Managers 'Hall of Fame' for Football Manager

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06/09/2004, 3:53 PM
FootballManager

Managers 'Hall of Fame' for Football Manager

Hi All,

Work is going well on the new CM game "Football Manager 2005". Currently it's in beta test mode, and the new all Ireland Cup for 2005 and the Irish league select v. National league select is implemented at both senior and U21 levels, so it's full of cool new features and looking good.

Anyway... I'm trying to implement a 'Fall of Fame' feature for League of Ireland users of the game. This would basically consist of a record of all major titles won by the managers in the game.

In order for this to work well I'll need a current hall of fame for the new 'computer managers' to be judged against.

What I need is a list of 'trophy history' of all managers that's EVER managed in the league of Ireland! (not an easy task).

Only 'Premier Division' and 'FAI Cup' wins are currently taken into account for the game so please don't post First Division wins, league cup, or Presidents Cup wins etc.

Example of what's needed:

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Pat" "Dolan" "20/09/1968" "Saint Patrick's Athletic" 2 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Dermot" "Keely" "08/03/1954" "Shelbourne" 1 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Turlough" "O'Connor" "22/07/1946" "Athlone Town" 2 0
"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Turlough" "O'Connor" "22/07/1946" "Dundalk" 2 1

The above tells me that Pat Dolan won two leagues with St. Pat's but no FAI Cups, and Keely won one title but no FAI cups.

In the case of Turlough O'Connor it separates the teams he's managed to win trophies at, two titles at Athlone, and two titles at Dundalk and an FAI Cup win. This will be combined in the finished game. I'm not even sure the ingo I've posted above is accurate, but I'm sure someone will let me know. :)

Are there ANY website where all this information is found? What would be perfect would be a year by year breakdown of league winners and the manager at the time, and the same with the FAI cup.

Or can any of you wise chaps out these post up some kind of rough hall of fame, as it will give me something to work off.

Thanks in advance.

Darren Matthews.
SI Irish FM Researcher.
06/09/2004, 4:55 PM
dcfcsteve

Hi Darren,

Wow - sounds like a big and complicated ask, but also sounds like a great addition to the game !

People will really only know the record of Manager's when they were at their own club. I therefore think it would be easier for you to get a list of all the League and cup winners first, and then ask everyone to fill in who the Managers were. If you PM me your e-mail address, I'll scan in and send to you a historical list of League and Cup Winners from the last FAI Year book (roughly 2000). Filling in the rest of the title winners since then won't be hard.

For the record, Derry City's successes have been as follows :

Premier League 1989 - Jim Mc Laughlin
FAI Cup 1989 - Jim McLaughlin

Premier League 1997 - Felix Healy

FAI Cup - 2002 - Kevin Mahon (NB : There were 2 cup finals/winners that year, due to change to Summer Soccer).

FAI Cup 1995 - Shamefully, I can't remember if it was Roy Coyle or not !! (blame the drink in the following 9 years...)
06/09/2004, 6:08 PM
Neish

FAI -CUP 1954 Patsy McGowan
1st Div Cup 2002-Jonathan Speak

And you may as well insert
1st Division 2004 Felx Healy

Ps Any Planned release date for the game yet?
06/09/2004, 9:44 PM
Martinho II

Mr Alan Matthews Longford Town maanger

FAI Cup win 2003 League Cup 2004

not sure of his dob but will get back on that
!
06/09/2004, 10:07 PM
dcfcsteve

[QUOTE=Neish]FAI -CUP 1954 Patsy McGowan

I know it's been a while since yee won anything of value down Ballybofey way, but adding an extra 20yrs of pain to the date of your only significant trophy will only make you feel worse... :o)
06/09/2004, 11:03 PM
harpskid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neish

FAI -CUP 1954 Patsy McGowan

Ah now Neish, you still hungover from that gig you were at the last night ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neish

And you may as well insert
1st Division 2004 Felx Healy

Don't be going tempting fate Neish. We need the footballing Gods on our side :rolleyes:
07/09/2004, 12:30 AM
Dr.Nightdub

St. Pats hall of fame:

1990 League Brian Kerr
1996 League Brian Kerr
1998 League Pat Dolan
1999 League Liam Buckley
2002 Hmmm..."League" Pat Dolan :rolleyes:

Beyond living memory, there were League wins in 1952, '55 and '56. Don't ask me who the manager was - e-mail the club on info@stpatsfc.com and ask them to ask Pat O'Callaghan (the current chairman's da), he's the club Stato. There are also allegations that we won the Cup in '59 and '61 but the notion of Pats ever winning the Cup is simply so far-fetched that could just be an urban myth. :o
07/09/2004, 9:28 AM
Roo69

FAI CUP 1990 & 1999 Pat Devlin
07/09/2004, 9:32 AM
Terry

League Cup 1986: manager- Tony Mannion
Galway United FAI cup winners 1991: manager- Joey Malone
First Division Champions 1993: manager- Tony Mannion
League cup 1997: manager- Dennis Clarke
07/09/2004, 9:35 AM
LFC in Exile

http://www.irishfootballonline.com/h...p?comp=Premier

This has a list of all the teams that won the league and FAI Cup by year.

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Eoin" "Hand" "**/**/****" "Limerick" 1 1

Limerick also won the League in 1960 and the FAI Cup in 1971 but I am not 100% sure who the managers were so I'll check it out first.
07/09/2004, 4:51 PM
FootballManager

Hi All,

Thanks a lot to everyone who has posted information it's been a really big help and I've finally managed to put together 'something' of a list to start off with.

While we're at it, does anyone know the records of managers like... Dermot Keely? Damien Richardson, Pat Byrne etc? These managers have won leagues and cups with multipal clubs...

Also the 5 titles in a row Shamrock Rovers side of the 80's who was manager in that period...

Cheers lads,

Darren Matthews.
SI Irish FM Researcher.
07/09/2004, 6:57 PM
dancinpants

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Hi Darren,

Wow - sounds like a big and complicated ask, but also sounds like a great addition to the game !

People will really only know the record of Manager's when they were at their own club. I therefore think it would be easier for you to get a list of all the League and cup winners first, and then ask everyone to fill in who the Managers were. If you PM me your e-mail address, I'll scan in and send to you a historical list of League and Cup Winners from the last FAI Year book (roughly 2000). Filling in the rest of the title winners since then won't be hard.

For the record, Derry City's successes have been as follows :

Premier League 1989 - Jim Mc Laughlin
FAI Cup 1989 - Jim McLaughlin

Premier League 1997 - Felix Healy

FAI Cup - 2002 - Kevin Mahon (NB : There were 2 cup finals/winners that year, due to change to Summer Soccer).

FAI Cup 1995 - Shamefully, I can't remember if it was Roy Coyle or not !! (blame the drink in the following 9 years...)

I think it was Felix managing the 95 cup winning team. And since evryone else is stickin in league cup trophies, maybe we should stick in the 5 we have in the cabinet(88-89,90-91,91-92,93-94,99-00). And since others are putting down 1st Division championships put ours down for 1986. And since Harps are putting in donkey 1st Division cups, we might aswell put down the Shield.... :rolleyes:
07/09/2004, 9:39 PM
Martinho II

[QUOTE=FootballManager]Hi All,

Thanks a lot to everyone who has posted information it's been a really big help and I've finally managed to put together 'something' of a list to start off with.

While we're at it, does anyone know the records of managers like... Dermot Keely? Damien Richardson, Pat Byrne etc? These managers have won leagues and cups with multipal clubs...

Also the 5 titles in a row Shamrock Rovers side of the 80's who was manager in that period...

Cheers lads,

Jim McLoughlin 1984-1986 3 league titles
Dermot Keely 1987 1 league title

Dermot Keely has won league titles with Shams 1987,Dundalk 1995,Shels 2000 and 2002. FAI cup 2000
Damien Richardson never won a trophy
Pat Byrne won the 1992 championship as boss with Shels

Jim McLoughlin 1989 League Championship and FAI cup with Derry City 1989
also won championship with Dundalk in 1979,1981 and 1982
08/09/2004, 6:04 PM
CuanaD

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARTINHO II

Dermot Keely has won league titles with Shams 1987,Dundalk 1995,Shels 2000 and 2002. FAI cup 2000
Damien Richardson never won a trophy
Pat Byrne won the 1992 championship as boss with Shels

Beg to differ
Damien Richardson 2 fai cups: 1997 & 1996; 1 league cup (in the 95/96 season) all with shels :ball:
08/09/2004, 6:12 PM
CuanaD

Got these from the old eL annual (99-2000 season)

Dave Barry, 15/sept/61 Cork
FAI cup: 1998
League Cup 98/99

Martin Lawlor 1st/march/58 Dublin
First Division league in 98/99 season

Liam Buckley 14/april/1960 Dublin
Premier League Champs in 1998/99 season

Ill post more later - the Irish ex-pats v Swiss game is on now!
08/09/2004, 10:37 PM
Neish

Quote:

Originally Posted by harpskid

Ah now Neish, you still hungover from that gig you were at the last night ;)

Yeah I was a tad alright, the aul brain wasn't it top gear. To correct my mistake

1974 FAI Cup Patsy McGowan :o
08/09/2004, 10:50 PM
gustavo

willy mc stay sligo rovers FAI Cup 1994 . :D
paul fielding sligo rovers FAI Cup 1983 :D
billy sinclair sligo rovers Premier Division 1977 :D :D :D
09/09/2004, 1:41 PM
FootballManager

Hi All,

Thanks again for the updates.

Just to let you know the state of play as is...

HALL OF FAME (Republic of Ireland):

NAME COMMON NAME SECOND NAME NATIONALITY D.O.B CLUB NATION TL C

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Pat" "" "Byrne" "Republic of Ireland" "15/05/1956" "597-Shelbourne F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 1 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Damien" "" "Richardson""Republic of Ireland" "02/08/1947" "597-Shelbourne F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 0 2

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Gerry" "" "Doyle" "Republic of Ireland" "1920" "597-Shelbourne F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 1 2

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Paddy" "" "Coad" "Republic of Ireland" "1912" "596-Shamrock Rovers" "Republic of Ireland" 3 2

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Turlough" "" "O'Connor" "Republic of Ireland" "22/07/1946" "587-Athlone Town" "Republic of Ireland" 2 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Turlough" "" "O'Connor" "Republic of Ireland" "22/07/1946" "592-Dundalk F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 2 1

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Roddy" "" "Collins" "Republic of Ireland" "07/08/1961" "588-Bohemian F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 1 1

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Liam" "" "Tuohy" "Republic of Ireland" "1939" "596-Shamrock Rovers" "Republic of Ireland" 0 5

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Se�n" "" "Thomas" "Republic of Ireland" "1918" "596-Shamrock Rovers" "Republic of Ireland" 1 2

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Se�n" "" "Thomas" "Republic of Ireland" "1918" "588-Bohemian F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 0 1

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Pat" "" "Fenlon" "Republic of Ireland" "15/03/1969" "597-Shelbourne F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 2 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Dermot" "" "Keely" "Republic of Ireland" "08/03/1954" "597-Shelbourne F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 2 1

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Dermot" "" "Keely" "Republic of Ireland" "08/03/1954" "596-Shamrock Rovers" "Republic of Ireland" 1 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Dermot" "" "Keely" "Republic of Ireland" "08/03/1954" "592-Dundalk F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 1 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Patsy" "" "McGowan" "Republic of Ireland" "1927" "1300918-Finn Harps" "Republic of Ireland" 0 1

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Brian" "" "Kerr" "Republic of Ireland" "03/03/1953" "599-Saint Patrick's Athletic" "Republic of Ireland" 2 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Liam" "" "Buckley" "Republic of Ireland" "14/04/1960" "599-Saint Patrick's Athletic" "Republic of Ireland" 1 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Pat" "" "Dolan" "Republic of Ireland" "20/09/1968" "599-Saint Patrick's Athletic" "Republic of Ireland" 1 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Paul" "" "Fielding" "Republic of Ireland" "1946" "598-Sligo Rovers" "Republic of Ireland" 0 1

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Pat" "" "Devlin" "Republic of Ireland" "23/04/1953" "1300916-Bray Wanderers A.F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 0 2

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Joey" "" "Malone" "Republic of Ireland" "22/01/1958" "593-Galway United" "Republic of Ireland" 0 1

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Eoin" "" "Hand" "Republic of Ireland" "1955" "129380-Limerick F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 1 1

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Sonny" "" "Price" "Republic of Ireland" "1925" "129380-Limerick F.C." "Republic of Ireland" 1 0

"DOMESTIC_MANAGER_RECORD" "Dave" "" "Barry" "Republic of Ireland" "15/09/1961" "xxxx-Cork City" "Republic of Ireland" 0 1

Remember: It�s only for managers born in the Republic, so Jim McLaughlin, Felix Healy etc are not included. Also, it�s only for Premier Division wins and FAI Cups wins� and for any Euro Cups� but no Irish Manager has won one as far as I know.

Cheers again for the help.

Darren Matthews.
SI Irish FM Researcher.
09/09/2004, 1:49 PM
Longfordian

Alan Mathews 27/6/1964 Rep Of Ireland 1 FAI Cup with Longford Town 2003
09/09/2004, 3:28 PM
dancinpants

Quote:

Originally Posted by FootballManager

Remember: It�s only for managers born in the Republic, so Jim McLaughlin, Felix Healy etc are not included. Also, it�s only for Premier Division wins and FAI Cups wins� and for any Euro Cups� but no Irish Manager has won one as far as I know.

Cheers again for the help.

Darren Matthews.
SI Irish FM Researcher.

Are you being ****ing serious!!!! :mad:
09/09/2004, 3:52 PM
Thirsty Hoop

Jim McLaughlin is the most successful manager in Irish football history, you have to include him!!! Between 1984 and 1989 he won 4 league titles and 3 FAI cup's!!
From a Rovers point of view, you left out John Giles (born 06.11.1940 - I checked that with google. Honestly, I didn't know it off by heart!) who won one FAI Cup (1977) but no leagues in his reign as manager of Shamrock Rovers from 1977 - 1983.
You also left out Ray Tracey (even google doesn't know when he was born), who won one league title with Rovers in 1994. He managed Rovers from 1991 - 1996.
Aside from that, you've got everyone from the 1950s onwards. We won major trophies under Coad, Thomas, Tuohy, Giles, McLaughlin, Keely and Tracey. Prior to that, Jimmy Dunne won us (I think) two FAI Cup's in the 40s. I don't know if anyone even knows who the managers were before that!
Seriously though, stick in McLaughlin. All his trophies were won in the Republic and he is widely acknowledged as the best LoI manager ever.
09/09/2004, 5:30 PM
Slash/ED

Lads I would say it's simply a case of the Northern Ireland researcher will be the one to include Jim McLaughlin, they surley can't not include him.
09/09/2004, 10:35 PM
FootballManager

Quote:

Originally Posted by dancinpants

Are you being ****ing serious!!!! :mad:

Yep I am.

But don't panic... the lad from up North how is working on the N.Irish league will have all the details of these guys OK? No one will be left out, and all their League of Ireland records will be stored.

Cheers,

Darren.
10/09/2004, 10:22 AM
Breifne

Roddy Collins - Dublin City
Premier Division & FAI Cup Double 2005!!!

One can live in hope can't we
10/09/2004, 11:08 AM
Dick Long

Keely won the Cup as Rovers manager in 87 (double) so that should read 1 1, no?

Pat Byrne won a League 92 and a Cup 93 with Shels - 1 1

If you're only counting Premier titles and FAI Cup wins,
the trophies below would be the only ones the following would have:

Theo Dunne was UCD's manager for their Cup win in 84
Tommy Jackson managed Waterford to the Cup in 80
Pat Devlin has won 2 Cups with Bray 90+99
11/09/2004, 10:18 AM
Thirsty Hoop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Long

Keely won the Cup as Rovers manager in 87 (double) so that should read 1 1, no?

Good spot.