Insult to Byrne?

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29/04/2004, 9:49 AM
eoinh

Insult to Byrne?

.Isnt it a bit of an insult to Byrne to have brought him on in the 90th minute? I knew he was going to do that. It was a case of pretending to reward a LOI player? What good could he have done in injury time? It was a bit like Dolan last Friday night and we were all moaning then.

If i remember correctly the last time he brought on Crowe was in the 90th minute as well. I dont think then that Crowe even touched the ball.

All very superficial. Very Patronising and insulting to the league.

I hope Byrne made some money out of his appearance last night thought
29/04/2004, 9:52 AM
pete

Didn't see game & i'm sure not many people saw it either.

Kerr has a habit of making few substitutions at friendlies & is slow to chop the team up too much during those matches. I wouldn't see as insult to Byrne or the league but just a pointless substitution for any player.
29/04/2004, 9:54 AM
Xlex

tis a shame. I can't believe 4 poxy minutes.

Congrats Jason Byrne all the same.
29/04/2004, 9:57 AM
wws

when will people cop on???

late substitutions are an integral part of any managers strategy in the professional game - late late substitutions eat into injury time and ensure the game is played out with no danger to the score - in this case 0-0

basic professionalism 101
29/04/2004, 10:00 AM
Plastic Paddy

It's never an insult to play for one's country, no matter how long is spent on the field, but I agree that Byrne should have been given longer to show what he can do. Meself, I'd have stuck him on earlier for Alan Lee, but then I'm not the manager.

:) PP
29/04/2004, 10:08 AM
ger121

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Originally Posted by pete

Didn't see game & i'm sure not many people saw it either.

Kerr has a habit of making few substitutions at friendlies & is slow to chop the team up too much during those matches. I wouldn't see as insult to Byrne or the league but just a pointless substitution for any player.

I would have to agree there, he really hates making substitutions and he only seemed to do it last night everytime the poles had made one. He'd rather a result than to give a player a good run out. Quinn and Doyle didn't even get a game and Douglas only got about 8 mins longer than Byrne.
29/04/2004, 10:09 AM
noby

Hang on a minute.
He was a late addition to the squad, and has now trained & travelled with the senior squad, and was part of a senior match, all be it a friendly. Plus he now has a senior cap.
You can't just waltz into the team.
If he keeps up the good form in the league, then maybe next time he'll be called into the squad at an earlier stage; and then maybe he'll get a longer stint on the pitch.
There are alot of other players who have been called up to the suad and not used in friendlies, and to give him a run just because he's an eL player would be patronising.
29/04/2004, 10:14 AM
Dodge

Exactly. he was treated like any other 3rd/4th choice striker. If he didn't play in the eL people wouldn't be so insulted.

Like I've said a thousand times. Kerr doesn't treat the eL players any differently to the others. The difference between Kerr and other managers is that he knows they exist. If they're good enough, they'll get a game...
29/04/2004, 10:58 AM
max power

what dodge said sums it all up perfectly
29/04/2004, 11:01 AM
pete

Kerr also doesn't just throw players into games for the sake of it. At the Czech game he didn't bother bring on Thompson & instead played Holland at centre back cos he knew was waste of time as about 6 centre backs ahead of Thompson in pecking order.
29/04/2004, 1:47 PM
�anna

it being a friendly I think he could have given him a few more minutes, but at least he put him in the squad.
29/04/2004, 5:45 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by wws

late substitutions are an integral part of any managers strategy in the professional game - late late substitutions eat into injury time and ensure the game is played out with no danger to the score - in this case 0-0

basic professionalism 101

No it doesn't - there's (supposed to be, anyway) 30 seconds added on for each sub made. So it doesn't matter how many subs you make or how long you take in making them, the time will be added on anyway.
29/04/2004, 6:14 PM
Stevo Da Gull

Agreed

It was such an insult and i'm pis*ed off. Mainly cause it was obvious 50 mins in that the game was heading for 0-0 so it would of done no harm to give him a good 25 minute run out, allso a stoppage time sub showed that Kerr has no interset in seeing what Jayo can do for Ireland, What an insult to such a talented player who is being shunned just because he does'nt play in Englad............. Kerr just gave him a run out to make it LOOK LIKE he supports EL, and if the truth is otherwise I beg him to prove it
29/04/2004, 6:18 PM
Stevo Da Gull

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Originally Posted by Stevo Da Gull

being shunned just because he does'nt play in Englad

Maybe thats a bit too ful on actually, but I still think he deserves more than 4 minutes.
30/04/2004, 9:10 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Stevo Da Gull

Kerr just gave him a run out to make it LOOK LIKE he supports EL, and if the truth is otherwise I beg him to prove it

How about the fact that he takes in games, and actually knows who the best players in the eL are, and picks them for the squad. Personally, I think he should've got longer, but it's happened to plenty of other players in the past, and will happen again in the future. If it was some plum from Tranmere it wouldn't have raised a mention on here at all - even in the national team forum.
30/04/2004, 11:05 AM
wws

macy

read this months 4-4-2??

bit on magnier and co

ferguson will get his comeuppance (if he even lasts)
01/05/2004, 12:30 AM
pineapple stu

I presume you all think it's an insult to Michael Doyle too, coming all the way out to Poland and not getting played at all?

Byrne should be used as any other player, and not given special treatment 'cos he's an eL player.
01/05/2004, 12:41 AM
A face

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Byrne should be used as any other player, and not given special treatment 'cos he's an eL player.

I know what you are saying but four mins isn't long enough to show how good he is. And even with that, Irish players down through the years have been over looked because none looked at the league. Irish based players were done an injustice in my opinion, and there is a shortfall of a good couple of years to make it up. I know you are saying i am mad but my point is, we need players to know that if they are good enough, that the will be considered and have a chance of playing for their country. It is something to strive for over the course of the season. It gives players that extra bit of edge.
01/05/2004, 12:52 AM
pineapple stu

I think the players do know now that they will be considered if they are good enough. Crowe has been in a couple of squads, Byrne now and O'Flynn was mentioned as well, and the under-21s have several eL regular squad members. Of course domestic based players have been done over the years, but I think things are getting better here. Kerr has three of four days' training with them to decide for himself if he's good enough, and to be honest that game was never more than a training session anyway. Some of the stick Kerr has been getting on this thread has been completely unwarranted.

I'd have loved to see him on for longer too, obviously, but deep down, I think you'll have to admit that you wanted him on for longer for the extra buzz of when you see him play against you next and to make you feel better the next time he scores against you! :D
01/05/2004, 1:17 AM
A face

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

you wanted him on for longer for the extra buzz of when you see him play against you next and to make you feel better the next time he scores against you! :D

Ah ... i think you are getting the run of yourself there young man. He is still a Jackeen at the end of the day. :D
01/05/2004, 2:29 AM
RedX

Jason Byrne..

Brian Kerr called the guy into the squad and watched him first hand training with players from a higher level(much higher)..If Brian Kerr thought Byrne was ready and good enough he would have played him longer..in fairness its in Kerrs best interests also to play the BEST players..dont know why people are complaining because i am sure Jason Byrne must be delighted and fair dues to the guy for getting into the squad.. :)

One more thing..Alan Lee must be the most average player i have seen in the Ireland squad for a bit.. :confused:
04/05/2004, 9:58 AM
Roo69

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Originally Posted by eoinh

.Isnt it a bit of an insult to Byrne to have brought him on in the 90th minute? I knew he was going to do that. It was a case of pretending to reward a LOI player? What good could he have done in injury time? It was a bit like Dolan last Friday night and we were all moaning then.

If i remember correctly the last time he brought on Crowe was in the 90th minute as well. I dont think then that Crowe even touched the ball.

All very superficial. Very Patronising and insulting to the league.

I hope Byrne made some money out of his appearance last night thought

I was delighted to see him coming on ! not only for the League but for Bray as well, as Devo very cutely put an International apperance clause in his contract when selling him to Shels

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