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I am surprised nobody has mention this yet, indeed I am surprised I never though of it earlier, but surely he is the man for the job, he got a team to last 8? of the world cup, a team of pretty average players in fact.
He is on the dole, Trap has lost the dressing room, surely it is time to ask him back?
Let's face it he could not have done any worse that Trap and he actually had a go in the world cup and he only lost one player, not half the team.
Can we have a poll on this?
Nevermind Mick, bring back John Giles!!
Christ almighty.
When did he get us to the quarters of a World Cup? I must have been in a coma.
That aside, I'd have him back for 2014 campaign only initially as mentioned in plenty of threads. Low risk, high reward potential. Good man-management, communication, knowledge of our talent pool and understanding of our national psyche.
Though I didn't think it needed its own thread.
http://foot.ie/threads/168138-Should...=1#post1607326
Don't be daft, he is almost as old as Trap, he has probably forgotten what a football looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by JGKyne
Mick has been playing modern Premiership football and doing a good job of it.
But what if he brings in Dunphy as assistant??Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I always thought Tricky Colour was like a Pineapple Stu type poster haha, seems he changed in my hiatus from foot.ie, funny though, loves an aul new thread.
I'd love him back and feel if Trap was to leave, he would be our next manager.
#bringbackmick
Perhaps bring him in as a Mentor for Trap? Could see that dream team reaping rewards.
A Tricky-Trap combo' ?
:eek:
Actually what we should do it is keep Trap to get us to qualify the then dump him and let Mick take over for
the finals.
Best of both worlds.
That's what I would do if I were Director of Irish football. (dependant on salary).
Mick didnt get any nibbles at a decent club job?
Forget the manager, he's not the problem. The problem is that we just aren't producing enough quality players these days. Back in '94, we had a midfield of Roy Keane, John Sheridan, and Andy Townsend. Now, I'm a big Keith Andrews fan and think he was far and away our best player at the Euros, but he wouldn't have come close to even being in the squad back then.
Give the Trap bashing a rest lads. We have a crap team and he was a good enough manager to get us into the tournament, one of the greatest ever sporting achievements in history considering the poor set of players he has to pick from.
Wait another ten years, we'll have another Damien Duff, Paul McGrath, or Roy Keane come along and things will be on the upswing again.
TC, are you trying to annoy people deliberately at this stage FFS?
Are we crap though or has the standard of world football moved on?
We have less players playing in the top flight I think? Because of more foreign players?
Back in those day you had Ossie Ardiles and one other foreign player, now the place is full of them.
Anyway, back in 2002 we had:-
Given, Gary Kelly (Quinn 55), Staunton (Cunningham 50), Breen, Harte (Connolly 82), Finnan, Kinsella, Holland, Kilbane, Duff, Keane.
Is that a better team? Gary Breen? Ian Harte? Holland? a world beater?
It has to be said I think that Mick did a good job at the finals but was not so good at qualifying.
I am not trying to annoy people, just putting forward a reasonable idea.
If you can attack my post fair enough, I can dealt with that, but if you just attack me well it look like you can't fault my reasoning, doesn't it?
If you are annoyed by a well reason argument the problem is with you, not me.
I remember at the time the press saying to Mick, "Are you worried about the strength of the opposition"?
Micks reply was "Well it is more of a case of them who should be worried about us"
he went and had a go and gave the opposition something to think about, the only thing the opposition
had to think about this time was how to find a way round or through the bus we parked in front of goal.
Mick McCarthy had Roy Keane in his team. He's possibly our greatest player ever and certainly our best player since Paul McGrath. Trap doesn't have Roy Keane in his prime, he has Keith Andrews and Glenn Whelan.
Roy never played in the finals though.
Could have gone all the way if he was, but I am not sure he was 100% fit.
Mick had Kinsella and Holland no better than our centre mid really.
Stanton and Breen V Dunne and Sledge?
Kilbane and Finnan V Duff and McGeady?
Keane and Duff V Keane and Doyle
Not a great deal in it, but they managed a draw with Germany (best side in Europe) and Spain.
We were incredibly lucky to get a draw against both Germany and Spain. Duff was damn near player of the tournament and Robbie Keane was in his prime. Keane and Duff 2002 vs. Keane and Doyle 2012? Not even close. That's like comparing two of the best players in the Premiership and one mid-level player in an American Sunday league and a decent Championship striker. Oh wait.
We also had a few not so good players, and overall a bit better team but also we never lost a match and had a +3 goal
difference against as what, -8 in 2012, that's an eleven goal difference.
I still fancy we would have done better with Mick.
Also Trap got a lucky play-off draw.
Can someone close this thread please?
Yes but he would play stephen fcekin "i really shouldn't be here"* ward as left back, seriously on that alone i would not pick him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
*double meaning, his positional sense and his being an international - quoting the priest in the brendan grace episode of father ted.
We were not lucky against Germany and Spain. We took the game to them and dominated for large amounts. Our equalisers were fully deserved on both occasions.
Mick mcCarthy as manager with Roy Keane as his motivation assistant !
A while as an assistant would do Roys humility a power of good.
Roy could even take over after serving his apprenticeship !
Go on ! you know it makes sense !
We were actually unlucky against Spain. Missed penalty and dominated extra-time. I think some Trappistas find it hard to believe that we are even capable of competing against anyone above the level of Armenia and Estonia without erecting barricades and throwing bodies in the way of enemey fire. Some anthropologist / cultural historian might surmise that our faith in Trapp has something to do with the collapse of national self-belief and the demise of the Celtic Tiger etc....It certainly cannot be explained in footballing terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
Yes, we bossed those games against Germany and Spain, albeit we had to take the initiative having gone 1-0 down early in both matches. Which sort of demonstrates the gulf, if not in class then in attitude between the team of 10 years ago and today's.
We played great gainst Germany and Spain in 02, but neither was the side they are now. Both have moved on in leaps and bounds. Germany were only at the start of a rebuilding programme and were amazed themselves they did so well in that tournament.
We were unlucky but I think Niall Quinn was a major factor in extra time and the Spanish were never able to deal with his aerial presence. That actually caused Hierro to give away the second penalty. I personally think it's a bit of a misnomer to think we were playing pretty short passes and beating Spain that way (although they couldnt cope with Duff as well), when it was having a massive target man that essentially allowed us to really pressurize them at the back. I admire Mick for throwing Quinn on, but to be fair to Trap he doesnt really have that option, the only target man we have is perhaps Walters, but he doesnt have the frame and presence of Quinn, and I think, by and large Trap has brought him on at appropriate times. Admittedly I would like to have seen Walters at earlier stages of the Croatia games (and possibly starting instead of Keane against Spain) but Trap is a cautious coach so tends to leave such changes until late in the game.
Go back and watch the games. I have, many times. We should have been down 2-0 to the Spaniards ten minutes in if not for a blown offside call. The Germans dominated us for the first two-thirds of the match and should have been up by four if not for some incredible saves and poor finishing. Yes, we took the games to the opposition, but we did the same against Italy this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
Actually having watched the bit of the matches which featured Long I feel a bit more positive about our performance.
However that didn't include the Spain game which casts a cloud over things.
Just worth mentioning that Long never play in that game at all.
See links for full match highlights for both games of the spain and germany games.....I most certainly do not think we were lucky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQX7l...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qq1MQMkbms
Go to the thirty-nine minute mark of the Spanish match. 44:45 mark of the video itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net