As he's thinking of standing on an anti-immigrant platform for the european parliament. Anyone going to vote for him? :(
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As he's thinking of standing on an anti-immigrant platform for the european parliament. Anyone going to vote for him? :(
Well people vote for the McDowell and the PD's. And Noel O'Flynn got elected in Cork on essentially such a platform....Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
The Right's No to Nice figurehead, the Left stayed well clear.....
O'Flynn is a racist redneck and the fact that people in my constituency elected him sickens me. I look forward to seeing him at my door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I'm sure I speak for many when I say that my biggest worry when I voted against Nice was being on the same side of the argument as people with views such as he is alleged to have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Éanna, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but for the record you're opening yourself (and me) up to a lawsuit there.
adam
Or a justified jab at a Government that is stirring up a hornets nest in time for the elections? IMO it's opened the door for anti-immigration candidates...Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
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Originally Posted by dahamsta
I dont know about that. The irish times (if you follow the link above) has (with different language admitally) virtually said the same thing. They claim he has links with Nazi sympathisers.
What frightens me is that he might get elected!
I wouldn't worry about Barrett, I was talking more about Éanna's statement about O'Flynn. It's a very direct statement.
adam
No-one would pretend that FF/PD's are the only ones at all. I think the whole Enda "charisma" Kenny thing was just stupidity rather than racism. Its abig probelm across the spectrum really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
I edited it, but I remember seeing footage on RTE of a parade of some flags/banners of a rather dubious german nationalist persuasion which he was shown to have attended.Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
As evidenced by the quote from the Irish Times on the website A face linked to:
And just for the record, being on the same side of any argument as the likes of Youth Defence and other christo-fascists goes against everything i believe in tooQuote:
The video of the rally leaves little room for doubt as to what Germany's extreme right-wing National Democratic Party stands for.
Anti-semitic speeches are peppered with quotes from Adolf Hitler. There are claims that "Germany was the biggest victim of the second World War". Hundreds of skinheads give standing ovations to elderly Nazis.
Mr Justin Barrett, chief spokesman for the No to Nice Campaign and a leading light in Youth Defence, the anti-abortion group, is a guest of honour.
He''ll get my first preference without a doubt. I'm thinking of setting up a new political party and I am inviting him to join along with Alan Hunter the voice of Irish soccer.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
Our manifesto is will be as follows.
1. The Laws of Germany.
2. Be Nice to mammy.
3. Don't talk to commies.
4. Eat kosher salamis.
Today Leinster, Tomorrow the World!
Not pro-FF myself despite allegations but isn't Barrett an ex-Blueshirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Paddy, you have my vote! At last a political party with a sensible manifesto. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
Gabba Gabba Hey
KOH
Its times like this you worry about Proportional Representation.
We should have democr\ary for those who deserve it...*
*Those who agree somewhat with me....
HEY HO! LET'S GO!Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
I don't like democracy. I'm against it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Thats ok then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Ramone
PR is grand, it gives smaller parties a voice. We should have democracy, full stop. Unfortunately we don't have it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Besdies, you can't exclude someone from a democracy because you don't agree with their views. You can exclude them when they violate incitement to hatred laws.
Democracy doesn't work properly because it has one major flaw. It lets idiots vote, hence our government
They're not idiots, they're just coerced into voting for certain parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
Brendy,Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
How can you claim that democracy works in one sentence
and then claim that people are coerced into voting?
Surely this is a contradiction!
:confused:
Gabba gabba, we accept you, one of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
no, they're definitely idiots. they're not coerced, they're just too stupid to think for themselves and decide otherwiseQuote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Éanna was on about our 'democracy'. In a true democracy, people wouldn't be coerced.Quote:
Originally Posted by christybhoy
It's a bit insulting to call them idiots. The people who vote for FF, the PDs and your man Barrett (is there much difference between them really? ;)) do so because they've been won over by the propaganda. It's a bit hard to resist it when it's being forced upon ye constantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Éanna
I'd prefer the term 'misguided' as opposed to 'idiots'. ;)
Propaganda? Brings me back to the point I made a few weeks ago - you basically say the electorate is coerced in to voting for the other parties, because your party is incapable of getting it's message across. That's your own parties fault, not the "systems".Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Yes, the electorate are thick - when the next election comes around, people who said "never again" will still vote FF (or for their right wingers the PD's)because their great grandad/ grandad/ father always did. The major problem with Irish politics is still the fúckin Civil War.
Coming from the "Republican Party"? There's only one party that still plays on the Civil War? Having said that, I did mean to include FG in that as well, as ultimately there is little policy difference between FF and FG (a lot of moral differences IMO, but that's been done to death). The Civil War hasn't never allowed Ireland to develop a "proper" system - the two main parties aren't really that different on policy. They're both right of centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
I say the electorate is coerced into voting for parties because of advertising and constant media coverage. The CPI ultimately would like to do that, problem is FF, FG et all have tons more cash, so are better at it. As I've said before, the CPI isn't perfect, but the system is most definately stiffling the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Is that really the case? Does everyone here vote for the same parties as their parents? I know I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I don't think ye can blame the success of FF and FG on the Civil War alone. Tons, if not most, countries have had civil wars and get over them. Maybe it's harder for us because of the lack of full independence, but surely people have moved on? (I realise that I'm not in the best position to comment on attitudes of people from the south, so I'm assuming a bit here)
Brendy_eire - Have you ever been to a country that has had a communist system and asked them what they thought of it!
Go visit Romania for gods sake.
Don't want to get into this again, but there has never been a Communist country.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
Wouldn't necessarily disagree totally, but I suppose it's what has the stronger emotional pull for people. Is it their left wing tendency's, or the civil war, or a basic need for power for the sake of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
[QUOTE=brendy_éire]I don't think ye can blame the success of FF and FG on the Civil War alone. Tons, if not most, countries have had civil wars and get over them. Maybe it's harder for us because of the lack of full independence, but surely people have moved on?[QUOTE]
I would contend that most countries that have had civil war based on ethnic backgrounds still vote on those grounds. But also, a hell of a lot of civil wars are based on politics, rather than ours which was over an oath. Maybe Conor can answer why he's FF? Was it his own decision or family background? (For the record my family wouldn't be traditional Labour/left supporters)
Been reading stuff lately suggesting countries either open or closed. It just happens that most "commies" are closed. Open society would mean freedom of expression, open government etc... The USA could be said to be moving towards a closed society under Dubya.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Should be IQ test or something before people get a vote in Democracy to protect people from themselves.
To digress.....
Did anybody see the people of Mayo sticking up for Beverly Cooper Flynn. I was highly disgusted by it.
1) She was encouraging people to break the law and 2) By helping these people it meant that the ordinary joe soap had to pay more taxs because of this avoidance.
Why isnt this woman going to jail. Surely incitement to break the law should carry a jail term?
This woman is a lawmaker.
Cooper-Flynn will have to be expelled from the whole FF party, no excuses.
I think its actually good to have idiots like Barrett up for election as a good chance to expose them instead of having similar minded people hiding amoung the main political parties.
couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I call them idiots because any sane right-thinking individual can see right through FF, FG and all the other self-serving parasites in Dail Eireann
also true. If you only have the centre ground it can drift more and more to the extreme without people noticing. A minority voice on either extreme (left or right) keeps people on their toes. IMO, thats the best role for socialism to play in a democratic society- not as a viable alternative, but a "what if" that keeps the government on its toesQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
Maybe not exactly what I was thinking of. I dunno, I just think that if people see an extremist group for what it is, it puts other parties into conext and makes their decisions more informed
People will tend to vote and follow a certain party just like then follow a football team. My father took me to see City years ago, I became a City fan not because they were his team but because they became my team.
People will be brough up with values and ideals, usually from their parents/family. They will be coloured by this for the rest of their lives. Its just the way things are.
Just myself as an example. In my family one side is Labour/Anyone but FF whilst the other has been Fianna Fáil since its foundation. So I've heard contrasting ideas for years and election time in our household is always great craic. Some how over the years I've decided that FF best repersent my views, I joined the Party. Many things contribute to this, including the fact that they were part of my family tradition, but that would be one of the lesser reasons. Things like Irish Language Policy, Re-Unification of Ireland through the ballot box (without the armalite in the other hand) and certain politicians from FF who I regard as good people to speak on my behalf in the Oireachtas.
As for O'Flynn I dont like him either and a lot of people in FF hold the same view. I must look at his transfers from the last election actually, see where they went. I wonder how many went to FF.
The one thing that I don't get is why each party has such a large "core vote". I change my vote willingly at every election, depending upon how I view the parties at that moment in time. This allows me to look at each party and asses their values/policies and decide if this is what I think would be good for the country. Why doesn't everyone re-evaluate the parties at each election? WHy vote FF/FG/SF coz your grandfather did?
Just what is this "mania" you have about Emmett Stagg?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Who did he steal from?
Who did he defraud?
What offence did he commit?
I couldn't give a damn about Flynn and whether she is thrown out of a party or not. Its meaningless. I could get thrown out of the supporters club, will it stop me from going to the Cross or supporting City?
Surely the point here is why isn't there an immediate investigation into whether 2 offences were commited:
1. Perjury
2. Facilitating tax evasion.
Aren't both of these indictable offences?