Listening to the match on 5Live.
Liam Miller came on for the last 20 mins and played very well his cross shot was deflected for the winner.
O'shea had a good second half inthe center of midfield.
Keane had a quiet game at center back.
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Listening to the match on 5Live.
Liam Miller came on for the last 20 mins and played very well his cross shot was deflected for the winner.
O'shea had a good second half inthe center of midfield.
Keane had a quiet game at center back.
Did anyone watch the match on TV3 instead of the $hel$ game?
GOD NO!! anyone who did does not deserve to be Irish! I support united but obviously CCFC primarily!!!! we have to support our own, even $hel$!!!! :p
some of us supported our own : P
but i did flick over now and again. O Shea and Miller played well !
I saw some of the first half at the bookies, I'm taping the highlights
now on ITV (UK).
I taped it on TV3 and just watched it in full.
Keane gave a few free kicks away at the back but is definitely a safer centre half than O'Shea. Sivestre also plays better with a leader beside him.
O'Shea had a very good game. He always seems to be low in confidence at the back but he looked very confident playing in midfield. Djemba played the holding role and O'Shea suprisingly made a lot of forward runs and should have scored on a couple of occasions. He completely outshone Djemba in midfield.
Miller played the last 20-25 minutes and set up the second goal with a low cross from the right. He also set Giggs up for a chance which you would have expected him to finish. Miller always wanted the ball and wasn't afraid to run at the defence. All Miller's best performances have come from the right of midfield.
Also, Andy Reid had an superb game tonight and Connolly missed a penalty.
O Shea had a good game, had a hand in the first goal and set up a nice
chance for Scholes, made some good passes, especially when he didn't
have time to think!
Keane played well but was left exposed to two attackers in the build up
to the first goal, when Man U lost possession on the right, no way could
he stop a cross coming in. He also made what looked like a sloppy header
but I think he was expecting Silvester to pick it up.
Miller looked to have good control and he fired in a cross across the
front to the goal mouth which would be a nightmare for any defender
to deal with, the defender did the job of the attacker he imagined
was there!!
Of course this raises the possibility of O'Shea and Keane swopping
roles for Ireland, something for Kerr to consider I would imagine.
Congratulations to Shelbourne on their 0-0 draw, if they can get an
away goal they will be in with a chance.
Yea, Reid had a great game for Forest, hit the crossbar from 18 yards,
some good crosses, won several fouls and had another 18 yarder
tipped over by the keeper.
I must confess to have been at the game and missed the real Reds v Depor. a long arranged business trip meant I missed the game at Lansdowne.
O'Shea was brilliant - ran midfield - very assured. Miller did very well when he came on and forced the own goal for the winner. Keane did ok but doesn't look like a centre half.
Manyoo brought less than 500 fans to Bucharest (if you don't count the 50-100 that came from Croatia and Bulgaria). No doubt they were well supported from sofas and barstools in Milton Keynes, Dublin etc. I think we'd bring ten times that for a world cup qualifier/EC game.
We brought 508 to Nantes FFS :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
O'Shea was outstanding in midfield, best I have ever seen him play. His physical presence there was immence, it was a performace as good as anything you will see from Keane or Vieira.
Have to say also that Miller was mighty impressive when he came on, Keane had a quite game but looked OK at centre back.
I think Keane and O'Shea in the centre of our midfield would be a hell of a force to be reckoned with, even for Vieira and Makelele.
You're off your head!Quote:
Originally Posted by carnstien
One average performance against a poor team and you get all excited.
So many Man Yoo fans can't be objective about football.
What the hell was the keeper doing for Giggs' goal?
Some of the "football" last night was comical.
If we had two own goals like that in an eL game everyone would be out saying how shíte the league was.
Get back in your box there for a while boy.
We're not about to uproot proven mid-field players to accommodate someone who has never shown for his country.
I suspect Alex Funguson has got to him.
Wont be long before he does a Scholes and turns his back on his country.
How do you expect United fans, with the very few Euro away games they have every season, to compete with the Best Fans In The World who combine the Ireland Away games with their week in week out support of football?Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Bit gutted i missed football last night. No way of watching Shels (fantastic achievement) and commitments meant i couldn't watch the united game either. Would like to have seen O'Shea's performance by all accounts here. Can anyone really see this continue though when United's injured return? Van Nistelrooy, Rio, Ronaldo, and unfortunately probably Heinze will all get back in the team when they return. In Midfield Miller and O'Shea will be down the pecking order of Keane, Fletcher, Scholes, Ronaldo and Giggs.
btw, meant to add, United were only allocated 500 tickets, but asked for 2000.
Are you sure about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
See here
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Originally Posted by Peadar
Peadar, yoru point, was well made untuil the end bit, that says i suspect that alex ferguson has got to him. It is blantanly obvious from your post that you are anti Man utd. This only takes away from any good points you have made earlier in your post. I really hate the way people let their club allegiances influence their opinion on the national team. I support Bohs and spurs in england but if stevie finnnan was playing better than carr, i would always say finnan should get the nod (of course now carr is goine to newcastle.) but you get my point. Look there are people out there that jumped on the bandwagon and support Man Utd because they are successful but the same happened in the 80s with liverpool. In addition there are a lot of Man Utd supporter that are the most informed people I have come across and who suffered for 26 years without a league title. Not all of them are Roy Keane lovers and Mick Mc Carthy Haters. Secondly there is no evidence to suggest that Ferguson is trying to stop O Shea playing for Ireland, or that he tried to stop Scholes playing for England. WHat u are doing is painting a caricature of Ferguson, without supporting it with facts. Finally i do agree, it is crazy to suggest that O shea should now play in midfield for Ireland because of one game. It does hint at that maybe Ferguson recognises the fact that O sheas strongest point is going forward and not always defending. But for the moment I think he is teh best left back we have. What Utd do and what we do are two different things. Plus I dont think Keane will be playing centre half for Utd on a regular basis either.
In a final note, fair play to shels,was at the game last night, and I must say Wes Houlihan would do a job in the Irish squad.
No, if a team plays good football I respect them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I just can't abide Alex Funguson.
Sorry, Sir Alex Funguson.
Why, Man Utd have played great football since the Premiership has begun they have never resorted to negative tactics, like maybe liverpool have. Although not a Man Utd fan, one has to respect the achievement of 7 championships in ten years. Ferguson has always had a strong irish influence at the club, cant say Wenger has or Houlllier. Ferguson is a winnner, and winners get up the noses of people, because of the fact that they win.
United were originally only offered 750 tickets having asked for 2,000. Then the game was moved from Dinamo's stadium (15,000 capacity) to the national stadium and United had a large section mainly empty. I know because once the draw was made I began searching for a ticket- wasn't looking good until the game was moved. I had a home ticket but these were in short supply in the day and some riots on tv re tickets but foreigners could buy a ticket in the away end no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Full house, great atmosphere, all the steps full as well but I'd still rather have seen the Real reds at Lansdowne.
Still hard to blame the United fans for staying at home as there wasn't a prawn sandwich to be had and the home fans never stopped chanting and singing and wouldn't sit in silence like other theatres. :D :D
We only brought 3,000 in 97 but we were poor in that campaign. - remember Roy Keane as sweeper at home to Iceland and Garry Kelly up front in Bucharest.
I honestly think that Ferguson knows O'Shea is no longer his first choice at left-full hence trying him at centre-half on Sunday and at mid-field last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
He's merely seeing if O'Shea could be any use anywhere else.
The fact that he has essentially replaced him at left-full shows that Ferguson doesn't think O'Shea is good enough in that position.
I think he's an agressive man who relies on bully boy tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
This is common to a lot of Scottish people in football and I just hate that attitude.
Well I think Ferguson has said for a long time that he though o shea would playi n the centre either had centre half or midfield, and he said that when he first came into the side.
the last point is verging on racism, Just wonder what irish people within the game are renowned for.
Ireland fans, Part time bandwagon jumpers? Never...Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Also Scottish managers have been fery successful in English football
Shankly
Busby
Ferguson
Graham
Daglish
and some others have done really good jobs
Strachan
Burley
etc.
I would rather there attitude that wins things, that some sort of John Gregory approach to football.
It may seem racist and maybe I'm racist towards Scottish people where football is concerned. I don't honestly know. They can be difficult to tolerate sometimes. When they hear you're Irish they automatically assume that you've some sort of bond and begin to slag off the English, expecting you to join in.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
In football in a list of people I don't like for one reason or another are,
Alex F
Graeme Souness
Gordon Strachan
Ally McCoist
Andy Gray doesn't do much for me either.
Where did the vast majority of the planters in the North come from Davros?Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
Well i happen to share a house with a scottish guy and I think what u are talking about is rubbish and racist nonsense. If it not allowed to sell tickets on this site, it should not be allowed to spout racist nonsense on this site either. Rilvalry in sport is healthy as long as it does not become sectarian etc. I think we have a rilvalry with the english but the Scots have a bigger one. THe problem with scotland is that in west scotland and more exactly Glasgow, they have two sets of fans, who have significant amounts of numbers who support countries that they were not born in, i.e. Celtic, -Ireland, Rangers - England.
All of the people you have mentioned are probably the most informed people about British football that are in the media etc. Strachan is a breath of fresh ariir. and Andy Gray is one of the good things about Skys coverage.
What you've done here Neil is give your opinion, just as I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Should I pretend to like Scottish people in general just to conform to the laws of PC? I've met some people from Scotland that I've liked but they were all Rangers fans who were great for a bit of banter because they didn't consider me to be their cousin. Having said that, I've met 20 times more English people that I've liked.
*Edit*
Sorry for dragging this thing off topic.
I had no intention of getting into a debate about Scottish people.
In fairness, i don't think this is racist NeilMcD. Peadar says it's common to a lot of Scots in football, he's right and to be honest I think a lot of them like to play up their no-nonsense hard man approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Look at the managers you've mentioned yourself....
Not a nice guy among them, all aggressive bully-boys if you ask me, which you back up by contrasting them with John 'nice but dim' Gregory.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
TBH Craig Brown is about the only (relatively) 'nice' Scottish manager I can think of at the moment :eek:
I just dont see what nationality has to do with it, Fair enough you dont like Ferguson, but to link it in with his nationality is madness. Maybe teh scottish people you are hanging around with or meeting are the old school celtic fans who think we have some sort of brotherhoood thing going on. but it also happens vice versa , as you will see if you pop into any irish pub during an old Firm game. Regarind people been nice etc. The fact is we see these guys through the filter that is the media, We are in no position if someone is nice etc. Some of them put up fronts to deal with the media and to protect their own interests, club, players etc. I would rather a good manager than a nice manager anyday. John Gregory has proven to be a crap manager. When his is on SKy he talks an awful amount of rubbish.
TBH Craig Brown is about the only (relatively) 'nice' Scottish manager I can think of at the moment
Same guy that was caught singing anti Celtic, sectarian songs down the phone to his 19 year old lover,
Moving this to Football General as nothing to do with National Team...
Yeah fair enough, Good move.
Scan I'm a Liverpool fan so you can never accuse me of being biased twoards Man Yoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
You are clearly far less objective than me, obviously you can't stand to praise any Man Yoo player, even if that player is from your own country.
I am not biased twoard Man Yoo, I just like to see all Irish players do well and am not afraid to admit it when they do.
Good to see Man U goin through and especially young miller getting a good start to his Utd career. Regarding the comments about the Scots in the game down south being bullies..I think ur confusing bullying with being competitive...nothing wrong with that is there...after all the name of the game is to win....unless iv missed somthing over the yrs!.As a Scot (Glaswegian of irish decent) the only thing i can take from these statements ...is jealousy ....u slag off both the scots and the english ...and especially the state of scottish football...am i missing somthing here.....when was the last time a team from the EL did well in europe (if ever) and im not slaggin u guys , but come on ..behave, after all its only a game isnt it.....one thing iv picked up on over the last few days ..is some of u "real irish men" have a large chip on the auld shoulder.....so come on and chill....and finally ..who saw the CELTIC V SPURS game on tuesday ..some good young lads coming through ..."the futures bright..BUT it aint orange !....lol.....HAIL HAIL ;)
I think EL sides have a fairly good record against the non auld - firm Scottish sides in recent years, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat-L
Don't mention the C word. :eek: They're known on here as Luton and the other lot Watford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat-L
Lopez,..ur trying to take the urine surely !...are u sayin that the moderator of this site shows a clear bias against "LUTON" ?...When i joined this site i thought it was a place to discuss football openly. Iv met thousands of irish through travelling/ buisness and socially and i can honestly say that the majority of those people were pleasant folk...when it came to football a large majority supported "LUTON" ..and MAN UTD...i take it im allowed to use that football teams name without any sort of backlash ?.....so i can only assume that the "eejits" that slag "LUTON" because of their irish links and background are not a true representative's of the irish people....and are the type of kids that would take their ball back if they wern't allowed to pick the teams at school ?...the only thing iv really got to say about this idiotic behaviour...is......thank God i support GLASGOW CELTIC FOOTBALL CLUB...its a well known fact if u dont support them u aint really irish !!!!! :D :D
Oh nearly forgot ..HAIL HAIL :D
Me taking the p*ss. Surely shome mishtake! Take a look in the rubbish bin and look at some of the threads for the past year. Maybe you might find yourself a bit disillusioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat-L
As I said before my brief soujourn in May, I'm not a Celtic, whoops Luton, fan myself (although I like the drinking that goes on before and after their matches in London which I do frequent). I would be just as p*ssed off at someone suggesting that you're not Irish for not supporting 'Luton' as I was for somone saying you're not Irish for supporting them. Before, I get another red for talking too much to the ref, I TRY to stick to Irish football now on this site although the temptation for the odd dig about my ban is too much to resist, so you'll excuse me if I discontinue this subject. As I was told before, there are other sites out there dealing with 'Luton' I could go to. ;)
Regarding Man Ure, there are many amongst us that are not au fait with Milton Keynes and Dublin's number one supported team. One poster even calls them 'the Munichs'. Personally I can't stand them even though my old man's a supporter and someone who first went to see them play when actually living in the same city that they play in. :)
:eek: :eek: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez