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25 min in, the two if them f****d up just inside City's half and lost possession.
A few seconds later, Shels have the ball at halfway on left, Kearney changes direction and charges full force into George. Didn't look accidental to me.
Further words were exchanged between them.. :confused: :confused:
Less obvious later, but after the goal there was a lot of finger pointing between Danny, Colin and others - we haven't seen much of that with this team before.
I didnt see any of this!Quote:
Originally Posted by SSS
I watched it on video when I got home.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamcarr
About 25 min in at the top of the screen.
And I'm not the only one who thinks it wasn't accidental.
ol doll spotted this at the time and i didnt believe her but have looked at it on video and tis true
Yep, Kearney was looking straight ahead when he ran into O'Callaghan. After the game, parents of one of the squad said that morale was low in the team at the mo.
kearney sprinted into him, also devine and murphy didnt seem to be gettin on
well either(disagreeing about wheater balls should be played long or short)
i av never seen this in a city side before, things must be really bad. maybe the europe dream is still on their mindsQuote:
Originally Posted by tippman
Didn't see the game on TV, but I think this thread is bullsh*t.
Danny, Murray, Georgie were out at the u-21 game last Sunday, having a laugh and chat amongst themselves.
Hardly think that shows trouble in the camp......:rolleyes:
Maybe you should have a look at the tape before passing judgement....Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
Er, once again Patsh is right, this is a bull thread. The only aspect of it worth exploring is the old thorny question as to why our great hero Murphy is reluctant to pass to Kearney and prefers to hit a (missed) killer pass to Doyle's head every time. Has the wee man got a thing against tiny people? Kearney clearly has a preference for taking a pass to his feet, and this is usually signalled by his pullling away to the touchline, opening both arms as a gesture. Naw, our cockney rebel aims for the centre forwards head every time. Its grim to watch, but must be invisible to the City bench. Unless of course its authorised - how grim a thought is that?
Whilst the incident happened and can be clearly seen on the tv replays, I wouldn't make too big a deal of it. These sort of things happen all the time in the heat of a game. Don't think there is a ongoing morale problem within the club. If, and I know its a huge if, we'd won last night this thread wouldn't exist. Get over it and move on.
As for Dan Murray's performances he was great in the European games but generally this season has been well below his best. Hoofing the ball all over the place. Just the kind of thing lots of people were slaughtering Deccie for ! ;)
well thats exactly the way pat dolan used to play for arsenalQuote:
Originally Posted by Schunter Netz
Welcome patsh, another person who disses a thread because he disagrees with it instead of putting up a worthwhile counter agrument. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
The three lads you mentioned by way of evidence of a happy camp were not implied to have had issues with eachother anywhere in this thread. George v Kearney, Dan v Devine, Danny v Devine, Colin T v Danny (for the goal) are the pointers (plus the comment from a parent)...
And Yiddo, maybe we would have won if the team were playing for eachother instead of giving eachother grief. The incident did happen and I can't recall seeing two City players intentionally hop off eachother midway through the first half before.
And Schunter Netz, why is it bull? This thread started out pointing out one very uncharacteristic confrontation between two City players on the field of play - I does not augure well if our players are able to assault eachother better than they tackle the opposition :confused:
And by the way, George wasn't doing so bad before that incident either.
some people are suckers for punishment
going home to watch that game again
1. I again say this thread is complete bullsh*t.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSS
2. I can "diss" what ever I want, it's called an opinion.
3. Your so-called "argument" consists of ONE incident in a game that is going very badly for us. From this you extrapolate that there is a problem, and others enlarge that into a "morale problem".
4. "worthwhile counter agrument" can be "put up" when a sensible, worthwhile and realistic point is made in the first place.
I saw it happen on the field....George always gives Kearney abuse. He is easy pickings for geroge who is always abusing the younger players...two of them were playing poor so i think liam just lost it. He could have done worst imo. So we are lucky he was not sent off for clocking his own player. Imagine what would have happened then!!
I think it was a wake up call for George. He needs to encourage the younger players instead of abusing them. Maybe his own game will improve then..
i know a few of the players and personally think they are getting "too big for their boots" and need a kick up the ass, maybe this game was the kick in the ass they needed ? you can see from the performances the guys who let all the european success go to their heads.
I saw the george and kearney incident at the game..happened right in front of me...george got thick with kearney for losing the ball and getting in his way ..kearney ran at and in to him and they had words...nothing major though...see it alot at matches..also murphy and devine arguing was healthy as it keeps both on their toes....it isn't a morale thing deffo
I saw the incident as well happened right in front of the Derrynane side....
Looked fairly aggressive IMO the boys definitely weren't on speaking terms after the game....
Overall on Saturday I think we lacked passion and fight to win badly enough. There was a lot of infighting which didn't help at all. I think this game has shown how professional $h€l$ really are... Get the goal and stick to the physical side of the game excellent execution of a game plan. We on the other hand didn't have our best striking partnership on the pitch and I think we lacked the will to win...
Don't know about morale in the side, I think they needed to come down off the pedistal a bit and hopefully this lose will stand to them and they will be back to playing as a TEAM like they did in Europe....
did george react?i didnt see the tape or notice the incident on the day :confused: :confused: :confused:
George and kearney got in each others way and lost the ball...george had words with kearney about it( in fairness both of them were equally at fault for losing the ball) Kearney then ran at george as he was turning away and ran straight into him....they both then had words again..meanwhile danny murphy proceeded to mouth of to devine.....obviously kearney and george hjad a barney and a bit of a problem with each other but I don't think its a morale thing just kearney not gonna take georges guff and vice versa... it was weird though...in fairness it waa the only thing both of them connected with all day
Gawd, that is a bit harsh!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
1. Heard ya the first time and should have ignored it, but there you go..Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
2. OK, you are. But dissing a fact-based post is a bit hard to understand.
3. No extrapolation in my point at all, I highlighted a specific incident (with video evidence to back it up - it's fact, not an opinion) and referred to some other general mouthing off on the day. There was no opinion involved, just imparting information to people who were not there and who might be interested. Suggesting that this is bullsh*t is like saying a descriptions of the Shels goal or Benno's shot-off-the-line are bullsh*t.
4 - your understanding of what is "sensible, worthwhile and realistic" does not extend to the imparting of facts then..
even if kearny did intentionally run into george in spite, and some of the players were shouting at each other... you do realise this is a pretty intense game? you've never heard dan murray mouthing off at the players around him? he was made the captain for a reason.
maybe some of the players got wound up in an important game. but is it a club wide crisis of moral? no
these things happen. it would be worse if none of them gave a damn. I remember seeing gareth cronin and dave hill bawling each other out and hilly went for gaz after it a few years back, and it lasted a few hours and they were mates again. it happens.
It's just a pity that the most physical effort made by City was between two of their own. :(
As for the possibility that it exposes a deeper problem - on it's own of course it doesn't, although the comment about a statement made by a player's relative would be a slight concern.
This is complete mountains out of molehills.
Anyone who has played any type of sport ( except, maybe "Dressage" :D - Olympics getting to my head ) has had barneys during games with team mates. Its part of motivating one another - look at Keanno, Ince, Cantonna, Wise, the entire Wimbledon team of the 80's etc. They tore strips off one another or their teammates but it was done to keep people sharp.
Even at junior level we have all walked off pitches or courts fuming with teammates at some stage ( and them with us ) but you know what in most cases it was all OK soon after the first pint!!!!!!! ;)
spot on!!happens on the training ground every week where ever you go too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Counting Crow
Even more bullsh*t.....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SSS
You commented on a minor incident and implied there was a deeper meaning to it.
Thats the kind of bullsh*t that tabloids carry on with.
Lads, give it a rest, will ye?Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
Don't read if you don't want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fair_play_boy
Haven't seen any of these incidents on tape yet but IMO you can't say trouble in the squad cos of 1 match. You coudl however suggest that team fell apart on the field arguing & such but doesn;t mean they bring in to next game or training with them.
No good to see but hopefully just poor reaction by a losing team.
I'd agree with your point regarding it affecting the performance on the day - you need everything going right to beat Shels and this can't have helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
I too hope it blows over, but this stuff happened before City went behind and were in fact doing OK.
Eanna mentioning Gareth Cronin above reminded me of a barney between Gaz and Biscuits a few years ago. They were pushing and shoving each other and Philip Long was the peacemaker. They were at it verbally for the rest of the game with Longie keeping them apart and telling each of them not to take any notice of the other :D .
This topic has been blown out of all proportion. I know Georgie well enough and him and Kearney are very good friend and WERE on speaking terms after the match.
George does not abuse the younger players, but if they **** up he lets them know! Whats wrong with that?
Morale is definately not low, they are all dissapointed with the result against shels but looking to take 3 points against Dublin City tomorrow night. Dolan does not take kindly to bad feeling of any sorts so if there was bad feeling I can guarntee it was sorted out quickly.