So, this GAA deal with Sky - on the one hand, it exposes the sports to a potential audience of millions, but putting a third of championship games behind a paywall alienates the grass-roots supporter?
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So, this GAA deal with Sky - on the one hand, it exposes the sports to a potential audience of millions, but putting a third of championship games behind a paywall alienates the grass-roots supporter?
But, again you have to ask yourself, if these people really want to see the games they will go to them like I and many others did/do.Quote:
Originally Posted by culloty82
The package has actually increased the amount of games shown. And even during my sessions of watching matches during the summer I still couldn't see everything.
And from what I could gather TV3 were outbid.
I'm all for it. The outcry is from the usual begrudgers. And I say all as someone who despises Sky with every iota of my being.
I'd be interested in the minutiae of the deal re international rights and the like.
Yeah sure the games handed over have tended to be affected by being live on tv. The GAA while being shrewd are definitely testing it's impact as well.
As if to have an objection to the the Sky deal was someone who didn't like others having some fun, a spoil sport, a nasty person, a scrooge.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
just because a person is for FTA and against subscription televised GAA , doesn't mean they are a bunch of begrudgers.
But this is Ireland and generally they are.
The amount of people I saw on Facebook and on comments pages that couldn't give a monkeys about the GAA were up in arms. The very same gob****es who don't go to Ireland friendlies then complain that Sky have the rights.
I would prefer personally of they remained FTA as it means I could view them easily over here on my high horse. I'm also not the biggest fan of Sky. But by the same token I'm excited at the prospect of the new audiences that this could bring the games.
The Channel 7 deal is a great piece of business as well.
Or they'll go to the pub.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Less Gah on terrestrial TV, great:D
This is Ireland, that's your explanation:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
There are 14 games being exclusively covered by Sky in Ireland. Means in order to view these 14 games (which were covered by TV3?) one now has to watch via a sky sports subscription, which is a 12 month contract thing for new subscribers - EUR 50 or 60 per month, and if you already have a basic package it means an extra Eur 30 or Eur40 a month, month by month basis.
So Sky is not going to bring in a new audience in Ireland, it will gain new subscribers in Ireland without expanding the GAA viewership and without expanding the GAA coffers by anything much, well hardly enough to keep the Dubs in ice baths over a season.
In the UK, the GAA games were already on the Sky satellite menu with Premier Sports showing games a plenty for approx £10 pm, I believe Premier Sports will still continue with this.
The GAA and RTE still hold the worldwide rights, so Sky have nothing to do with that expansion and nothing to do with selling the rights to Ch7 in Australia.
So, for what exactly do you garner the enthusiasm for this Sky subscription deal and call anyone who has objections to it, a spoil sport, a mean eyed begrudger? :)
Not my explanation. Merely a taster of my opinion that was to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Whilst you live in Iceland and I in Canada we are both perfectly are aware of the Irishman's ability to come up with reasons to have a moan. No need for you to needlessly concentrate on the pointless part of the argument.
The 14 games are a mixture of games:Quote:
There are 14 games being exclusively covered by Sky in Ireland.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-video...press-release/Quote:
Originally Posted by GAA
There are times when RTÉ don't show games. So Sky are taking up slack in this regard. I think that you are overselling what we are missing out on.
There are 6 provincial championship matches across both codes. Sky are gonna get 2 of these. Again. Not that big of a problem. The minutiae of the deal isn't out but I am sure there are parts of the deal that ensure hurling is going to be broadcast on Sky. so they may get the Leinster hurling and the Munster football etc.
That's if you go with Sky Digital. and those figures aren't exact now.Quote:
Means in order to view these 14 games (which were covered by TV3?) one now has to watch via a sky sports subscription, which is a 12 month contract thing for new subscribers - EUR 50 or 60 per month, and if you already have a basic package it means an extra Eur 30 or Eur40 a month, month by month basis.
There are various ways in which to get Sky Sports, such as UPC or eVision... but you knew that.
But if you don't want to pay for it then you don't have to. And maybe you should get yer ass to Croker for Dublin's AI QF. :)
I'm sure it's expanding it by enough to warrant the sale to them.Quote:
So Sky is not going to bring in a new audience in Ireland, it will gain new subscribers in Ireland without expanding the GAA viewership and without expanding the GAA coffers by anything much, well hardly enough to keep the Dubs in ice baths over a season.
Sky have bought exclusive GB rights. Why would Premier Sports be allowed to broadcast PPV?Quote:
In the UK, the GAA games were already on the Sky satellite menu with Premier Sports showing games a plenty for approx £10 pm, I believe Premier Sports will still continue with this.
A lot of people in Britain would ordinarily have Sky Sports on their packages they will now see these sports on Saturday and Sundays in the summer when there's nothing much else on. The Irish who are interested will already be watching it no matter who have the rights.
Sky don't take punts. They will see this as an opportunity to fill a gap in their schedule. Look at what they have done with NFL over the last decade.
You can be sure that their will be a lot of cross-promotion to make sure everyone knows that it's on.
I was making an observation outside of my Sky comments that the Ch7 deal was a stroke of genius.Quote:
The GAA and RTE still hold the worldwide rights, so Sky have nothing to do with that expansion and nothing to do with selling the rights to Ch7 in Australia.
I'm garnering enthusiasm for the fact that there will be a bigger market for two of my favourite sports. Anyone who fails to see this I feel is not seeing the bigger picture (an Irish trait) and a begrudger.Quote:
So, for what exactly do you garner the enthusiasm for this Sky subscription deal and call anyone who has objections to it, a spoil sport, a mean eyed begrudger? :)
Are you being deliberately evasive?Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
The 2013 deal was shared between RTE (BBC NI) and TV3, what games not being shown by RTE, were covered by TV3.
Sky are not taking up any slack.
The 2014 deal does not add to the total of games being televised. Sky have now got the package that TV3 were bidding for, the package similar to what TV3 had in 2013.
There is no expansion in Ireland, There is in fact a retraction in the number of FTA games and no overall increase of number of games being shown on television.
Yes, Sky have the 2014 version of the TV3 package, the package that TV3 would normally get and the one they were the highest bidders for.Quote:
There are 6 provincial championship matches across both codes. Sky are gonna get 2 of these. Again. Not that big of a problem. The minutiae of the deal isn't out but I am sure there are parts of the deal that ensure hurling is going to be broadcast on Sky. so they may get the Leinster hurling and the Munster football etc.
You mean there are various way in which you can shell out Eur40 a month?Quote:
That's if you go with Sky Digital. and those figures aren't exact now.
There are various ways in which to get Sky Sports, such as UPC or eVision... but you knew that.
I feel better about it already:rolleyes:
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Lets see, if a person doesn't want to pay to watch the games, they don't have to? is that what it comes down to, cynicism?Quote:
But if you don't want to pay for it then you don't have to. And maybe you should get yer ass to Croker for Dublin's AI QF.
In 2013 Irish people could watch at no extra cost, the TV3 package of GAA games, just by dint of tolerating TV3 adverts.
In 2014 to watch the similar package, they have to pay EUR 40 -60 a month and new sat subscribers have to fork out one year.
Any you regard this as expansion, expansion of games being televised and will expand the viewership?
Did you not realise that Premier Sports already showed GAA games on subscription in the UK (ch428) and continue to have the rights to show 26 games for the next 3 years?Quote:
Sky have bought exclusive GB rights. Why would Premier Sports be allowed to broadcast PPV?
A lot of people in Britain would ordinarily have Sky Sports on their packages they will now see these sports on Saturday and Sundays in the summer when there's nothing much else on. The Irish who are interested will already be watching it no matter who have the rights.
Sky don't take punts. They will see this as an opportunity to fill a gap in their schedule. Look at what they have done with NFL over the last decade.
You can be sure that their will be a lot of cross-promotion to make sure everyone knows that it's on.
Yes, the package that Sky have bought the rights to will be shown on sky sports in the UK and yes there are hopes that those games will reach a wider audience.
A large part of the cost of this is to the Irish public who have lost free access to the TV3 package and if they have any objections about paying Eur 40-60 pm they are are regarded as thickos by jumped up, uninformed, hysterical, poncy jackeen ......in a shell suit:)
I was making sure that it was clear, that the CH7 deal had nothing to do with Sky as Sky fanboys appear to confuse Sky with Santa Claus. One cannot take anything for granted re what a skyfanboy writes.Quote:
I was making an observation outside of my Sky comments that the Ch7 deal was a stroke of genius.
TV3 were taking up slack when the GAA expanded the amount of games in the Championship and RTÉ obviously weren't gonna show everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
From my reading TV3 actually only showed 9 games. I can't actually find conclusive confirmation of that however. The GAA site is awful to search within and TV3 have disavowed all knowledge of the GAA's existence.Quote:
Sky are not taking up any slack.
I think the package is in essence different given that Sky have GB rights as well which TV3 didn't have. I don't think it's like-for-like at all.Quote:
The 2014 deal does not add to the total of games being televised. Sky have now got the package that TV3 were bidding for, the package similar to what TV3 had in 2013.
The games are being shown in Ireland. That's the first hurdle crossed.Quote:
There is no expansion in Ireland, There is in fact a retraction in the number of FTA games and no overall increase of number of games being shown on television.
Most of the games are played in Ireland. So again they are available for all to see.
Liam Ó Néill made a very good point though which was missing from my initial riposte.
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-video...v-rights-deal/Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam Ó Néill
Again I don't think the packages were like-for-like given the GB coverage that Sky brought to the table. Ad that's the nub of my tentative preference for the deal as it stands.Quote:
Yes, Sky have the 2014 version of the TV3 package, the package that TV3 would normally get and the one they were the highest bidders for.
You plucked figures from your rectum when talking about the costs involved with getting Sky Sports.Quote:
You mean there are various way in which you can shell out Eur40 a month?
I feel better about it already:rolleyes:
Hardly cynicism when I've repeatedly said that FTA v greater exposure is a no brainer.Quote:
Lets see, if a person doesn't want to pay to watch the games, they don't have to? is that what it comes down to, cynicism?
But you are making the spurious assumption that people in Ireland still watch TV with an aerial or a Saorview box. Which is painfully obvious they don't.Quote:
In 2013 Irish people could watch at no extra cost, the TV3 package of GAA games, just by dint of tolerating TV3 adverts.
In 2014 to watch the similar package, they have to pay EUR 40 -60 a month and new sat subscribers have to fork out one year.
Any you regard this as expansion, expansion of games being televised and will expand the viewership?
A majority of TV viewers in Ireland already have cable/satellite/broadband packages to view terrestrial TV as it stands. You would swear that the concept of getting in Sky Sports is alien to us.
I knew that they did previously. But as it wasn't mentioned in the press release from the GAA. I had assumed that they lost out on foot of Sky's entry. I will concede this aspect.Quote:
Did you not realise that Premier Sports already showed GAA games on subscription in the UK (ch428) and continue to have the rights to show 26 games for the next 3 years?
But given they already had the coverage and it was available in GB why would the GAA have gone with Sky as well... Maybe they thought it was better for the association per chance?
Here's Premier's press release pour vous.
http://www.premiersports.tv/gaa/gaa/
Ah an agreement of sorts.Quote:
Yes, the package that Sky have bought the rights to will be shown on sky sports in the UK and yes there are hopes that those games will reach a wider audience.
You are again living in 3 channel land with these assumptions.Quote:
A large part of the cost of this is to the Irish public who have lost free access to the TV3 package and if they have any objections about paying Eur 40-60 pm they are are regarded as thickos by jumped up, uninformed, hysterical, poncy jackeen ......in a shell suit:)
Do you honestly think that it is impossible to debate this without you resorting to pettiness?Quote:
I was making sure that it was clear, that the CH7 deal had nothing to do with Sky as Sky fanboys appear to confuse Sky with Santa Claus. One cannot take anything for granted re what a skyfanboy writes.
I'm no Sky fanboy. But I can separate my dislike for Sky from the grander scheme unlike some jumped up Farney boy.
If anything I lose out on my ease of viewing here in Canada because of this deal because I would have watched it on TV3.ie.
I now have "This Charming Man" in my head. How apt...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRP3LRcUFg
Semi Finals weekend in the League this weekend...
Will this Cork renaissance continue? Is Derry's rise in fortunes a signal of what's to come or a flash-in-the-pan? Will Mayo choke? Will we experiment now that there's silverware close?
Moving Pa Kelly to centre half back shows that the new Cork manager has shown more tactical nous in a league campaign than his incumbant did in the previous 5 years. Its the emergence of Brian Hurley though that really has Cork football excited. While we have a lot of good forwards - we haven't had anyone in the class of Stephen O'Neill, Buddentit Brogan, Gooch etc but now we have. Strong, great fielder, pace and scores from play - a serious player. Not sure if we can dominate midfield on Sunday though so might have to give way to Ta Tubs - but it should be a belter. This black card thing has turned football on its head - the league was great to watch. Mayo might shade it experience wise against Derry.
Dublin and Derry to win at the weekend.......
Thats was easy .....Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Good call. Seems like the Dublin game was a thriller.
Should I be booking my flights home for the 3rd week of September?
Seems like we just went for them and didn't let up i that second half.
An already intriguing summer has now got the potential to be better than last.
Also, GAAgo announced as a Championship sponsor. Hmmmm...
At least we'll have more detail on this "international" package soon enough.
Reports coming out that Mark McHugh has left the Donegal panel.
Looking for more details now.
Yeah... Him and two others according to rte.
Mayo hammer New York in first Championship match of 2014. Nothing much to talk about really other than to say WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY that the summer has arrived.
So GAAgo has launched...
€110 for all games. €60 for Britain.
€10 ppv (€14 for SF and F)
www.gaago.ie
In work. Boo. Must sneakily put Tyrone v Down on in the background. Sssssshhhh.
Watching the KK and Offaly game here in work. It's a joke of a game. KK are so far ahead in quality. Looking forward to Sky's HT coverage.
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?...86&part=sports
Part two
A sample to entice -
"I played cricket for years. Never once did I catch the ball one-handed at that speed. Or whilst holding a bat. In traffic. Surrounded."
"Is the GK voluntary or a punishment?"
"Just watched 5 mins of Hurling, WTF is going on there's a GK but they keep smashing it over the bar how the **** does he save that"
Saw those earlier. Some great comments. Deadly that hurling is being opened up to a wider audience now. :)
Although, that said, I do remember hurling being referenced in a pretty decent movie (some bank robbery kind of jaunt) a good few years ago and being shocked, chuffed and generally ridiculously happy about it.
NSFW/Language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEvQofZvBUA
Don't tell geysir.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
First live Championship game of the season and the abiding factor so far is that Meath are gash.
Dublin will walk the All Ireland this year .....
They don't do the favourites tag well, but one would hope so given the alternatives...
We should. Only Donegal have shown anything resembling a challenge to us. Pity we can't meet in the final.Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Favourites tag didn't hamper us last year at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
That Cork-Sligo game was tough going. Not that I really expected a classic.
Cork v Mayo
Galway v Kerry
So the first QF weekend is here. I have to say I don't like this situation with the A and B side. and the fact that the qualifiers aren't wrapped up takes a gloss off what is normally a savage QF weekend.
Qualifiers:
Meath v Armagh
I have no words as to just how bad Meath were in the Leinster Final. Of course they were playing the best team in the country and Dublin made them look bad... but Jesus, they were gash.
I expect an Armagh win here given the way they've conducted themselves so far in the qualifier series.
Monaghan v Kildare
Hard to call really. On paper Monaghan should have this one. but the disappointment of the Ulster Final will hang over them. They were really hown up. Kildare have snaked here to this point. Beating Down well and then struggling against Clare will not give us a decent indication of what they are capable of.
Monaghan in this one. But I would not be surprised if Kildare sneaked it.
Quarter-finals A:
Kerry v Galway
We keep hearing that Kerry are in flux, and whilst they do find themselves in the worst of the provinces they still made it to this stage. I think that if they were to come up against Mayo in the next round that Mayo might finally have them. But who knows...
Can't see past Kerry for this one. However there's always the potential of Galway of 98-2001 turning up and giving us the shock of the season. They won't.
I'll be a Galwegian come Sunday though.
Mayo v Cork
I can see Mayo blitzing this Cork side. Mayo never get to really show their cards until this stage. But boy, do they show them. 4-17 against Donegal last year and 3-18 against down in 2012 show what happens when they get down to business.
Mayo getting to the final is a banker for me. But they have to do it this year because no team will come back for a 4th tilt.
Mayo very lucky today .... just got over the line!
Armagh are awful filth altogether!
Hon Donegal!
The second game is a foregone conclusion I feel.
After the GAA decision today of playing the replay out of Croke Park and moving our games due to American Football - i will never give one penny to the GAA for anything again - never!
They are a joke!
Gigantic fuss over nothing at all really. You'd think Mayo/Kerry are being asked to play in Gaza from the way some people are carrying on. College football is a good money spinner, has been scheduled very far in advance, and I'm sure various delegates and officials had their chance to raise objections. Gaelic Grounds perfectly capable of hosting the semi (remember Munster Final last year?), and it'll be good for Limerick City.
Moreover, the Gaelic Grounds will probably be a sellout, considering there were just over 50K in Croke Park today (and they'll be more than that for the Gridiron on Saturday).
Spot on. There really isn't any need for a lot of the hysteria since this announcement. There's no comparison between Gaza and Limerick of course, one is an economically deprived hellhole riven by years of historic feuds while the other is part of Palestine and doesn't even have a GAA stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Ah come off it. Some of the reactions have been absolutely unbelievable. This is a decision that was made aeons ago. They were promoting the Croke Park Classic as far back as last summer!Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
My only issue with the new destination is that I can't make it to Limerick on Saturday. Should be a cracker and a bit of a change of scene anyway.
Most of the ire seems to be reserved for Dublin anyway as the cash cow and apparently we don't travel... The richness of that coming from some Kerry supporters is bizarre.
If we are to play out a draw next weekend against Donegal and for whatever reason could not play the replay and had to play in Clones there would be annoyance but it wouldn't be this big bru-ha-ha that seems to have developed.
Thing is, if Mayo and Kerry had brought 70k to Croker on Sunday last maybe they would have had a reconsideration of it back last year when they were scheduling this year.
Completely agree with you on every point here. I thought Thurles would have been a better option but ah well.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
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Anyway, the biggest travesty of the weekend was Mayo not closing that game out.
Kerry are so limited it is frightening and yet Mayo repeatedly played into their hands. All things being equal Mayo should win the match next week by at least 5.
But this is Mayo.