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19/10/2009, 7:09 PM
irishbaz

French Team

Hugo Lloris V Shay Given
Julien Escude V John O Shea
Rod Fanni V Sean St Ledger
Sebastien Squillaci V Richard Dunne
Gael Clichy V Kevin Kilbane
Florent Malouda V Damian Duff
Alou Diarra V Keith Andrews
Moussa Sissoko V Glen Whelan
Thierry Henry V Aiden Mc Geady
Karim Benzema V Robbie Keane
Sidney Govou V Kevin Doyle

As a guess!! The current line up. They have an average keeper and an average defence central midfield for them could be stonger there strenght is in attack and up front but no one pulling up trees at club level!! We can do this
19/10/2009, 7:11 PM
sligofan4ever

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishbaz

Hugo Lloris V Shay Given
Julien Escude V John O Shea
Rod Fanni V Sean St Ledger
Sebastien Squillaci V Richard Dunne
Gael Clichy V Kevin Kilbane
Florent Malouda V Damian Duff
Alou Diarra V Keith Andrews
Moussa Sissoko V Glen Whelan
Thierry Henry V Aiden Mc Geady
Karim Benzema V Robbie Keane
Sidney Govou V Kenin Doyle

As a guess!! The current line up. They have an average keeper and an average defence central midfield for them could be stonger there strnght is in attack and up front but none pulling up trees at club level!! We can do this

Malouda,Benzema and Henry are the only players who'll give us any trouble. Bar Clichy, I never heard of any of the defenders or keeper. What about Evra and Ribery ? Ribery is the one player who would cause major problems for us, is he injured/suspended ?
19/10/2009, 7:13 PM
jebus

Henry probably won't make it, even if he does he won't be back at 100%
Benzema is in poor form, doesn't like playing for France at the moment either
Clichy is also in poor form

You also seem to have forgotten Ribery, but he might not make it with injury anyway
19/10/2009, 7:14 PM
irishbaz

I know that Ribery has been injured as he has a persistant knee injury!!
19/10/2009, 7:17 PM
jebus

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishbaz

I know that Ribery has been injured as he has a persistant knee injury!!

Hopefully Henry will be out too

Even looking at your line ups Henry vs McGeady stands out as being some horrible wind up
19/10/2009, 7:19 PM
centre mid

Quote:

Originally Posted by jebus

Even looking at your line ups Henry vs McGeady stands out as being some horrible wind up

Neither one tracks the other back.
19/10/2009, 7:21 PM
irishbaz

I got the line up from the last French match now from looking at the Man U website Evra was fit but not included in the squad and Gallas was on the bench!! Also Henry plays wide for france comming off the wing but its not as bad as Portugal (Deco Ronaldo and Nani etc) or a plastic pitch away in Russia
19/10/2009, 8:31 PM
ParkLife

I have to say, this gives me renewed hope. Feeling more confident now.
19/10/2009, 8:44 PM
irishultra

France is like Belgium, talented players but there is no loyalty and no bond between players. Not racist in anyway but many players probably don't really care about playing for France(same with Belgium)
19/10/2009, 8:57 PM
M@ttitude

Bafetimbi Gomis looks savage for Lyon, A Drogba type player that they might play to contend with Dunne for set pieces....
19/10/2009, 9:26 PM
IsMiseSean

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Originally Posted by irishbaz

Rod Fanni

Excellent name...:D:D:D
19/10/2009, 10:12 PM
wexfordman

france had nothing to play for in the last match against austria. bar injuries id expect their team to be

GK Loris
RB Sagna
CB Gallas
CB Abidal
LB Evra
RM Ribery
CM Lasanna Diarra
CM Gorcuff
LM Malouda
CF Henry
CF Benzema

a lot better than the team named above but still dodgy at set plays and will not enjoy playing with the burden of a nation demanding world cup qualification, fickle fans and an erratic manager.
19/10/2009, 11:15 PM
ChemicalBrother

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Originally Posted by wexfordman

france had nothing to play for in the last match against austria. bar injuries id expect their team to be

GK Loris
RB Sagna
CB Gallas
CB Abidal
LB Evra
RM Ribery
CM Lasanna Diarra
CM Gorcuff
LM Malouda
CF Henry
CF Benzema

a lot better than the team named above but still dodgy at set plays and will not enjoy playing with the burden of a nation demanding world cup qualification, fickle fans and an erratic manager.

It will be a similar team to that but Toulalan will play - they play two DMs also, he will probably take Malouda's place, the attack will be similar, Gignac might start instead of Benzema
20/10/2009, 12:05 AM
Murfinator

If Henry and Ribery were out I'd feel a lot better about this....but I have a feeling they'll both recover in time. :rolleyes:
20/10/2009, 7:41 AM
Reality Bites

What kind of injuries does Ribery and Henry have?
20/10/2009, 8:05 AM
bennocelt

Hugo Lloris V Shay Given
Julien Escude V John O Shea
Rod Fanni V Sean St Ledger
Sebastien Squillaci V Richard Dunne
Gael Clichy V Kevin Kilbane
Florent Malouda V Damian Duff
Alou Diarra V Keith Andrews
Moussa Sissoko V Glen Whelan
Thierry Henry V Aiden Mc Geady
Karim Benzema V Robbie Keane
Sidney Govou V Kevin Doyle

a draw then!:)
Ribery and Evra?
20/10/2009, 9:08 AM
magnumpi

Ribery had tendonitis in his left knee but should be back for the play-offs.
20/10/2009, 10:15 AM
SuperDave

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Originally Posted by irishbaz

I got the line up from the last French match now from looking at the Man U website Evra was fit but not included in the squad and Gallas was on the bench!! Also Henry plays wide for france comming off the wing but its not as bad as Portugal (Deco Ronaldo and Nani etc) or a plastic pitch away in Russia

Gallas was on the bench because he is one yellow away

Same for Evra

Gallas, Evra, Abidal, Sagna and Gourcuff
20/10/2009, 10:19 AM
Stuttgart88

I really don't rate Abidal at all. Don't know how he's at Barcelona.
20/10/2009, 10:39 AM
Leeside Swagger

Concern over Rib�ry

Thursday brought less positive news of Franck Rib�ry, Robben�s counterpart on the left flank. The France star is out of contention for an indefinite period, Van Gaal announced. �I�ve brought him on as a sub and I�ve started with him, but the injury�s always flared up again afterwards. We�ve agreed he needs to rid himself of the injury completely before we start working with him again,� the coach said.

Since the start of pre-season in July, Rib�ry has been troubled by a persistent and painful inflammation affecting a tendon attached to the left kneecap. After a first attempt at a comeback as a substitute against Werder Bremen on Matchday 2, the Frenchman sat out the following week�s trip to Mainz, before another substitute appearance in the 3-0 victory over Wolfsburg. Rib�ry started the most recent match at home to K�ln, but had to come off at the interval.

�Franck also needs to build up his physique. The muscles in his injured leg are less well developed than those in the good one,� explained Van Gaal, �and that�s not good. It means the physical demands on his body are unbalanced. It�s very hard to work with tendon problems.� The medical unit would now need to devise the right blend of treatment and sports rehab exercise, the coach summarised.

http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/en/new...1a0dd7bf1c9eeb
20/10/2009, 10:41 AM
Leeside Swagger

Article is from last Thursday but it doesnt sound too good for him, we need the French to be missing a few big names to give us a chance.
20/10/2009, 11:36 AM
Closed Account 2

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Originally Posted by M@ttitude

Bafetimbi Gomis looks savage for Lyon, A Drogba type player that they might play to contend with Dunne for set pieces....

Gomis is an above average player, but he's no where near as good at Drogba, he'll miss 2 in 3 chances. From what I've seen of him this season I'd compare him to Michael Owen on current form (obv. he's slightly better in the air, but not much given his size) - we've faced much better strikers in the group stage.
20/10/2009, 9:56 PM
geysir

Both Gomis and Govou were playing for Lyon, teamed up well for the winner.
Govou maybe did one thing well before that when he came inside in the 2nd half, the rest of his activity out wide made no impact.
I am feeling 0.5% more confident.
21/10/2009, 12:00 AM
irishfan86

Quote:

Originally Posted by geysir

Both Gomis and Govou were playing for Lyon, teamed up well for the winner.
Govou maybe did one thing well before that when he came inside in the 2nd half, the rest of his activity out wide made no impact.
I am feeling 0.5% more confident.

In fairness, doing nothing all game and having one moment of brilliance is preferable than looking dangerous all game and doing nothing.

Take Duff and McGeady for example. Duff doesn't always look lively for us, but always comes up with the goods. McGeady on the other hand always looks dangerous, but when it comes to actually making an impact, it doesn't happen.

If you watched one game of McGeady's you'd think he was one of the best players in the world who just had an off day and just missed a few chances.
21/10/2009, 11:27 AM
geysir

The Lyon goal was well taken, but wasn't brilliant considering the defense.
I'd take a fit Duff over Govou, any day, any game, everytime.
McGeady has many qualities above Govou.

If Govou plays instead of Ribery, the French as an attacking force has weakened.
21/10/2009, 11:50 AM
Emmet7

Benzima has been reduced to a bit player at Real Madrid. Ribery apparantly has injury problems and may not even play. Is Henry the same player he was 5 years ago? Lost some of his pace I'd say.

Anelka can blow hot and cold for the national team. And without Drogba and Lampard to put the ball on a plate for him, I'd say his chances will be few.

The rest of the team seem to be mere "water carriers" as Cantona would say.
21/10/2009, 11:58 AM
Leeside Swagger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Is Henry the same player he was 5 years ago?Lost some of his pace I'd say.

He was fairy sh*t hot last year as well. The goal he got against us in 2005 had nothing to do with pace either, he's still one of the most dangerous strikers in world football imo.
21/10/2009, 12:07 PM
Reality Bites

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmet7

Benzima has been reduced to a bit player at Real Madrid. Ribery apparantly has injury problems and may not even play. Is Henry the same player he was 5 years ago? Lost some of his pace I'd say.

Anelka can blow hot and cold for the national team. And without Drogba and Lampard to put the ball on a plate for him, I'd say his chances will be few.

The rest of the team seem to be mere "water carriers" as Cantona would say.

Over optimistic dismissal of French Squad, our real advantage lies only in a superior manager and connected team spirit.. lets hope its enough
21/10/2009, 2:52 PM
frenchman

agree with realitybites on that one...on paper there is not even any point turning up for the game as they are miles ahead of us on all fronts.even a french B team would whip us (or give us a very very very good game) on paper BUT football is not about that. it's a game made of ''what if''s. if we take the italy game (two legs) for example..
so we go out 3-3 on away goals.
1 but we were inches away from winning 3-2
2 if keane hadn't hit the crossbar in bari but scored.....
3 if they hadn't played with 10 men for the whole game , we'd have lost......
4 if pazzini thought he was playing against a player from andorra maybe he wouldn't have jumped in the same way.
I could go on forever, but all these things didn't happen and you can't just take one of them away from the equation and say we would have won or lost.
time will tell and only after the second leg in Paris will we find out.....
what we can do is try to study the two teams and the possibile impact of differetn decisions/injuries on the fixtures.
As far as I've read not one post talks about yoann gourcuff who is their new zidane.the team is still in construction and I'd prefer to meet them now and not in 2 ou 3 years time as I think the current generation is (potentially) on par with the zidane team.
I think a lot of irish people would consider roy keane to be the best irish player in recent times but when you talk to french people about him they talk about his ''fighting spirit'' qualities more so than his passing ability.
as much as we huff and puff about our best players..we just don't have a zidane , gourcuff, henry, ribery.
what we do have is a good team unit who play well together.
in one position shay given we have possibily one of the best (by best I mean top 10) in the world but apart from that we have robbie keane and richard dunne who are good premiership players but again not the best in the world (or one of the best) at what they do. despite this I still think that we can win over the two legs as football (like life) is made of upsets.
if we keep france scoreless in dublin we have a very good chance of going through......... the best thing for france to do is to go for an all out attack in Dublin and we don't have a chance.......if not who knows?
21/10/2009, 10:12 PM
irishultra

for the record keanes biggest trait was his fighting ability and just because he didn't do hollywood passes didn't mean he wasn't a good passer. he was like a playmaker and he had to be especially when scholes was basically just a goal scoring central midfielder who didn't really dictate matches like he began to later(03-)
22/10/2009, 9:10 AM
Breizhatao

Gourcuff is the no. 1 threat indeed although he is not at the top of his form and missed his 'Panenka' against FC Bayern last night. He is technically brilliant and do not hesitate to shoot from far range (his goal in Romania). Up front, Gignac is the main threat with Henry. The second Breton player Toulalan looks like being the keyman of the defense now. [Sad to see this these Breton Celts having to wear the blue of that country rather than the black of Brittany].
22/10/2009, 9:42 AM
dynamo kerry

does anyone think it fair to say it could be a battle of their attack v our defence that will decide it.

our attack v their defence is kinda 50:50. So if our defence plays well we have every chance of actually winning the game decisively.

I've a feeling it will be a scrappy 1-0 in dublin with a toe poke by keane to knock it over the line from 2 yards while in france I can really see us getting a 0-0.
22/10/2009, 1:50 PM
frenchman

maybe it's the camera angle but I think the wide pitch in Dublin will kill us, sagna, evra or the pornstar rod fanni would tear us apart, so I'd be quite happy with a 0-0 in dublin and a 1-1 in Paris.
Not really sure about gignac. I think hes a good player and liked the way he has worked his way to stardom but I'm not sure you can leave benzema, benzema and henry on the bench come crunchtime.
only time will tell what raymond throws us up in terms of starting eleven but I wouldn't really fear gomis or gignac against dunne.
22/10/2009, 2:14 PM
SkStu

In my opinion, with each passing day, the scene is being set for Ireland to end their century long streak of games without an away win against top class opposition.

We will do it. Deliverance will be ours!
22/10/2009, 2:14 PM
SuperDave

Gourcuff may not be a dangerman in the second leg like some suggest. If we can frustrate him in Dublin and get him booked he will miss the second leg as he is already on a yellow.

Unless of course SuperSepp changes the rules again.
22/10/2009, 2:28 PM
paul_oshea

i thought they were cleared according to what some were saying?!
22/10/2009, 2:36 PM
blobbyblob

I hate this talking up a lad Ive never heard of

Same happened with Yossi Benayoun with Israel and he made my life a misery

<sticks fingers in ears> LALALALA