah but you also said the players ability should take over and move yiz up the table. Anyhow best of luck to Pizza and Derry City, its always enjoyable to see the colour and atmosphere Derry fans bring to a game and it was being killed off hopefully that will turn around with the popular choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
A Derry fan would answer it better than me but I got the impression a lot of people thought the players did well in spite of Devine rather than because of him and he could do nothing to arrest their annual late-season tumbles. It's a shame for Derry that Kenny got sacked in his first season at Rovers rather than the second. I reckon he'd have gone back for round three if the job was available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Oi! Maybe a blank canvass, at a club where there was no expectation and a chance to rebuild some self belief was best option - the timing was perfect:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
There's plenty of expectation now :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I mean I'd say if Kenny was looking for a job and Derry wanted him back, he'd feel like he owes them for allowing him to go to Rovers, plus he must feel like he has unfinished business having brought through a lot of the current players. He certainly seems to have bought into Dundalk anyway, and living a lot closer to home is presumably another bonus for him.
If he was out of work and the Derry job was available it would have been a no brainer. I think he was daunted initially by the sheer amount of work needed to be done at Oriel on all levels, but he quickly bought in as you say to the vision of the fastfix lads and the transformation was almost instant. By all accounts he was even more down than the supporters Saturday evening - he really did care about the loss. If Derry was built on sand, Dundalk was plastic and I dont think anyone else could have done what Kenny has done - maybe Fenlon but I jsut wouldnt be sure there. If there was a time to risk a return to the Brandywell for Fenlon now might have suited to seasons end. Im sure Derry fans will scoff at this but he was the strongest available candidate.
To be fair, I'd be confused too if a bunch of lads calling themselves Fastfix tried to sell me a long-term vision so you can see why he'd be a bit daunted at first.
Ah you're just fishing for jokes now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
lol i liked the fastfix with instant transformation of loads of work oxymoron effort .... ok poor effort
Slide down the table? Finished 4th. Don't remember ye ever being top for any length of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
Anyways was just wondering. Seems strange decision after the way the Roddy fiasco has unfolded (again)
Free scoring Derry were top 2 for a good while last season and then faded final round to 4th and were nearly caught by Shams in the end
But how much of that was Devine's fault? They seemed to have a threadbare squad and with a few injuries did well to get into Europe again. Win the cup, get into Europe twice, get the boot, thats LOI for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Winning the cup was lucky. They finished 5th that year. That was a better indicator.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Devine was a poor enough manager. He got quite lucky that several local Derry lads came about at the same time but that's not really down to him IMO.
The problem wasn't getting rid of Devine, it was replacing him with Roddy
Was at the cup final which Derry won, and once the game went into extra time it was clear that the Derry players "wanted it more" than the Pats lads. Maybe this motivation/better spirit/determination etc had nothing to do with the manager and was all down to the players, but the one of the most important factor in managing any team/club is that the players believe in the guy in charge. Strange looking back if you wanted to rate the 3 managers or coaches involved in the cup final that day (include Crolly) many felt that Buckley was the most insecure in his job. I think Stuart Byrne made a good point on radio; that if Derry had beaten Shamrock R on the first day (which they probably deserved) things could have been different, you need a bit of luck now and again. Rory Paterson was a sub that day for Devine against Pats if I remember rightly. However having seen a fair bit of Enda Curran I don't think he is good enough yet, he may improve with time, to be the main striker for a team near the top of the premier division.
To be clear, they weren't lucky on the day. I'm just saying league position is a better indication of where a team is than cup results. Derry's run to the final was Finn Harps, UCD, Mervue, Shelbourne. All teams below them in the league. They were better on the day v Pats. No doubt about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
Stuey conveniently forgetting that Derry's goal came from a cross that Barry Murphy misjudged. Derry couldn't complain about luck that dayQuote:
I think Stuart Byrne made a good point on radio; that if Derry had beaten Shamrock R on the first day (which they probably deserved) things could have been different, you need a bit of luck now and again.
If Derry had won that day it would only have encouraged Roddy. They set up 15 men behind the ball and kicked it up the flanks to Stewart as their only outlet.
(insert double contracts joke here)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
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Originally Posted by Dodge
Still for a team that was in the first a few seasons ago, getting the Cup, and Europe two seasons on the bounce wasnt bad going, lucky or not Devine did do well if you say he wasnt a great manager.
Devines Derry tore Dundalk a new one in Oriel they just werent consistant with the level of performance throughout the season. Played great football that day. At the same time I agree with Dodge Devine leavng didnt lose them a lot appointing Collins did. Prior to this stint i wasnt by LoI default slagging Collins I was interested in the job he could do in a job he 'wanted' he ballsed it up. So its back to touting himself to every club where the managers job is on the line and it will be 1st div again, watch out Waterford Roddy and his investers are on the way.
People seem a bit bemused we've gone with Hutton, but who was out there to appoint? David Jeffries? Pat Fenlon?!
Unfortuantely, ambition doesn't run too high at the club right now and getting a local guy in who can get the team motivated, playing a half-decent version of football and not alienating the remaining fans would be the goal. We're not aiming for the statosphere here. I'm happy with the appointment on the basis that a) we're cutting our cloth and b) everything's a bonus after Roddy's gone. Everything.
You mean Pat Fenlon the man who won the league 5 times as a manager?? Was it the fact he only won the league cup once that put ye off??Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Or maybe the fact he was already here and failed? No?
How many games did he get though? 6? 7?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
He won 5 league titles as manager, not bad going in fairness.
He had 5 months in charge, brought in either players who were average or finished. Didnt improve us whatsoever, his style of play was brutal. Same is said of Dermot Keely's reign, and Roddy Collins reign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy
Just could not let this one slide Dodge. What part of lucky do you think rebuilding a team that just lost Lafferty, McClean, McGlynn and Zayed on a short pre season was?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
The only bit of luck Devine got in his entire time as Derry manger was getting Pats in a club final, as we all know how that game ends.
Derry's board have an awful lot to answer for. Forcing assistant managers on to manager and sacking a guy who was most certainly taking Derry in the right direction was disgraceful.
Lucky in the cup run. I didn't say they were lucky overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
However every team loses/adds players every year in this league. It's part of the job for LOI managers so I don't see that as a mitigating factor.
You can be happy with how Devine was doing if you like.
Again, I just can't let that side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
What other club have lost such talent all at one go, 3 internationals and Gareth McGlynn, who was a key player for Derry.
Despite all this, and an injury crises I've never seen the likes of while following Derry, Devine still managed to lead us to an FAI cup success. Pretty good going.
It doesn't really matter who wasn't there. How he puts his squad together is all that matters.
Under Devine Derry lost 24 of their 63 league games. If you think that's good enough. Then fair enough
Which is it wins or final league position? 4th and 5th were fair reflections, that few Derry fans would, all things considered, complain about. Course if we're talking losses, he had one in the fai cup. That's fifty percent less than pats :OQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge