Mr Bigleys just been given an Irish passport. Looking good to get out with his body intact. Fair play to the Irish Government for being proactive.
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Mr Bigleys just been given an Irish passport. Looking good to get out with his body intact. Fair play to the Irish Government for being proactive.
Bigley for Ireland
hopefully this means he'll be released unharmed and can get home safely to his family. out of interest though, how does this square up with the recent citizenship referendum?
Qualifies because a Parent was born in Ireland as far as I recall and he can sing "its a long way to Tipperary"Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
The referendum will only affect those born after it has been passed by my understanding of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
You got it spot on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoo
why did they do that
he's still goin to be a foreign worker there
i cant see that changing anything, but i havent kept up to date with events
The idea is that itmight make his captors think twice, as ireland is a neutral country, and therefore sympathetic with palestine. i think.
well, even if it increases his chances of surviving by one iota its helpful.
didn't stop them kidnapping the frenchQuote:
Originally Posted by Ruairi
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Originally Posted by ccfcman
France isnt a neutral country. And it has a much longer tradition of interfering in countries of that region than even the Americans and British.
Iraqis are been kidnapped as well but its not really being reported on. Giving the man an Irish passport just might and its a small might increase his chances of survival.
I would recommend that If you need a passport, get it now because there may be a bit of a demand for them after this.
Our largest export after DELL PCs
No worse again they were against the fuppin' war!!!!!!! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
one of the news stations in england (itv news on sky) have a reporter in dublin .... one of their sudgestions is that prehaps the irish goverment could foot the bill for any ransom and also as we have issued a passport it is now the irish goverments responsiblity to ensure his release
I've got two passports. One Irish, one British. So has my Dad, my sister, my wife, and all her brothers. Have had for years. :) Our kids only have the British ones, however. I think we need to sort the little ones out with Irish ones asap by the sound of it. :(
So how well can he sing Amhrán na bhFiann ? Is he a full back or winger?
It is ironic though that some kids born in Ireland cannot get an Irish passport but the government bends over backwards to get Bigley one. If he saves his life though, it is worth it.
Plus, how did he get his head shot photo(woops, sorry) for the passport and how did he sign his name?
my thoughts exactly. just shows our government up for the insanely hypocritical vote-grabbing swines they areQuote:
Originally Posted by Metrostars
He can sing a song about a London brothel - defo Irish then.Quote:
Originally Posted by blobbyblob
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Originally Posted by Macy
Not many people know that - well spotted sir
Maybe but how can they win then? If they do nothing to try to help this man then they get slated...when they do something that might help him they get the old "vote-grabbing" line. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Maybe, just maybe, they've did it to try and save a mans life?
And not many people believe you when they tell them. Bit like most people think Dirty Old Town is about Dublin when it's actually about Salford.Quote:
Originally Posted by blobbyblob
We've had this discussion on the board before, and most people at the time knew it was about Salford. Still, we'd expect you to know, eh? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
:D PP
Have we? Don't remember, but it's one of my pet hates, so not shocked. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Anyone else not notice the sickening hypocrisy in giving this man a passport in an attempt to save his life but allowing us troops to use Shannon? :mad: Mr . Bigley is a capitalist who was makin a tidy profit from the murder his country commited on the ordinary people of Iraq
Two wrongs don't make a right! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Will the process of expediting a passport be forever known as "doing a Bigley"
:mad: There's some sh*te being knocked out on this thread coupled with the 'oh let's hope he comes back in one piece' offerings of support.
1. Whose votes are the Irish government seeking here? The Irish abroad? 'Plastics' like myself who've never obtained citizenship of another country except Ireland? The Bigleys? In case you haven't noticed, no Irish citizen living outside Ireland gets a vote...on anything!
2. What would you think of a country that WOULDN'T help the child of one of its citizens? And as someone from the DFA said yesterday to an ITV reporter, he's Irish anyway in the eyes of the Irish state, just as much as if he'd been born in Ireland prior to this year's referendum to foreign parents and moved abroad the moment he burped. He just needs to fill out a passport application like anyone else, which in this case he's litterally too tied up to do. So he has a British passport? Wasn't his father British or aren't Irish people allowed to marry foreigners. And a 'capitalist'? :rolleyes:
3. As for this referendum, I don't see there being any moratorium on applications for Irish citizenship from those born in Ireland with foreign parents. As Connor74 said on the debate we had, there should be more to nationality than where a woman's waters happened to burst.
4. Biggest export after Dell computers? It used to be people that were the Ireland's biggest export. Thanks to that not minute part of Irish history, we have the Bigley's of the world.
5. Tipperary? A London brothel? Tell me more! :)
Best man to ask about those place's Ahhh Kid is yer favourite Manchester PLC'S new multi million pound teenager, and the star of euro 2004 (so the press tell us), he know's a thing or two about those place's, and also he'll be able to tell yer which member's of staff have grand kid's. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
1) The Government are responding to pressure put on them from home (eg They weren't too keen to help until Michael D got involved) and the brother being on TV and Radio appealing for help. Also helps to spread the lie that we're neutral and weren't involved in the war.
2) To me, the whole Irish angle was a last resort. It suddenly "occured" to them that their mam was irish, and use this as a possible lead. Don't blame them to use any means possible, but lets not make this into a "plastics" debate.
3) There should also be more to nationality than it being beneficial in a certain situation.
4) Different people, different circumstances. Not every Irish abroad was left with no option but to go abroad.
5) Aye, popular with Soldiers about to depart to war apparently :)
Well I was suprised about the 'neutral' angle (or as it is termed on this side of the pond 'staunchley neutral). However, the initial pressure must have had to start somewhere - I didn't know his mother was Irish (I think I couldn't face watching an elderly woman beg for her son's life on TV) - and my point is that I can't see whose votes are to be garnered. Any Irish government would have responded in the same way (I hope).Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I dare say it was. Think I'd be pleased with a British passport if it helped me come home with my head still attached to the rest of my body. Bigley is first and foremost British which considering his father is/was British and he was born and brought up in Britain is quite understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Some people will argue that Bigley being granted this passport - which he was always entitled to - is cheapening nationality. I would argue that granting citizenship on the mere basis of someone's birth to someone unnconected with Ireland, just for the person's parents to jump the queue in gaining access to the EU is also cheapening citizenship. I still believe that people exempted from citizenship at birth will be able to acquire it after a set ammount of time if they are living in Ireland legally (whatever the government and the people term this to be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Can't remember the last time I saw someone 'just off the boat' in London. Also the cirulation of Irish newspapers in Britain is in decline, all of which are looking to expand into the 2G market. As I'm a regular down the RISSC meetings all new members I meet have been here since the mid nineties. I'm not saying there still isn't emigration (they're emigrating here from Japan and the US), but I would suggest that now there is quite a bit of work in Ireland the figures are in favour of people going the other way from BritainQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
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Originally Posted by Macy