FAI Further Pandering to Derry: Super Cup

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...h-3031332.html

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Meanwhile, after positive soundings during the week about possible funding for the redevelopment of the Brandywell, there could be more good news for McClean's old club Derry City after Fran Gavin confirmed they may represent the Airtricity League in this year's Dublin Super Cup.
A representative side lined out in 2011, but the new organisers, Iconic, are considering going for a settled club team instead.
It would be compensation for Derry after they were refused entry to the Europa League due to the mistakes of the previous regime.

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Absolute disgrace of a decision :mad::mad:

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Originally Posted by Bohs11

Absolute disgrace of a decision :mad::mad:

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But no decision has been made.

Shamrock Rovers should be the representative team but they will most likely be unavailable at that time due to european matches.

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Originally Posted by Bohs11

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...h-3031332.html


Absolute disgrace of a decision :mad::mad:

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Why dont you give us all your explanation as to why its an absolute disgrace of a decision? Didnt it cross your mind that both Shamrock Rvs and Sligo, along with St Pats and yourselves will likely be in European action at that time? No, probaby not, typical of someone to just whinge rather than look at the possible reasons behind it

I`m not sure what the attraction is for a club to commit itself mid -season to a meaningless competition where the organisers are willing you to get knocked out asap. Will Derry get to change in a proper dressing room? Is there appearance money? I remember Derry spoiled a previous bar stool fest by beating Celtic in the semi, hopefully they can ruin the FAI`s party again
Not a bad precedent for the highest placed team of the previous season not in European competition to get an invite to this.

its actually a good call, Derry would likely outperform a select XI

I think the point the OP was making, and if so I agree, is why should Derry be compensated?

It's not how they will perform, or whether they will spoil the FAI party that's important, but why be rewarded for failing to fulfill EUFA criteria?

I said it before, it's much better off having an actual league team represent the LOI rather than a LOI XI which was a disgrace last year.
Even as a Harps fan, I'd give them full backing before I'd give a league XI full backing.
Fair play if they get into it. It will be during the mid-season break and will be a great chance to keep match fitness up whilst also giving players a chance to put themselves in the shop window for a big money move.

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

I said it before, it's much better off having an actual league team represent the LOI rather than a LOI XI which was a disgrace last year.

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

its actually a good call, Derry would likely outperform a select XI

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I'd agree with these. People complain when it's a league select because the players meet two days before the game and get hammered. Obvious solution is to invite the highest-placed non-European qualifier.

If it goes back to a LoI select the year after, then we can look at it being a disgrace.

I don't think its a bad idea to have the highest placed non euro qualifier in this, but the fact that this is compensation for being punished for cheating is ****in disgraceful.

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Originally Posted by CSFShels

I don't think its a bad idea to have the highest placed non euro qualifier in this, but the fact that this is compensation for being punished for cheating is ****in disgraceful.

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That's the point I'd like to see addressed by posters who think putting Derry in is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by CSFShels

I don't think its a bad idea to have the highest placed non euro qualifier in this, but the fact that this is compensation for being punished for cheating is ****in disgraceful.

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Originally Posted by gormacha

That's the point I'd like to see addressed by posters who think putting Derry in is a good idea.

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In complete agreement with these two points. But I'd still prefer them being in before a LOI select.

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Originally Posted by gormacha

That's the point I'd like to see addressed by posters who think putting Derry in is a good idea.

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It's straight from the LOI/FAI book on public relations.

"The FAI are to announce that the highest ranked team from last year's league will have a place in the Dublin Super Cup, depending on European commitments. This means that Derry City are likely to grab the spot if Shamrock Rovers, Sligo and St. Pats progress to later rounds of the UEFA competitions.... etc etc"

See, no worries there, fair enough idea, good to see an actual club side invovled. But, throw in the 'compensation' word and then the problems start.

Now hold on a minute, have the FAI actually mentioned compensation, or are people just diving head first into what they think just because Dan McDonnell said it in his article?

I would have thought the whole compensation thing would have been more just a passing remark by the article writer than the official FAI line...

As a Derry fan I think it's fair to say that at the club level it has similar benefits as disadvantages - prestige, match fitness, possible transfer money, experience on one hand, against extra matches mid-season, possible injuries, possibly losing our best players mid-season etc. At the league level, i dont think there is much argument in that 1 LoI team is probably a better choice than an Airtricity XI.

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Originally Posted by Aaron

Now hold on a minute, have the FAI actually mentioned compensation, or are people just diving head first into what they think just because Dan McDonnell said it in his article?

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Precisely. Someone want to dig out a quote where the FAI or Fran Gavin have said this is compensation?

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Precisely. Someone want to dig out a quote where the FAI or Fran Gavin have said this is compensation?

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So, if Derry do compete in this who-ha, they will do so without any percentage of gate receipts, TV rights, sponsorship, etc?

the FAI can't win. They actually make a good decision and people start tearing shreds out of them

They can go the whole hog, instead of a backside covering exercise. Have a proper LOI XI team that plays 4-5 matches a year against other leagues (and the Super Cup), give players exposure and reward them. It'd make it much easier for them, the organisers and most of the crowd if there was no LOI team at all. Just 4 "name" sides in for the cash and jolly up.

Clubs already stretched with a load of midweek games, they just can't fit in representative games. Shame as I always enjoyed them

If this is going ahead, it will happen on a weekend with league fixtures. So Derry will have a game postponed. Compensation will be interesting to see

Small chance for the FAI to try and piggyback some advertising for the LOI fixtures that weekend.

Don't mind Derry getting this, but there's a fair chance that most Irish Euro qualifiers would be long gone from Europe if this is August. You don't really want a situation where finishing outside the Euro places is more lucrative than qualifying

If they need advanced notice on who to select, I'd see it as a fair call to select the next team that missed out on Europe. Had Derry been in Europe, I'd have seen Bohs as the next team to take the place. Teams need to be known early for organisation of the tournament. When team are involved in Europe, it wouldn't be ideal to pick them as last years players of clubs involved were unavailable.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Clubs already stretched with a load of midweek games, they just can't fit in representative games. Shame as I always enjoyed them

If this is going ahead, it will happen on a weekend with league fixtures. So Derry will have a game postponed. Compensation will be interesting to see

Small chance for the FAI to try and piggyback some advertising for the LOI fixtures that weekend.

Don't mind Derry getting this, but there's a fair chance that most Irish Euro qualifiers would be long gone from Europe if this is August. You don't really want a situation where finishing outside the Euro places is more lucrative than qualifying

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Dodge (Real as opposed to the imposter named PartySaint :-) ) - I'd actually forgotten the packed schedule for teams. It can help the LOI (piggybacking) though I wonder what are the restrictions from the organisers?

It would be better to send a club side who are used to playing together rather than a mixed club team. Rightfully should be either the current league champs or FAI cup unless they have clashing European games. Don't mind Derry getting it but they should be getting it but not for the sole reason that they were blocked from Europa cup by UEFA as they could get more revenue for these few games as they do from europe

I don't have a problem with the next placed team not in europe getting the place. However, it's not great optics that a team that was refused a licence gets the publicity (and possibly a pay day) of taking part. Especially coming after the FAI went out of their way to help them get a UEFA licence despite them clearly being in breach of the requirements.

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Originally Posted by Macy

I don't have a problem with the next placed team not in europe getting the place. However, it's not great optics that a team that was refused a licence gets the publicity (and possibly a pay day) of taking part. Especially coming after the FAI went out of their way to help them get a UEFA licence despite them clearly being in breach of the requirements.

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I think the above is fair comment.

I've always had a soft spot for Derry, so this isn't directed at them per se, but for the UEFA ruling to be fully coherent isn't it incumbent upon the FAI to make sure that Derry don't profit in any way from a good associated with European qualification?

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Precisely. Someone want to dig out a quote where the FAI or Fran Gavin have said this is compensation?

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Yeah, it's only Daniel McDonnell saying it'd be compensation for the moment.

Given the FAI have previously had the LoI team bussed in from another ground's changing rooms, have (I think?) not paid any of the LoI players for taking part and even (it's been rumoured here) not paid insurance for the players to play in the game, it's doubtful they'll turn around and give Derry a big cheque for taking part.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Yeah, it's only Daniel McDonnell saying it'd be compensation for the moment.

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If the ruling is that the best placed team who didn't qualify for Europe should get the spot, and Derry were deemed to be ineligible for Europe for the reasons we know, then shouldn't this offer go to Bray? The word "compensation" doesn't need to come into it in order for that logic to stand up. I think...

Well, no. Derry were the best-placed team who didn't qualify for Europe. You don't a UEFA Licence to compete in the Super Cup thingy.

Have to agree with my fellow corkie. A good call by the FAI

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Originally Posted by gormacha

If the ruling is that the best placed team who didn't qualify for Europe should get the spot, and Derry were deemed to be ineligible for Europe for the reasons we know, then shouldn't this offer go to Bray? The word "compensation" doesn't need to come into it in order for that logic to stand up. I think...

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As said by others, UEFA licence isn't required for the Super Cup. It's a fair call. In terms of fixtures, it requires freeing up one weekend for that club, should be manageable. Going forward, it should be a decent incentive to chase a Super Cup spot at the very least, when missing out on Europe.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Yeah, it's only Daniel McDonnell saying it'd be compensation for the moment.

Given the FAI have previously had the LoI team bussed in from another ground's changing rooms, have (I think?) not paid any of the LoI players for taking part and even (it's been rumoured here) not paid insurance for the players to play in the game, it's doubtful they'll turn around and give Derry a big cheque for taking part.

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It's hype up season for the league so DMcD is doing his bit for the boys!

PS, not wanting to rain on your parade, but the LOI players were paid for last year. I know that the sum was doubled after some discussions, though the coaches weren't able to have a dressing room for the "home" team for the match. Disgusting, but this is what happens to the punchbags in such events. Don't know about insurance, though legally this would leave the FAI open (and the Aviva stadium people - and IRFU) open to massive costs, so I'm sure they covered it.