Don't know what bonuses they were promised but they obviously feel let down.
http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/6317/
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Don't know what bonuses they were promised but they obviously feel let down.
http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/6317/
Promised none as none in their contracts (we werent in Europe when most signed). Asked for some money as they would need time off from their jobs and had holidays booked.
Club wouldnt respond to them and unfortunatlety its come to the above. Mahon unhappy club aint doing **** about it and well aware of the above.
It would be strange in the extreme if the club simply refused to respond to the proposals. It seems from the players statement that perhaps the club did respond but not to the players satisfaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdjaC
Perhaps the club declined to get involved in discussions with the PFAI?Quote:
Following a written proposal concerning loss of earnings and European bonuses on Monday 25 July 2011 we have not received a satisfactory response from the board of St Patricks Athletic Football Club. Despite numerous requests the club has refused to get into any meaningful discussions with the players and its representatives the PFAI.
I have the feeling that things are not completely as they appear from this statement. Surely Euro bonuses were sorted out before the 2nd leg of their 3rd Euro tie?
There is no euro bonus, club wont talk to the players about one.
Club won't take 'meaningfully' about it.
Club insiders say players were told it'd be discussed after Europe.
Other club insiders say we made 319K(inc ticket sales) so far from the Euro run which was told to the players thats next years wages(way to motivate the team). We borrowed for kazaks but on the strength of UEFA monies paid in November the loan will be paid by Dec. We have 0 revenue coming from anything other than tickets and shop. We are not even bothering to looking for matchday or Euro Sponsors, we got Investec via charity from Special Ks mates. Its like a slow moving train wreck with super Euro results and ****ing awesome league performances. I reckon we have around 8 days left till we truly truly ****ed, if Pete walks then...jesus :(
Now where do i stick my head in the sand? is there a specific LOI type of sand for this or will any sand do ?
Seems unlikely!Quote:
Originally Posted by kdjaC
3 Rounds of Prize Money @ €90k plus €10k prep = €280k (which wont be seen till end of the year) plus Ticket sales (say €60k) over the 3 games.
The travel to away games must be well in excess of €100k (probably closer to €150k)
sorry man, not sure what you mean by this? Did you mean financially?Quote:
Originally Posted by kdjaC
any sand will do. The denser the sand, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdjaC
This sounds remarkably like what happened with Samara 2 years ago. They came to Dublin under a cloud and left under one too. If there is nothing in the contracts, then the club are in the right. The PFAI have nothing to talk about, though they will posture and preen and end up causing more trouble. I am certain the club will "sort out" the players in some way, though this kind of nonsense is going to put an even darker hue on the LOI.
Players are unconcerned with clubs survival only there own pocket tell them to **** off
Dissapointing that this type of crap is raising its head again (remember something similar last season at Bohs). Surely these things can be clarified BEFORE starting european campaign ? Again LOI shooting itself in the foot from a PR perspective :rolleyes:
What the hell? You signed a contract with a football club to pay football. They've upheld their end of the bargain now shut the f*** up and get on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whinging Footballers
In fairness some players are out of pocket as they had to take unpaid leave for the European games. I certainly don't want to see anyone out of pocket playing for Pats
Just the timing, and the way its been handled (by both sides) that needs questioning
I like the picture with the article - players sucking their thumbs. Seems a teensy bit appropriate.
Knew what we were doing, getting rid of all those players last year...
I get your point but doubt any contract contained the level of commitment Pats players had to face in recent weeks (Iceland, Kazaghstan, Ukraine). That is however the luck of the draw and was always possible. The PFAI (especially given the predominent part time nature of the game here) should address the problem - possibly by the FAI retaining some of the prize money to compensate verifiable loss of earnings ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
It is known that teams will play in europe and possible dates (never need more than two dates at Bohs :() so it should be possible - at club or assosiation level - to prempt this perrenial issue.
The complication there is that some players signed a contract before we knew we were in Europe. It was only in February that fingal went bust
I think all of us can understand where both sides are coming from, players are not going to simply play for the joy of playing and for a foreign adventure, they want to be paid and rightly so. However there is an element of - think yerself lucky boys. They're getting paid, will continue to get paid and this should, in most circumstances, be enough to be getting on with. What I question is the inclusion of the PFAI in all of this and the strike threat. Especially making it public. As MB mentioned, this is the LOI shooting itself in the foot (or members doing so). Yet we ask why the media looks at Irish football in a bad light.
As a representative body the PFAI leave a lot to be desired, constantly playing "catch up" on issues that have happened before. Had this issue been rasied LOI wide, or indeed at any individual club, when the season started there would be genuine sympathy for players situation. The public threat of "industrial action" less than a week before an important european game does nothing (in my opinion) to help their case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
According to the Indo article the players are considering boycotting the Karpaty match unless their demands are met.
That smells of a PFAI negotiating tactic!
Pats players are morally entitled to being compensated for unpaid leave or for holidays taken from regular jobs, and it would be only right for them to share in any financial success acheived by getting through two rounds.
Boycotting the match with all its resultant consequences is way OTT, and even as an empty threat is poor form.
The PFAI's solicitor Stuart Gilhooly is banging on on Twitter about the players being determined that the match will not go ahead unless there's an agreement.
Ezekial, if there are bonuses written in for European performance (which would be standard in many cases) then fair enough, though the club could show some goodwill. As MB says bringing in the PFAI has not improved matters. I know, MB, that the winding up order on Bohs earlier this year was something that struck close to the bone. I agreed that the players should have been paid what they were due, but the PFAI are not going about anything in a constructive matter. I just hope this finishes quickly and Pats play the game of their lives (like out in Samara) and show themselves up as the good team they are.
I hate footballers.
....... perhaps he will let the fans that travelled with Pats know where to pick up their "out of pocket" expences :o more waste of money by PFAI, paying that clown to represent them (what do they pay their full time representative for ?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
If pats are like most clubs then any cash windfall will be earmarked for creditors who have been waiting in the wings, my guess is there is nothing left for bonus payments that was never agreed in the first place
Maybe players should state before signing if they will be free (at no added expense) to play in euro competitions
Don't forget, Liverpool fanatic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
He probably knows that if they boycott the game tomorrow, they get nothing. As Ezekial said, its a scare tactic
Don't want to be out of line here, but surely boycotting the match isn't a realistic option and one that would be cutting their nose to spite their face? I mean if they get a ban in Europe, get the club a fine, lose the monies they've earned, all because of something their not contractually obliged to receive, despite being morally entitled to, then surely the club could take legal action against the players?
I'd assume so.
.. not going to happen.Players obviously feel strongly about the matter and have been marched up to the top of the hill. Pats dont appear to be moving so "nuclear option" is threatened. Doubt the players would go that far and pretty definite that FAI would be involved if it were likely/possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Still,this type of silliness should be avoided
There should be only one focus from the club, as a whole, and that is winning tomorrows tie. What a fcuken joke.
Saw that in his bio all right. Bit of an attention seeker from what I can see, likes to have his name out there and is constantly becoming chairman or president of various committees in the legal world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Mark McCadden in the Star has quoted 100k for ticket sales and sponsorship and a whopping 230k for travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Based on that, the nett profit is well under 150k rather then the 319k mentioned.
In any case the players have no case for bonuses for the first round qualification as it was last years squad who got them there
Seemed to be the main instigator in getting Shelley and Grey to issue winding up order last season aswell, was banging on about it on ****ter then aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
If Euro bonuses are standard across the league the usual bonuses should be paid imo.
I thought it was Shamrock Rovers who were the main instigator behind Shelley and Grey? Looking forward to unveiling those signings before the end of the window.
they could probably only sack them for breach of contract or something like that which would just compound the situation and is a lose/lose for Pats. There is no way they would be successful in a claim for damages against the players or something else in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
The simple fact of the matter is, as i stated not so long ago, the vast majority of players are absolute c**ts and the PFAI is willing to sink as low as necessary.
Being held to ransom is low. I feel sorry for all Pats fans in all this, except Dodge.
No such thing as standard Euro bonuses - but just watch as McGuinness tries to get that writtan into the standard player contractsQuote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
If it were up to me being in some capacity in the clubs travelling to the outer reaches of Europe I'd be asking the FAI for some sort of financial help. Which of course is madness I know but sure it only makes sense.
We blame him too, no reason just do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Its bad form from the players, they should have waited till after the euro campaign to start looking for extra few quid.
That's a pretty impressive Martin Cahill impression. Needs to thin the hair out a bit though. And maybe wear a Duffeler.