Given
Kelly
Wilson
Dunne
Kilbane
McGeady
McCarthy
Whelan
Duff
Stokes
Doyle
this is the team i would start if possible. id like to see mccarthy start and stokes. bed in wilson with dunne and give him a taste of it. prob wont happen but id like to see this. problem area left back but for now kilbane will prob stay there. give kelly a run at right back. of course this is provided mccarthy is fit.
heard its....
given
kelly
mcshane
st ledger
kilbane
duff
lawrence
andrews
whelan
doyle
best
God help that defence if true.
Team confirmed by Trap. It's been a long time since Given has kept us from a hammering with a string of saves, he's going to need to do so tomorrow looking at that back 4.
stokes deserves a chance. hope he gets some game time.
That defence is going to take some battering.
McShane is the obvious weak link in the team. It's going to be a big ask for Andrews and Whelan to cover up McShane's frailties without Dunne there to help.
Shane Duffy and his family are invited to the game...........surely he could've brought his boots!!
I'm not one to question Trap's judgement but I'd nearly be inclined to give the totally unknown quantity of Greg Cunningham a run out before putting Calamity McShane in there against Brazil. How McShane is there ahead of O'Dea is beyond me. Its gonna be a long 90 mins!
Or indeed Wilson
I'm not sure I can watch Ireland anymore when McShane is playing. I constantly waiting for the next mistake & frankly its all too nerve racking.
Then its never over, even after the first mistake, I'm then waiting for the next & so on.
Agreed. I forgot Wilson. McShane is poison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
its time for Given to quit monopolising the GK position for friendlies. We need to give Westwood and Murphy some time without him whinging.
With O'Shea already out, the loss of Dunne was the worst news possible. Our back four now looks makeshift, and with St. Ledger's form dipping (Preston shipping a lot of goals in recent weeks), added to the fact that Kilbane has barely started for Hull in the last few months, we are particularly vulnerable. Kelly has been solid for Fulham, but his distribution remains a big question mark.
As for McShane... well, the last two times he started at centre-back for Ireland (v Colombia and South Africa), we kept clean sheets!!! Hope springs eternal.:rolleyes: I once hoped that McShane could mature, cut out the mistakes, and grow into a decent centre-back a la Dunne or Cunningham (who weren't really up to much until their mid-to-late 20s), but these hopes are looking more forlorn as each season passes.
Given the absence of our two most experienced defenders, I would have been happy to see Trap go to a 4-5-1, just to protect the defence - perhaps with Gibson pushing forward to support Doyle. But with Best, we're playing with two out-and-out strikers, which leaves us very flat and open. I was confident that we could stifle Brazil, and perhaps come out with one of our 'famous' friendly results (i.e. Holland 2004, Portugal 2005); but a morale-sapping defeat by three or more now looks likely. It shows just how reliant we are on O'Shea and Dunne. :(
I would have gone for a 5 man midfield with McCarthy playing off Doyle as the lone striker
wilson has been very error prone when i've seen him playQuote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
given is hardly going to offer to step aside and why should he. if he was left out to allow the others have a run i doubt he'd whinge about it thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
why do you think Kiely walked out on us last year? Cos Given threw a strop when Kiely was going to get a half against Nigeria. Trappatoni relented and gave Given the 1st half and Westwood the 2nd leaving Kiely out in the cold and he subsequently walked out on the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
As for "why should he?" - we all know what he can do, he is our #1 for the foreseeable future. Westwood and Murphy need gametime to get experience and show us what they can do in an international setting. It seems to me that Given has his mind firmly set on reaching the caps record and is relentlessly pursuing this to the detriment of our back-up keepers.
I love Given but he should take a step back and just let it go a little bit. Thats all.
I don't know why people are surprised with that team, we all should be aware of Trapp's methods thus far.
He likes to ease new players into his squad. I hope to see Wilson & Cunningham get some game time in the 2nd half (and McCarthy if fit).
What do ye make of this?
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/221-01.html
I am no fan of McShane, but replacing him with O'Dea is barely a step up
I really think this has really got to be Trapattoni's decision to make, not Given's. I really don't believe that Trapp changed the team because Shay threw a strop last year - I think Trapp has already shown that he's not too enamoured with players who don't play by his rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
A very good sign.Quote:
The captain setting an example with his attitude and commitment to the team.
great commitment by himQuote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
do you know this to be fact? i would doubt both angles on this. first, i doubt trap would put up with a "strop" from anyone and i doubt Given would throw one anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
what a class act robbie is. ruled out with an injury but links up with them last night. no one would bat an eyelid if he sat this one out and minded his knee even if it is seemingly ok now. commited totally to his country and I for one salute the man. proper irish legend.
or maybe a cap junkie like shay ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
I say keep the team we have, the only change needed is a new RB and CB. Let's put Finnan in, he's miles better than anyone else we have. McShane should be banned permanently from being within 300 yards of the squad at all times. Let's partner St. Ledger with Marc Wilson from Portsmouth.
pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
my point is that others here are slating shay for always turning up and "demanding" to play. i think you missed the sarcasmQuote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
i dont care if shay wants to play all the time, so would I and most on here if they got the chance. its up to trap to pick the team. was robbie a cap junkie when he scored in paris or bari or all the other times hes saved our bacon, or all the time shay has saved us time and again. they deserve all the praise they get IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
again, i 100% agree. read my earlier posts. it was a sarcastic pop at those slating given for hoarding the gk shirt (hence the rolling eyes!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
To call Shay or Robbie a cap junkie is a joke in fairness. To me it shows how much playing for Ireland means to them and for me that is great to see. The night in paris really showed the reinvigoration of a bond between players and fans that was sadly missing in recent years, actions like this by RK are signs of a good camp.
Despite the progress made in the last campaign, the team announced for tonight shows how weak we are for strength in depth particularly at the back. Yes Dunne and JOSH are two top class players but take them out and we look very ordinary at the back. We need to likes of St Ledger and McShane to be really solid tonight. Unfortunately every single one of that back four is very prone to error (with perhaps the exception of SL).
fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
jbyrne I think yer fighting a losing battle on this one..........woosssshhhhhh
eleven a side now saying hes out again..WTF???
I think these are the games we need to get the young players playing, but at the same time it is very important that we have a strong side out, it would be no use putting out a team of young lads and they got thrashed. That is why I beleive Trap plays as many of the full team as possible, its just as important to keep things rolling as it is to get new faces in...its a balance.
The likes of McShane, St Ledger and even McGeady are still finding their international feet, whether we like it or not they need more time, its pointless to drop them for even newer kids and then when they dont perform after 10 caps we drop them for even younger kids....they all need time...a lot of time.....
Im not McShanes biggest fan but give him more time. he is 24.
I just hope tomorrow night we can get the ball and play a little bit,
Great to see from Robbie, what a man.
Read that aswell but it is being reported nowhere else. What is going on. Fcuk sake if he is out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysing...ws.asp?n=38182
ya cant find it anywhere else either, it might be wrong. they usually have things right though. if he was fit late last night he should be ok today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
RTE sports news, latest speculation is that Robbie will start.
Robbie, missed the flight from Glasgow, last train was cancelled, got on his bike and started peddling to London.
no, i dont know it to be a fact, just a strong rumour that is supported by the media articles at the time. As i said, i love Shay and his commitment to Ireland but friendlies might be better served if we try out our less experienced players from time to time (something i presume you are disagreeing with). Thats all. It doesnt have to be made into a big deal. Thanks for not addressing the rest of my post where i went on to explain where i was coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
And LOL at your conversation with Duggie... ;) funny stuff, i hate having to explain jokes too... :)